IRA

they were worse, unequivocally and undebatably worse you dumb fucking anglo.

I love how Brits think they're more informed about Northern Ireland than Americans when they're usually just as ignorant and even more happy to chime in on it.

They always fucking do this thing where they go "haha it appears all you stupid fucking Americans think the IRA are good, but they're TERRORISTS", trivialising support for the IRA by conflating it with ignorant Americans. As if the IRA wasn't always supported by the Catholic working class in the North.

I don't know much about the situation but I know that the UVF is now little more than glorified gangsters, running drugs, annoying police and murdering anyone who looks at them funny.

When comparing the provos and red handers, it is pretty much measuring piss: at the end of the day it is all piss.

No I am just tired of Americans idolising them without actually seeing what they did: how does something like Bishopsgate further class struggle?

They were also supported by the american bourgeoisie, also

It doesn't, however class struggle is not the only thing there is. There's also the fact that we were being brutalized and discriminated against by the British government. Were it not for the IRA's armed campaign we probably still would be just like black people are in America.

It was not a socialist revolution, it was not a protest against a bad government. It was a war against an occupying imperialist power that the UK started, and in classical British fashion they still seem to be under the impression that their colonial subjects should just grit their teeth and take it. Even supposedly left-wing Brits seem to be disproportionately upset at IRA bombings in England than at British atrocities in Ireland.

Well let's see: Birmingham was a rouge operative, denied and then denounced by main organisation. Targeting civilians was not IRA strategy. Classing the Isle of Dogs as a working class area in 1996 is laughable, literally the most porky section of the country. Also both this and the Manchester bombing share characteristics - a warning was phoned in beforehand. The intention of these bombings was to cause massive property damage to business centres with as few casualties as possible. And they worked. Honestly couldn't think of many terrorist groups who take such care not to kill civilians. Funny how you have a YPG flag an all, considering the affiliated PKK are much more bloodthirsty than the IRA ever were.

For starters must leftwing brits tend to be IRA apologists. Secondly, if the IRA actually did go around defending their communities, arming themselves, going full EZLN: I would have no issue with them. Instead their praxis was blowing up post offices because that will set the irish people free!

Also this myth that every single briton is some colonialist that wants to prop up their feet on the back of someone that is irish is so toxic it hurts peace, not helps it. The people of britain would have stood with the irish if the IRA had not carried out bomb attacks on the mainland. The IRA made it a conflict between the Irish s the British, rather than the one it should have been: the people vs the elites. You have to remember there were protestants at Bogside.

Oh right, anti-prole terrorism is fine if it has a human face. Doesn't change the fact they turned a struggle that would have seen the working class stood in solidarity with them against porky into one of national conflict that alienated the sympathetic protestant community that stood with them at Bogside.

And
I see you there Erdogan.

Except, as I've said it literally wasn't "anti-prole" because they went to great lengths to not kill innocents. And I'm talking about mainstream org. here - not post deal offshoots etc.
Its precisely because I'm not an Erdogan shill that you don't need to hold up the ludicrous fantasy that there is no connection between the groups.
What, you think them sharing the same extremely obscure hipster ideology is coincidence? Like Kurds are just born with knowledge of the works of fucking Murray Bookchin?

d-do you know anything about the troubles?
Or does your entire knowledge of this come from the BBC?
Pic related the majority of people killed by the IRA were British security forces.

Here's the thing, in case you are too thick to notice when I said the following
I was making thinly veiled insults at you. These criticisms are specifically targetted at you and the kind of Brit that regularly pops up in Holla Forums IRA threads. It's a mockery of the idea that many British socialists have that peoples who are on the receiving end of British imperialism should not actually fight back against Britain, they should just sing kumbaya and wait for unity with the British proletariat to save them. Only that doesn't work, even if they're perfectly peaceful and don't kill a single civilian the only information people on the British mainland will ever actually get about it is what the BBC tells them, and you can be assured on that basis they will be just as outraged at "property destruction" and police deaths as many of them already are. It was never going to be "the people vs the elites", the British have a seemingly indestructible solidarity with their own elites and the British people in Northern Ireland is a testament to that. The people of Britain were never going to stand with us, 90% of them have always been against of us and with their imperialist army. And it's quite right that the IRA started sending some violence back where it came from rather than confining the war to Ireland.

It's like saying in South Africa they should have just waiting for the Boer proles to join in solidarity with them rather than just refusing to face the brutality the government brought down on them by any means necessary.

The British government made it Irish vs. British the moment they singled us out for being Irish. All the IRA are guilty of is being the only people willing to defend us from them.

I know I have far more to thank the IRA in this respect than I have for the people of Britain.

oh hey it's the daily mail

So is the PIRA afaik

The Erdogan thing was a joke, and they killed plenty of civilians in both GB and NI: the graph of the post below proves that.

That's more people than the BSF killed combined yet the IRA are the "good guys(tm)"

Also I am the one falling for propaganda, yet the British are suddenly all imperialists that want to subjugate the irish people? Also I love that the BBC is now some boogyman that had it out for the irish people.

And you say there never would have been solidarity between the british people and the northern irish, yet you then bring up apartheid South Africa: a struggle that the british people were very much supportive of. One that brought people into the streets, saw mass demonstrations against the support of the boer regime, one that had pickets of South African embassies and consulates (one of the most famous being the SA consulate in Glasgow). Solidarity between the people of NI and Great Britain was out there, but the IRA turned a civil rights conflict (one that many in NI on the protestant side were supportive of) into a nationalist one.

I mean tell me that there are sectors of the british hard left that aren't IRA apologists. Also the narrative I speak of is espoused in the post above.

At the end of the day, there are a lot of people that unironically wank them off for some pretend link to any proper stream of leftism.

Correction: One the British people totally ignored until it became trendy because the celebrities signed on. And then they spent the next 30 years congratulating themselves as if there was no struggle within South Africa itself, all the while ignoring the exact same shit going on in Israel. Great job guys!
t. Brit.
What sort of fucking progressive in the UK actually has a favourable opinion of this nation?

Who said anything about good guys? I'm telling you that there's more to the IRA's campaign than just bombing post offices, as you can see in the attached chart.

Are you even reading my posts? Because I never said that. I said British people, even the supposedly anti-imperialist ones, expect people subjugated by British imperialism to not put up a fight. Which is largely true, as seen with yourself. Not that they are imperialists themselves.

My god. The liberalism. Yes, user, peaceful protesting is what brought down apatheid South Africa - not the Umkhonto we Sizwe's armed campaign. We all know that we should make peace not war and that if you protest loud enough eventually oppressors will grow a conscience and stop.

And here's the thing about peaceful protesting. We tried that first - and then the British government shot at us. And the IRA shot back as they were right to.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloody_Sunday_(1972)

What should we have done? Let them throw us in jail for dubious reasons, let them stop us from voting, let them beat us and kill us? I don't think so.

To this day Brits are extremely ignorant of the crimes their government committed in Ireland. It's absolutely infuriating when they turn around and act like we're in the wrong for defending ourselves when in all of history they have done exactly FUCKING NOTHING to stop their own government exploiting and brutalizing the people of the world. And you act like we should have depended on these people and their "solidarity" to save us? For hundreds of years the British government has been getting away with this and every single time the people of Britain sat on their hands and let it happen.

You know what fuck the 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧Brits🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧 the IRA killed, I'm not even going to try and convince you anymore. It's useless. In Northern Ireland we have better lives now that the IRA killed all the people they killed, and that's what matters. Just like in South Africa, just like in Algeria, just like in Kurdistan. If you're ever going to get any justice you can't depend on pandering for sympathizers, you have to take it.

First off the IRA was primarily a NatLib org that included people from across the political spectrum, so expecting them to act like communist revolutionaries is silly. At the same time, it doesn't make them reactionary since many prominent members were socialists and they supported many progressive causes. As far as bombings were concerned, they primarily targeted British security forces as well as reactionary UVF cells. If you have proles fighting for imperialism then there is no reason to not fight them.

youtube.com/watch?v=t8HCwLPoG70
UP THE RA

The IRA are fucking shitheels.

But Come out Ye Black and tans is a banger

face it lad, the IRA lost. The provos are long gone, the PIRA are a bad joke and Sinn Fein won't even take their seats in parliament.

t.:

Well they started abstention-ism in 1908 as they view the UK parliament as a foreign power that would require them to swear fealty to ideals and systems they fundamentally disagree with.
I don't understand, why do you think they should take their seats now after all this time and go against all their values?
And don't get me wrong, i have my problems with them but they've been pretty successful the past two elections effectively eating their centrist opposition and bringing down Stormont while maintaining support from their electorate, seems pretty successful to me and a natural way to move the Irish unity movement forward.

IRA STILL NEVER EVER

the eternal anglo strikes again

Kinda missing that it's a two part thing,. One: They don't think the british parliament should have any say over any part of ireland, so they refuse to take parts on that ground, you brought this up, but also 2: they don't think that the irish should have any say over great britain and refuse to take part on that ground.

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I want a 32 county ethno-state for the Irish. We should be a united country and people. But Sinn Shite is only concerned about a united Ireland and not the Irish people as an ethnicity. Fucking sucks.

So in that sense the Provisional IRA is like the Zapatistas? According to Marcos the problem was not having indigenous voices and concerns heard by the Mexican government and the big landowners in Chiapas.

Face it worker, the commies lost. The unions are long gone, the IWW are a bad joke and the US won't even take a socdem as president.

Eat shit.

Convincing argument if I ever saw one

I hate to be the one to tell you this but the provisional IRA doesn't exist anymore. Their successor organisation (if you can even call them that) is the real IRA who are just gangsters wearing a republican mask.

Most Irish people don't even live in Ireland, you retard.

And?
That has fuck all to do with anything, you retard.

If you are trying to imply that we are not an ethnicity, well the fact you said:
Is contradictory.

What in the fuck is wrong with you? Are you a brit or something?