what happened to Venezuela?
What happened to Venezuela?
Aaron Brooks
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Eli Perez
OIl crisis fam instead of IMF loans they went for printing money. Printing money lead to inflation, sht went tits up.
Cooper Russell
Bourgeois Rosa-killers vs bourgeois wannabe-porkies
Carson Williams
heavy inflation, unwise oil policy, exacerbated by long term embargo
Jayden James
Doing protectionist social democracy under the red banner after the year 1970.
Carson Kelly
Mostly nothing
People over there say all the press keeps exagerating the problem because they want to sell an image of destabilization to turn Venezuela into the next Syria
There's an economical crisis and the oposition is killing random people at Caracas (te capital) but is not escalatiing into a "civil war" as CIA&friends wanted to
After this month, when the next referendum passes, it should calm down
Gabriel Lewis
[citation needed]
Nathan Ramirez
socialists putting their trust in bourgeois democracy, CIA sabotage, internal sabotage and the socialists putting all their eggs in one basket. I have met with the Venezuelan ambassador on two occasions and my party is in constant contact with Venezuela's party, as well as our members having traveled there last year. The socialists fucked up but they are 25% at blame at worst, they are getting shafted really hard and all these saloon socialist goons pissing on them don't have half the picture. Their biggest fault is that they took no measures to prevent any of this against them.
Brody Williams
Who has the other 75%?
Wyatt Ross
There are multiple countries that are also undergoing political crises way worse than Venezuela, but don't even get half the news coverage. Why? Because the government doesn't identify as socialist.
Dominic Ortiz
Can you name some of them?
Venezuela gets attention because of things like the extreme poverty rate going from 11% to 50% in 2 years.
Angel Jenkins
As shitty as market socialism is, would you still defend the Bolivarian revolution?
William Richardson
Last year colombia, the country next to venezuela had a drought and almost had a nation wide blackout, some regions suffered an armed strike from mobsters, that means a a curfew imposed by an illegal organization and the police and the army were powerless against it. this year there was a civic strike on the pacific coast because they have almost no public services and a teachers strike for lack of budget to do anything but you don't hear about that on the news
Also like 20 human rights activists and union leaders have been killed in the last 12 months
Adam Lewis
It could be because Colombia has basically been in a civil war since the 60s while Venezuela has had less infighting.
Blake Edwards
This is Venezuela pretty much every year, and nobody reports on that either.
All of those have been reported on, but they get less attention from people, probably because of something like .
Nolan Hall
Farmer strikes are not related to civil wars
Droughts and energy crisis are not common and very much worth reporting
Levi Edwards
The USA has been creating false scarcity since late 2015, by giving CIA agents millions to buy small businesses and stores, then refusing to circulate any sort of goods and thus making purposefully empty stores. Much of the economy is still privatized since the socialists didn't get into power by revolutionary means but by election, and if they infringed on the "rights" of the corporations the NATO pact would have an excuse for a direct intervention. Since 2011 millions of euros have been funneled into Venezuelan reactionary movements which amount to neo-nazis and football hooligans organized by the mob. The masses of people protesting against the government are not fake but their organizers are coordinated by american agents, it only takes 10 people, you don't need more. The oil deflation was engineered to devalue Russian oil to make them weak during the conflict in Crimea, but as a secondary thing that happened (of course intentionally) was that Venezuela's economy got crippled because they were funding and building all of their programs on the profits from their nationalized oil. The Venezuelan government worked trough the parliament the entire time it was in power, and due to this they were very very restricted in what they could do against this and did very little to counteract this attack on their country. This is what I blame them for, they refuse to diverge from parliament politics and they have gotten shafted for it, but at the same time there might have been an intervention had they done that.
So to summarize, the Venezuelan government is guilty of not going beyond bourgeois politics to protect their progressive project, for not building up more industry (they however reinvigorated agriculture) and due to being so reliant on oil. BUT if they stood alone on this and weren't under constant attack by sabotage they could've built up Venezuela without issues, they were under constant attacks and sabotage. I feel very sorry for what is happening.
Connor Thompson
socdem, not even once
Ryan Edwards
venezuela > yugoslavia
still defending both against US imperialism, despite favoring a new government without the current leading party, if they dont start getting their shit together
Luke Young
Source?
Logan Edwards
You said a lot of shit but I'm not seeing any sources. I have to remark, and I should not need to do on this board, that the PSUV has been a bourgeois party for very long. Even the PCV has succumbed to opportunism.
Camden Perez
they bankrupted a gas station
John Foster
Brandon Perry
I'm telling you this from the horses mouth, but I understand if you don't believe me, I just ask that you consider what I am telling you. I haven't done great research on the situation because I have been to many IRL presentations on this, and as I trough my parties contacts with Venezuela. Here are a few things I found right now by searching google that links up to what I was talking about:
workers.org
telesurtv.net
mintpressnews.com
watch these two videos, it can sum it up better than the links above:
youtube.com
youtube.com
ESPECIALLY the first one.
I am not arguing that Venezuela is a socialist state, I am saying it is progressive even beyond social democracy and it is why it should be supported.
Nolan Lee
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Christopher Howard
You think I don't know or something?
Thomas Powell
nice argument there, really refutes what I posted.
Lucas Peterson
Your sources are as good as toilet paper. Can you give me better ones?
Connor Sullivan
can you give me sources that say otherwise? If you provide me better sources and evidence I will concede.
Camden Hall
Sources that say that the US doesn't fund neo-nazi groups? Come on.
Eli Gomez
sources that the government is behind everything that is happening in Venezuela.
I am almost 100% sure at this point that you are nothing but some kind of USA shill, the USA could not be more transparent in it's previous involvements in south america, most prominently with the fucking banana coup. Somehow Venezuela is suddenly exceptional to this somehow? What about the nazis in Azov?
Jaxson Stewart
This is the only answer. I don't care if their government was "socialist" or not, they were fucking morons and invested all of their economy in their shitty oil while the prices where high. Prices fell, country fell.
Joshua Taylor
Yeah, because that's very different.
Proving that something doesn't exist is a lot harder than proving that something exists. You're the accuser here, show me some sources that don't tell obvious lies on the first few paragraphs.
Noah Lopez
And what are these obvious lies? What the fuck are you even doing here, blatantly protecting the USA as if they have no involvement here? You state my information is false, yet you can't refute it, so your word is worthless. Even Snowden released information on Venezuela being one of the USA's top competitors due to it's geographic and political position, many years back.
Jordan Wood
What would you say is happening in the footage of the second video posted assuming that the base premise is false? Thinking they are hired by the venezualan government to terrorise the street to discret the other protestors makes a lot more assumptions than perhaps there is US intervention seeing as the US has a long history of intervening all over south america to install pro-US goons. The situation in venezuala looks a hell of a lot like the situation in Libya a few years back.
Isaac Jackson
This is why we need a world without prices.
Jaxson Gomez
Not something that makes extreme poverty grow over 4 times higher.
Charles Mitchell
Capitalism.
Caleb Hernandez
First article, picked the first easy one because I'm lazy
They don't even name the opposition, just "a terrorist attack". The only one blaming the opposition for this is the national Minister of Transport, saying something along the lines of "obviously this is the violent opposition leaders' fault by extension" telesurtv.net
This happened.
1. Only one children's hospital was reported
2. It wasn't burned, but the children were evacuated because of "smoke getting into the hospital from a barricade" or "tear gas near the hospital affecting the children" depending on where you get it from. There are a trillion photos of the children being evacuated and none of the barricade or the tear gas, so both versions are equally dubious.
It wasn't, that actually was the "office of the government party" mentioned above.
Landon Howard
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Leo Watson
Demsocs turned into democratic authoritarians.
Nothing new here.
Isaiah Powell
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Liam Baker
Ugo "Retard" Chavez
Caleb Campbell
Baslically OPEC purposly deflated the worth of oil souly to fuck them.
The US is also embargoing them.
Ryan Stewart
There's no embargo on Venezuela.
Logan Moore
You could just, you know, read the article that you linked.
They sanctioned 10 officials.
Adrian Taylor
Disgraceful
Luke Reyes
Russia today and telesur make shit up all the time. A better source would be linking the leaked emails that the article is talking about.
Joseph Thompson
The bourgeois can't control the inflation, if the banks were state-owned they could. Venezuela is a pretty much perfect example of late-stage capitalism.
Samuel Diaz
Are you high?
Adrian Anderson
And exchange control kills everything. It works in the short term, but in the long term it actually creates more capital flight.
Landon Evans
It's a populist government and it has internal class contradictions. It's worth defending even as it becomes more anti-democratic because there is no "democratic capitalism".
jacobinmag.com
Chavez went too far for capitalism but not far enough for socialism. Everyone knows this but the article is good.
Hudson Powell
Eh the exchange controls didn't cause the inflation crisis that lead to Weimar tier food shortages.
Jace Turner
The shortages started somewhere between mid 2013 and early 2014, way before the oil crash. The black market exchange rate went crazy on August 2012.
Luis Jones
jacobinmag.com
So then, Jacobin attacked Cuba, Venezuela and TeleSUR. Obviously these things merit a lot (a lot) of criticism, but people aren't liking how it was done here. The author correctly points out that we shouldn't give the right a monopoly on criticizing the left, but that's the same thing the editor of the BBC said.
What says you, Holla Forums?
Jordan Reyes
There's no embargo on Venezuela.