What is the revolutionary potential of Africa...

What is the revolutionary potential of Africa? Could a leftist United States of Africa help build socialism around the world?

It's just gonna turn into a USSR 2: Return of being too poor

If it does happen and a People's Republic of Africa happens it's literally too poor to do shit. It's gonna have to do what the USSR did and start building itself up while Porky goes looking for other resources outside of Africa so they can't do a "surprise bitch" invasion of the USA. Leading into another cold war which I have a good feeling would probably lead to economic collapse similar to the USSR. Unless it does a full 3rd world funding it and cuts off ALL of Porky's supplies outside of the first world and America it's not gonna do anything helpful and only create a Second Cold War

Unless they have a Thomas Sankara 2.0 I don't have much hope.

A united socialist Africa would be very good at kicking out colonialism once and for all

Africa is too poor and unstable to create United States of Africa.

Africa is literally the most diverse continent. If revolution happened anywhere there it'd be in certain parts, not the whole thing. Uniting Africa is more of a reach than uniting the rest of the world combined.

You could say the same about Russia.

This is far less likely than anywhere else in the world, except possibly Asia. This is a continent of 1.2 billion people, spread over more than 30 million square kilometers, with more than 3000 ethnic groups and over 2000 languages. They are also the most genetically diverse people on any continent, not that this is specifically important, but it makes a point of how trying to homogenize it as a concept is ridiculous.
There may be potential for revolution parts of it, but to try and create some kind of solid, homogeneous concept out of it is absurd.

I mean, I fucking wish. Wont ever happen though, not in the next 100 years at least. If Yugoslavia could be undermined by foreign influence stoking nationalism what do you think would happen to an entire continent of the same kind of intense nationalisms and religious fervor? No chance. One or a few African countries, for sure. An evenly moderately capable United Socialist Congo would make imperialists shit themselves and probably make them immedietely overthrow and undermine it.

this, im glad to see some of you have any sense

Right now most of them are lumpenproles. Happy just to have a wife, a couple kids and communal meals of bush meat and traditionally brewed alcohol with the village. The ones who're relatively well off are more class conscious though cuz they're able to get an education and access all the forbidden knowledge of people's struggle in fancy libraries and on the internet.

If aid workers would hand out Mao's Little Red Book like they hand out the leftover rags that westerners don't wanna wear no more Africa would be red by now.

nah maybe in 3 - 5 major state
like north africa union or in part of Arabe Socialiste republic™

also
WORLD SOCIALIST REPUBLIC

If christians can spread homophobia in Africa, lefties can spread class-consciousness.

Well I mean, trying to lump them together because of skin colour - you might as well include India and Australian-Aborigines in the federation.
And if it is based on geography - why not a united Afro-Euro-Asia? Or a North and South American federation?
It's not based on any logic.

I don't think it's just about skin color. North africans look very different from sub-saharan africans. I think it's more about seeing this cohesive shape on a map based on the contrast of land and sea. Africa as a continent does form a physical whole in that sense. The more direct problem is that those maps don't accurately portray natural barriers that separate people and cause them to develop separately from each other. The big one is obviously the Sahara, like I mentioned.

Africa is fucking gigantic and diverse as fuck. Youre not going to have a united africa. The only reason russia was captured at once is because half of it is fucking empty and it was already a whole.

Nah Russia is doing much better than Africa. Africa can't iron the civil wars out properly cause they can't control everything.

Physical appearance doesnt work at all either. People across Africa look entirely different

This, but unironically

You need Feudalism, then Capitalism before Communism
Most of Africa has achieved neither

I wasn't being ironic.

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I know, but some people may think it was a joke

Except this has literally never happened and historical evidence implies that a socialist construction can create a material basis for socialism. Historical Materialism is a descriptive, not a prescriptive concept my dude.

Also, please be aware of how capitalism works. For capitalism to build up a country you need primitive accumulation by the national bourgeoisie, this doesn't happen in global capitalism anymore because foreign powers extract more wealth out of Africa than investing in it and a local bourgeoisie is almost non-existent. You need national liberation first. Most Marxists are too caught up in outdated 19th century thought.

What happens once the local bourgeoisie everywhere have accumulated enough to make the world roughly equal in the term of input and output?

The only way for an United Socialist States of Africa to be able to not collapse and be built into something successful is for at the same time a big chunk of the west become socialist. Than that socialist chunk of the west to prop up the United Socialist States of Africa on something similar to a Martial Plan times 10.

The real class struggle begins. Remember that capitalism is so fucking full of contradictions that it can not smoothly function without someone, somewhere getting massively fucked over, and the First World can finally have a revolution because they can't pacify their proletariat with gibsmedat from imperialist exploitation anymore.

What exactly do Africans have in common besides living on the same giant continent and being buttfucked by imperialism?

This sounds pretty armchairly.

hurr durr they're all black, live in huts and have aids.

Why though? There are plenty of Third World liberation movements going on right now that you can support and you can propagate anti-imperialism in your home countries. I also don't argue not to fight for revolution in your home country, I fully support western communist parties. Why is it always one or the other? All struggles are connected. Dogmatic Third Worldists are just as bad as dogmatic First Worldists. The Roo for example is totally overdoing it with his Third Worldism but he is also barely representative for the MTW I've met who don't ever tell people to do nothing.

The sad thing is I have heard Leftcoms talk exactly like this.

Africa doesn't have much potential in itself, but we can use the ever growing number of Africans migrating into Western countries as a tool to overthrow the existing capitalist order and maneuver ourselves in a position of permanent political power over the new Euro-African masses.

Lolwut? My family lived in a feudalist society right up till the end of The Anglo-Ashanti War. Feudalism was the economic system for pretty much every agricultural society in Africa for a couple thousand years.

The whole world hates Africans just cuz "niggers lol". They band together against a common enemy, the racists that hate black people even if they're tens of thousands of miles away on another continent.

Africa has tons of revolutionary potential, but there's the issue of ethno-nationalist-religious conflicts and how porky loves to use it to break up movements.

Looking at Africa right now, I highly doubt it will be able to turn into a mega state any time soon. Imperialists everywhere want a piece of that cake and are willing to kill and bomb for it.

There would have to be a major international war that would reduce the imperialists capacity to deal with too many war fronts. Just like Napoleonic wars led to lots of colonial independences, and afterwards ww1 / ww2 led to more revolutions. Mass African liberation probably requires / would lead to ww3.


Yes, some basic education would go a long way, and it is the task of the petit bourgs that turn red to do it.


Don't spook yourself comrade. There's millions of people that aren't racist and have nothing against Africans. Not saying the fight against racism is illegitimate though.

I'm not some post-colonial nerd but wew lad

Ask the Che.

It's both you dumb shit

No.

Every time.