A case for the moscow show trials part 1

A recent vídeo has been released talking about the moscow show trials It talks about validity of the trials and If the acusations where true or not. The vídeo gives extreme amount of sources some being private letters from Trotsky to his son, burkarin,zinoviev and kamenev,.It also features private statements made by Marshal tukhachevsky.
Subjects talked in the video:
-the asassination of kirov by pro a Trotskyte group.
-tukhachevsky colaboration with German agents.
-the formation of a anti Stalin plot by Trotsky, his son, burkarin,zinoviev and kamenev.
-trotsky direct and in direct suport for fascism.
-industrial Sabotage comming from the pro Trotsky group.

Vídeo in question:youtu.be/TBY_aDd5knE

Other urls found in this thread:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Rakovsky
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexei_Rykov
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikolay_Krestinsky
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yevgeni_Preobrazhensky
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grigori_Sokolnikov
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julian_Leszczyński
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solomon_Lozovsky
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Riazanov
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikolai_Krylenko
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zigmas_Angarietis
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_Antonov-Ovseyenko
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaan_Anvelt
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikhail_Borodin
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrei_Bubnov
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikolai_Gorbunov
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olga_Kameneva
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lev_Karakhan
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleksei_Kiselyov_(politician)
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Krasnoshchyokov
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Béla_Kun
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikolai_Kuzmin
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emanuel_Kviring
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valery_Mezhlauk
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mamia_Orakhelashvili
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yakov_Peters
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitaly_Primakov
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgy_Pyatakov
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Shliapnikov
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniil_Sulimov
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivan_Teodorovich
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleksandr_Voronsky
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never trust a trot

Also a part 2 Will be released soon so there will be a continuation thread to this one.

yeah I'm not watching this shit
I don't mind USSR apologists but if they aren't critical in the slightest they're no better than neoliberal droids who defend capitalism and imperialism

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Yeah, poor Stalin. When will this guy grow up?

You people Havent even watched the vídeo and are alredy talking shit, wow.

If youre going to talk shit at least look at the sources and watch the vídeo.

why did this make me laugh so much

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What is wrong with you fellow comrades? Uphold the immortal science of Marxism-Leninism!!!

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Stalin purged 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧them)) it was literally anudda shoah

FUN GAME: let's try to guess how many different people posted in this thread before us. I'm gonna say 2.

gonna say about 9 or 10

Tbh people Just dont want to watch such a long vídeo to comment on the thread.

because you're an immature child

Ok, I've just finished watching it, it is quite clear that in the USSR there was a fifth colum quite surely, and that if there were no trials the USSR would surely have collapsed against Germany.
But what surprises me is that whilst I hold some sympathy for Trotsky (some of his writings are pretty good in my opinion), he really seems as a terrible person who allied with everyone he could to take power in the USSR, even making controdictions with everything he has said previousely..
This video confirms that despise even more, Can a Troskist (and not just a "theory" trot but one that also support Trotsky praxis) debunk the video?, or it is just plain truth?

What the fug :DDD I'd rather read a book instead of watching a tankie suck Stalin's tiny dead cock.

From what i seem from part 1 There is not defense for Trotsky that woudent result in fascist apology or anti communist sentiment. But i would say to you to wait till tomorow to see the second part And have your final tought If Trotsky is or not able to be defended.

But by most faar it seem to be the truth and i would say to start having a more critical thinking about Trotsky and the left oposition against the USSR. If you have any Trotskyte friends i would recomend Sharing this to them.

Ok i'll see it tomorrow
Are you the video maker ??
If so are you going to talk about the actual trials (sentences happenings…)??
And was Trotsky condemned in them, or was his death an extra-judiciary execution by the goverment??

Im friends with him. I dont realy know whats going to be next,probably a continuation of the acusations against certain individuals and showing that the acusations are true. But i Hope to see whats going to be shown in the next part as well.

leftcoms and ancoms dont think they just act on emotion

If you have a problem make an argument

If you want to talk more about this better them post a comment in the vídeo and we Will talk about this on another platform.

If you're gonna go full tankie about the moscow show trials, at least stop calling them show trials.

Hi porky.

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Imagine being so deluded that you actually believe this bullshit.

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Please can you bring , sources/works refuting this points??
Im genuinely interested in hearing another opinion, but I need arguments and sources.

I know the vídeo is long But common its not like people that Go on leftypol have extreme amount of Spare time.

What a surprise, tankies digging up 90 year old historical events to try and defend a regime that died 30 years ago, instead of trying to do anything related to the working class of the present and future.

There are none becouse the sources in the vídeo are literaly from Trotsky and friends. Any type of defence of him in the context of all those letters would be indirect suport for fascism or anti communism.

"Marxism"-Leninism is truly a mental illness.

Becouse not analazing the past to show that anti soviet acusations where bullshit surely isent a thing that might show that socialism isent that bad and that by most far what People know about communist regimes is total bullshit isent It?

OP, you forgot to mention in your shitposts that the following Old Bolsheivk revolutionaries were also Anglo-German-Chinese-Polish collaborators and NazTrot-fascist wreckers all plotting to overthrow and execute Stalin and other leaders (and some of them were executed too):

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Rakovsky
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexei_Rykov
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikolay_Krestinsky
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yevgeni_Preobrazhensky
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grigori_Sokolnikov
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julian_Leszczyński
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solomon_Lozovsky
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Riazanov
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikolai_Krylenko

And some thousands more. But go ahead and make a video on them too, or else how will we ever be sure that you're right and the Stalinist leadership wasn't a degenerate shitshow?

Sure
Sounds hot

lul this video is on par with Holla Forums tier infographs and yet you're all so eager to defend Stalin.


where are the proofs billy?

Where is the proof of this supposed purge of the Trotsky archive? It's all conjecture. Broue, it must be noted, stayed a staunch Trotskyist his entire life. Obviously nothing he discovered in the archives must have been so "shocking" or "startling" to him as to cause him to have a severe lapse of faith. Even if Trotsky formed a bloc, so what? The accusations were much more serious than "oh you formed a secret group" they were accused of fascist collaboration, of collaboration with Germans, of all nonsensical bullshit that went way above and beyond simple "oh you formed an opposition group".

Next,


HOLY SHIT HE HAD THE SHIT BEAT OUT OF HIM AND """"CONFESSED""" TO BEING PART OF THE BLOC. WOW THANKS STALIN TRULY YOU ARE A GLORIOUS LEADER OBTAINING FORCED CONFESSIONS IS TRULY THE PINNACLE OF EVIDENCE.


Can you not see the logical fallacies? "Oh they couldn't find anything so It couldn't have happened." But even FinnBolshevik gets that wrong! Here's what Krucshev actually said:

"It must be asserted that to this day the circumstances surrounding Kirov's murder hide many things which are inexplicable and mysterious and demand a most careful examination. There are reasons for the suspicion that the killer of Kirov, Nikolayev, was assisted by someone from among the people whose duty it was protect the person of Kirov. A month and a half before the killing, Nikolayev was arrested on the grounds of suspicious behaviour, but he was released and not even searched. It is an unusually suspicious circumstance that when the Chekist [Borisov] assigned to protect Kirov was being brought for an interrogation, on 2 December 1934, he was killed in a car "accident" in which no other occupants of the car were harmed. After the murder of Kirov, top functionaries of the Leningrad NKVD were relieved of their duties and were given very light sentences, but in 1937 they were shot. We can assume that they were shot in order to cover the traces of the organizers of Kirov's killing."[15]

WOW everyone connected with the plot was shot! Gee I wonder who ordered that! Must be the evil underground bloc which had no power-oh wait no the only person with the authority to do that was Stalin. /facepalm

Half these people suported Trotsky and where associeated with kamenev,burkarin,zinoviev and the vídeo literaly talk how those individuals and their suporters where in a anti soviet plot. And uses private letters btwen each other as a source to show how the plot was true.

You know what fuck this I'm not going to waste my time with the rest of this garbage. If you believe evidence based on forced confessions and ignore everything else enough to be an ML you have too low of an Autism Level to be bothered with.

What about the fact that after the suspect was found to be part of a plot Trotsky started saying It was stalin that planed kiroc asasination? And also the fact that before the suspect was found to be in a plot Trotsky totaly suported the murder?>>1857142

There is ZERO proof Trotsky supported the murder. He had nothing to fucking gain from it. And ofc Trotsky would say stalin planned the assassination, because when someone important dies and suddenly you're being blamed for it, it's obvious that the guy 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧coincidentally🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧 directing all accusations your way must be behind it.

Perfect how OP's only response in excusing thefinnishbolshevik's shitty video amounts to
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Here's a few more he could explain:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zigmas_Angarietis
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_Antonov-Ovseyenko
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaan_Anvelt
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikhail_Borodin
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrei_Bubnov
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikolai_Gorbunov
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olga_Kameneva
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lev_Karakhan
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleksei_Kiselyov_(politician)
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Krasnoshchyokov
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Béla_Kun
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikolai_Kuzmin
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emanuel_Kviring
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valery_Mezhlauk
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mamia_Orakhelashvili
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yakov_Peters
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitaly_Primakov
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgy_Pyatakov
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Shliapnikov
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniil_Sulimov
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivan_Teodorovich
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleksandr_Voronsky
There's a lot more you can find on the Russian Wikipedia and web. Actually fuck off and never post again.

Exept for the quoutations with sources given in the vídeo that show that he suported the murder.

A) NONE of the sources were cited for those quotes

B) NONE of these fake ass quotes implicate Trotsky in Kirov's murder

Let me list you all the quotes

One fights repression by means of anonymity and conspiracy…”
–letter from Trotsky to Sedov

”…The proposal for a bloc seems to me to be completely acceptable.”
–letter from Trotsky to Sedov

”The bloc is organised, it includes the Zinovievists, the Sten–Lominadze Group and the Trotskyists (former capitulators). The Safar–Tarkhan* Group have not yet formally entered they have too extreme a position; they will enter very soon…. [T]he I.N. Smirnov Group, Preobrazh. and Uf…”
–letter from Sedov to Trotsky

”As far as the illegal organisation of the Bolshevik-Leninists in the USSR is concerned, only the FIRST STEPS have been taken towards its re-organisation.”
–letter from Trotsky (Dec. 16 1932) (emphasis added, Bolshevik-Leninist was a term Trotsky used for his supporters, Trotskyists—FB)

Boring bullshit meant to sound menacing, just add SPOOKY music and FinnBolshevik's editing style

“Stalin… is crushing the country … Inplacable hatred is accumulating around him, and a terrible vengeance hangs over his head… An assassination attempt? It is possible that this regime… will ultimately suffer individual terror. One can add that it would be contrary to the laws of history that the gangsters in power not be subject to acts of vengeance…”
–Leon Trotsky

Oh he's saying Stalin might be killed because he's pissing a lot of people off! Wow what a unique insigh-not.

And that's all the quotes from Trotsky, fake as hell and even if true cherry picked in the most misleading way possible. None of them suggested he had a hand in Kirov's death.

now kys

DUDE STOP! youre literaly Just citing people that have conections with Trotsky,burkarin,zinoviev and kamenev.
And the vídeo alredy showd that yes in private letters they where making a anti goverment block.

With the fact that Stalin fanned the police terror which murdered around half, if not more, of the revolutionaries in every Politburo and Central Committee, Party authority and so on, maybe he was right to.

Can you be anymore stupid? Stalin had closer connections to Lev Kamenev and Zinoviev for much longer than most people who were murdered in the great purges.

Half of the quotes sources are in the description its not my problem If youre too dumb to even click the links in the description or even see the description.

Holy shit. This faggot is literally just trolling for views to his shitty channel. At what point does this level of shitposting become bannable?

why would i listen whats basically a Grover Furr ebook? these are his same retarded arguments (spoiler; they use the actual confessions themselves as sources)