Left-Wing Conspiracy Theorists and Leftist Conspiracies

Who is your favorite left-wing conspiracy theorist? Mine is Dave McGowan–who arguably has claim to being the first 9/11 skeptic on the internet: whale.to/b/mcgowan_h.html
centerforaninformedamerica.com

I know, I know, conspiracies are for chumps, anti-scientific speculation etc, etc. but honestly I don't know anyone who is interested in politics without even a minor interest in them.

Some conspiracies have passed from the realm of conspiracy theory into conspiracy fact such as the CIA-Cartel collusion and the existence of the mafia (which was denied for decades by the FBI), and the Iran-contra affair etc. Others remain on the margins of respectable historiography but plausible nonetheless; still others are in a realm of crazy that they aren't worth entertaining.

Honestly, the rise of the Alt-Right and the tin-foil hat nouveau-John Bircher/Neo-Nazi conspiratardation that came with it has killed the pleasure I used to derive from reading about these things because at the time I was into it seemed the majority of conspiracy theorists were left-leaning.

Let's make tin-foil hats red again!

Other urls found in this thread:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crypto-Judaism#Spanish_America
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vela_Incident
youtube.com/watch?v=CHtfa5LweJU
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roswell_UFO_incident
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Air_Force
youtube.com/watch?v=XCfGTWQiIJQ
e-hentai.org/s/6b79a0f46b/989370-1
talkingdrugs.org/heroin-italy-disappeared-generation-1970
youtube.com/watch?v=JirrKIQfOmk
globalresearch.ca/the-plot-to-kill-martin-luther-king-survived-shooting-was-murdered-in-hospital-an-interview-with-william-pepper/5544005
youtube.com/watch?v=SP5c_MEs9mo
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unethical_human_experimentation_in_the_United_States#Founding
ocweekly.com/news/how-the-brotherhood-of-eternal-love-is-connected-to-the-weather-underground-via-the-black-panthers-6399957
nytimes.com/1970/10/21/archives/timothy-leary-gets-asylum-in-algeria-asylum-granted-to-timothy.html
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eldridge_Cleaver#Black_Panther_Party
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicholas_Sand
libgen.io/book/index.php?md5=49C78EA1CF8809CFE276303AAA0D68DA
archive.is/ggQia
google.com/patents/WO2013056229A1
tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1586/14737175.2014.971760
archive.is/a8JQg
twitter.com/NSFWRedditGif

Load of garbage this is. The conspiracy is omnipresent: capitalism. I hope Trump's presidency demonstrates that there is no secret cabal, no deep state, no guiding hand to any of this.

We don't need to resort to unproven claims. What we need to figure out is how to make truth matter again to people.

All the actual far reaching "conspiracy theories" are just different examples of capitalist imperialism and commerce.

I love the international noise conspiracy

redkahina

jews

How does it demonstrate that? If anything it proves the claims of leftists authors who claim there's a right-wing deep state.

Well there were definitely aliens at Roswell and Area 51 so there's that

One thing that I believe is that CIA heroin smuggling provides a very plausible motive for 9/11 false flag narratives. Afghanistan is the key to world heroin production, and as the graph shows, it was almost wiped out in 2001. The world heroin trade has never been disrupted for two years in a row in modern times, and planting season ends in November.

David Icke is unironically woke imo. The ruling class may or may not be composed of reptilian shapeshifters from the 4th dimension, but Icke accurately pinpoints the source of their power: human sacrifice (via war) and loosh harvesting( via the empty soul sucking world of the spectacle). Liberals who share Obama gifs on their social media and pretend they are friends with Elon Musk are definitely on a lower level of awareness than lizard people enthusiasts, who at least understand the ruling class is the enemy. Besides Icke had been talking for years about sexual abuse in the British establishment, turns out he was right and there were actually several child sex rings involving celebrities and members of parliament. Funny how that works.

Yeah seriously if more people actually thought the ruling class were reptilians we'd probably have a revolution by now. Hillary is genuinely a lizard though, that's irrefutable by this point.

she's extremely good

There is a deep state, the CIA took down nixon and pretty much have owned the Washington post since then.
And of course our government has done nefarious things, like how post ww2 they pretty much collaborated with nazis to oppose communism in Europe and south america.

I do believe in false flags, social engineering, astroturfing, bots, hired actors to play protesters, psyops, controlled opposition, shills.

I do believe there are secret societies, most likely they do not call themselves the Illuminati. Most likely its a bunch of rich bourgeois who need an excuse to have sex and feel like they are above the proles, i bet like 1% of them have any actual interest or knowledge of the occult.

And it is not a conspiracy to know that the people who have actual power are the plutocracy, the landowners, the ceo's, the billionaires, Hollywood, corporations, lobbyists, wall street, silicon valley, the various aristocratic old money families ( Rockefeller, Rothschild's, DuPont etc), the secret societies, the military industrial complex, the intelligence agencies ( CIA, MI5 , the Mossad, RAW, ISI, etc).


I think the main goal of the media is to protect the globalist, capitlist, neoliberal status quo, and any threats from the far right, far left, religion, or anything else are obliterated by the mechanisms they have set up.


When it comes to any group, always follow the money, you laugh at those people talking about soros protesters, but always, always follow the money.

Webster tarpley b4 he went full hillbot

You know what in particular I find very intriguing? Imperialist Hoxaism, or deep underground military bases (DUMBs) and black research projects. Nazis had their secret bunkers. Russia had closed cities. Burgers have also declassified several old underground facilities. Saddamn had his bunkers. Iran has its underground weapons caches. Best Korea tests nukes underground. So there's lots of historical precedent and little reason to think such things don't exist in bigger and better versions. Human experimentation, chemical and biological weapons, all sorts of ostensibly forbidden shit probably goes down…

There's some theories floating around that the burgers use nuclear powered rock melting machines and have shittons of train tunnels connecting their bunkers and that there are enormous caves that have literally small towns in them, for research and for the uber-elite to escape nuclear war or whatever. Who knows if the shit is real but its fucking fascinating to think about.


Often I think its just a big euphemism so he can continue to push fundamental truths and not get crushed for being too direct.

(I mean we all know here capitalists are not literally pigs in top hats… r-right?)

Or he's accepted the whole situation and just decided to cash in selling conspiracy shit to people instead of "suicide".


100% this. There's so much information about these things it makes me rage that otherwise intelligent people are so fucking blind.

I'm pretty certain there are large international secret organizations full of porkys pulling strings. It's the porky way of doing things, someone else does things for them while they hide far away… why wouldn't they do that in politics too, puppets play democracy to distract and draw the masses attention while their agenda and power continues uninterrupted?

Shit comrade, it's not even a matter of belief, all this crap goes down so blatantly in latin america it takes complete retardation not to see it. In the imperialist core it just is more carefully produced, is all…

I have personally met controlled opposition people that are the most disgusting fake "activists" that backstab and sabotage any good initiative or organization and take credit for shit they never did. Happened to me and some friends, and numerous other people too. And this bitch gets prizes and conferences from "human rights" orgs and fucking UN and US "NGOs".

I have sat at tables with porkies discussing political astroturfing strategies. A (former) friend of mine went into shit neolib party and wanted me to join his shitfest…

I have witnessed people be paid to protest and be directed and have no idea what they're actually are supposed to protest about, and even confess that they're just there because they were paid.

This world is rotten to the core.

Best left-wing conspiracy of all time is that German alchemists run the United States from the grave through the Skull and Bones, CIA and Minerva cult spooks. That's the best one i have for you

The problem-reaction-solution is legit but it isn't used by reptilians as he says but by libertarian think tanks.

Fun story about that.

The state and city I live in was literally founded by "ex"-jews masquerading as christians converts, with a special exemption from the king of spain himself (jews and converts couldn't move to the colonies, only multi-gen christians, cuz muh blood purity).

After a while the founder's family was denounced to the inquisition and imprisoned. He died in jail and his family was burned at the stake. Still the great majority if not all of the founding families were still crypto-jews, and more came from other parts of the colonies because it was a place where they could practice their jewry.

Extra fun fact: they made a lot of money enslaving natives, which had been banned for decades.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crypto-Judaism#Spanish_America

This was centuries before open jewish communities formed in the country, and today there is a conspicuous absence of open judaism here, when compared to the other major cities.

The city and overall region has been at odds with the central government for centuries and even had two attempts at secession taking over the whole northeast (around the time of Texas secession and before it was annexed). Now some parts of the city are amongst the wealthiest in latin america and the "not-jew" families are megaporkies owning big corporations…

Then there's the usage of the phrase "ay guey/wey". It's etymology is murky but some claim its a deformation of buey (ox), like calling someone a stupid cow… but it sure sounds a lot like and often means pretty much the same as "oy vey". 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧Coincidence🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧?

Speaking of nukes what do you think about the Vela incident?
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vela_Incident
I've always been fascinated by the claim that apartheid South Africa had nukes and other wmds and after all, it's an open secret Israel has nukes some estimate at several hundred.

Unrelated note, do you think it's possible to manipulate weather or induce earthquakes as some conspiracy theorists have claimed?

What was that all about?

I'd like to hear more about this.

I have been wondering about this too as I heard about it for the first time last year from someone I trust.

Supposedly it comes in on oil tankers because they do not get searched by customs. I don't know if that is true or not as I couldn't find any sources to verify that.

Organ markets. Avoid solo trips to India and SE Asia.

Pardon?

So, I'm not sure if this is a "conspiracy theory" or not, but I've been reading Hoxha, as well as some other radical writers from the Cold War era and they talk a lot about collusion and collaboration between the two super-powers.

Does anyone have any good examples or evidence of this? Was it mainly diplomatic/military collaboration, the trade relations between the two powers don't seem that extensive except for perhaps in the latter half of the 70s though some people argue there was secret trade between them.

Haven't heard of that before

Governments have definitely researched them, it's documented. Cloud seeding is a real thing. Zbigniew Brezezinksi the turboimperialist talked about causing storms or draughts. I definitely think weather has been used as a weapon. IDK about earthquakes, its something I keep in the back of my mind but have no solid info about it.

Entire cities that officially didn't exist, unmarked and not on maps, where weapons production or research happened. People needed special permission to enter or leave and could had to say they were from other cities, but they had access to better goods and services than the average soviet. There's still closed cities, but some aren't hardcore secret anymore, but access is still limited.
Here's a doc about one youtube.com/watch?v=CHtfa5LweJU

Ya he was interesting to read before that but what surprises me is how respected Antony Sutton's work is by right-wingers when he worked for the Hoover Institute (a well-known republican think tank).

I like this list that McGowan made of Soviet space-accomplishments. It does make me wonder how the US went to the moon and the USSR didn't–there are some conspiracies alleging that the Soviets went first but kept it a secret to enhance the prestige of capitalism. That's definitely fringe material tho

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the dickwaving over space exploration is so stupid imo

All the rocket science came from not socialist scientists what were scooped up after the war.

lmao it was just tests for super-fast aircraft
that's why ufo nuts only exist in the USA (and some affiliated nations with airbases like uk)
project was eventually scrapped because these craft had zero practical application

You don't travel much do you? It's a worldwide thing.

(why is there no posadism flag?)

I mentioned in a couple of older threads something about Big Pharma, I should have capped it. Let me try to sum up.

There's this substance called HNK, a metabolite of ketamine, which is responsible for the antidepressant effect that was thought to be had by the K itself. Its synthesis is known for decades, it's not much more complicated or expensive than K's, it has no psychotropic effect, it works on 75-80% of treatment-resistant depressives, and by definition, it can't have more side effects than K, meaning it might or might not damage the bladder. So it's possible HNK is a "cure" for depression with literally no side effects.

Yet, to the best of my knowledge, not a single pharmaceutical company or laboratory is looking into it, because metabolites can't be patented. So they're looking for other K-derived substances which can. But for some reason, no ONGs or national UHC programs or whatever are interested either.

It's not some arcane secret, all I needed to find this out was the internet and a bit of free time. The information is out there for anyone to find, which is what makes this all the more unnerving: it's not a secret at all, yet it's not spoken of at all either, so almost no one knows of it despite there being no conspiracy to suppress it. The abstract version of "hiding in plain sight".

Sometimes I think I have hallucinated this, but no, the data is right there on the internet and my HD.

wtf is happening in this video?

I think there are child sex rings run by intelligence agency. I believe in underground child sex slave farms run by them too.

No proof obviously but intel agencies like the CIA have long been suspected to entrapping powerful people with offers of pedophila to hold leverage over them, and I know from my work with the military the US Gov is capable of building massive underground facilities.

A rabbit in death throes.

There used to be a book called Behold a pale horse. It talked about how the Nazis got to the moon first with an unmanned probe.

And that Air Force had been to the moon years before 1969. But they were one way suicide missions that the air men that went on them weren't informed.

They grinded through a bunch of soilders until they perfected the tech enough to publically show missions where the astronauts came back.

Used to be this YouTuber named djhives that would cite the book al the time.

Can you link some resources about this I'd like to know more.

yeah that's william cooper

pretty famous book in conspiracy circles

I'm disorganized as fuck so I'll have to hunt the links down again, I'll post here when I get them.

A conspiracy theorist observes phenomena, formulates a hypothesis to explain those phenomena and then searches for evidence to corroborate their theory. That's the scientific method and it's exactly what scientists do. The term "conspiracy theorist" shouldn't be seen as a pejorative. Liberal scum in the academic community have made it one because they're crooked self-serving shitters.

True, for liberals any critical point of view regarding the status quo has essentially become "conspiracy theory"

I'm a little skeptical of how conspiracy theorists collect data and assemble it, given the sheer volume of documents and data freely available when it comes to 19th, 20th and 21st century history you can basically find enough choice tidbits to prove any point of view.

There's an old saying (and I may have it wrong tbh) "Give me 1,000 hours of tape and I can make anyone a villain."

Some conspiracy theorists are obviously better at putting together historical data, hypothesis then others and those are the ones who are usually the most credible imo the line between "conspiracy theorist" and Historian-I-Don't-Like is unfortunately rather thin in our present culture.

I don't think the US government orchestrated 9/11 or building 7 shits, but I think they had prior knowledge that is was happening and they let it happen.

The dems and the rebpubs and the bourgeois in general are nearly all pedophiles. There is a massive secure network in most of the first and third world where children who nobody will miss can be procured for the bourgeois. Everyone having raped kids means everybody mutually has dirt on everyone else. This keeps anyone from rocking the boat.

The dems and the rebpubs are the same bourgeois class, but are different networks of friends in industry vying for supremacy of capitol. The dems do have much much better PR as they own all of the media and academia and the tech world. Thus they can be much more brazen with their acts than then repubs can be. The Clinton family really did kill all those people.

Mind control is actually read. This one does not count since it's not a theory, I suppose. The US was successful in various tests of mind control. Look up projects MKULTRA, MKALPHA, BLUEBIRD, and ARTICHOKE. What's interesting is thinking about what *wasn't* made public. The government chose to make all these files public. So what about mind control was not made public.

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I'm not sure if aliens exist, or if it's just porky government testing, but the 1976 Tehran UFO incident certainly is suspicious. If we could assume ETIs existed, wouldn't it be likely that the evidence would be surpressed for societal control (aka capitalists trying not to advance dialectical materialism)? Maybe Posadas is right about ayyliums.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roswell_UFO_incident

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Air_Force

Watch this vid it explaisn really well capitalism and conspiracies.
youtube.com/watch?v=XCfGTWQiIJQ

Anyone here unironically believe in the Bill Hicks is Alex Jones conspiracy?

Right here. Obviously Hicks is playing a joke on right-wing America, and one day soon, it will be revealed and all the alt-right kids will an hero themselves.

Look at motherfuckin Tiger Swan PMC operating inside the US borders as espionage, propaganda, and "embedded intelligence gathering" spooks against the Dakota Access protestors. I have no doubt that if/when we see more widespread leftist actions in America and Canada we'll see PMCs playing the ol' fashion cointelpro role.

Hell, the fact cointelpro even existed/exists should be proof enough that there are always some sort of on the ground conspiracy afoot.

The government didn't choose to make these public. The files to MKULTRA where misplaced and accidentally leaked.

I work in IT and have organized projects with upwards of 50 people. Even those small projects produce an enormous amount to records, and I'm not even talking about the paper work needed to comply with gov regs. Just everyday crucial records needed by the team to get work done.

A lot of people always say the government leaks stufff like MKULTRA on purpose but I'm telling you from experience it takes hurclean amounts of effort to keep even small projects secret.

I got freaked out by this stuff too so I read a little bit into it.
Essentially they can't mind control you with media(although they can trick you into believing dumb and harmful things like an illusionist/magician would with magic tricks of perspectives and distraction), but if they have control over when you sleep, what you eat, who you have contact with, and they can humiliate you and control you or give you positive praise for doing things they want you to then you'll slowly go insane, and once you've broken they can rebuild your mind into what ever they want.
For a common example of this look at the USA military, although it isn't quite as severe.
Oh, also psychoactive drugs. LSD mainly.

e-hentai.org/s/6b79a0f46b/989370-1

911 was an inside job.

WHY

i thought MGS4 PMC names were corny, turns out they reflect reality 100%

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Because I want to impregnate an ayylium.

that's not how it works, they impregnate you and give you anal probes and then commit earthling genocide because all the grills won't fuck you anymore

What kind of faggot aliens are you dealing with? If you see any gay aliens trying to rape you just shoot them and then steal their space ship.
Wait, they'll kill all people on Earth because the girls won't fuck them? Or the person that gets raped will kill all people on Earth because no girls will fuck them because they got raped by aliens?

the girls only fuck aliens and the earthling race dies because of mis-cegenation

But what about the female aliens?

It honestly seems like a joke Bill would play. He would be the most based american leftist if he pulls it off.

they only fuck with alien chads

Macron is simultaneously possessed by the spirits of Genghis Khan and Napoleon I

I'm not too familiar with Bill Hicks.
Was he a leftist? He just seemed to hate everyone and wanted everyone to die.

what bill hicks did you watch that gave you such an impression

Yeah, LibLeft, but subtly. Opposition to war and capitalism, calling out the war on drugs, bashing right-wing crypto-facists and liberals in the same breath, strong opposition to bosses and work in general. I mean, he had his faults, like constant 'friendzone'-esqe jokes, but everyone can't be perfect like stalin. I recommend Sane Man as a good starter.

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he made a joke about his ex once

Go thru your porn*

There was a clip of him screaming about how he hates everyone. I'm not sure what the context was though. It really made me believe a little more in the Bill Hicks=Alex Jones conspiracy anyway

Okay thank you, I'll check it out.

Mark "I faked my overdose in a gay nightclub and all i got for it was this lousy t shirt" Dice is River Phoenix. No wonder he is a staunch Christian and a anti-drug advocate.

The only kind of fucked up thing I fap to are traps, and I really only like the kind where it's a guy fucking a trap as if the trap was a girl, so I can self insert as the guy fucking the trap.
Oh, also monster girls.
And cumming inside of girls.

it would probably be easier to explain it to ayy lmaos than to humans


guy literally talked about psychedelics and weed making life better for everyone

all jokes aside, im mostly just afraid that aliens will pander to my sexuality too well and ruin me for other humans

AYYLMAOED.com

The fact that Monterrey was founded by crypto jews is not a secret. Just look at cabrito and tortillas de harina.

look if the aliens can pander to my sexuality and have time to waste doing so humanity can fuck off. i'll go live with them and write alienology books like those anthropologists who go live with the societies they're studying, except with more fapping

It was "humanity is a virus with shoes" and that "Hitler had the right idea he was just an underachiever… don't just gas the Jews… kill them all" or something like that. Pretty AnPrim if you ask me.

The CIA basically burned everything in the 70s after watergate scandal made politicians start to dig around intelligence agency activities, just in time to evade the committees set up in 1975 that would expose a ton of FBI, NSA, CIA abuse. What we do know of those mind control programs was because of some files that accidentally survived, and those actually don't give much detail about the activities or the full extent of it, and the testimony of some involved, which isn't to be trusted really. Presumably the programs stopped, but they might as well continued under other names, who the hell knows. It is likely to have taken up a lot of sick research done by Nazis previously.

Its fucked up. One Canadian scientist that was involved fucked up a lot of his mild depression / anxiety patients (without them knowing of course) many of which ended up with severe amnesia or crazy for life, experimenting with memory erasing / rewriting: putting people on drugs for months, electrocuting them, weeks under sensory deprivation, playing repetitive recordings…. Afterwards he became the president of the American Psychiatric Association, and also of the World one. Think about that while you ponder how psychiatrists in burgerland are always pushing drugs onto people.

The conspiracy theories talk how such techniques and other psychological abuse are used to destroy a person's identity and somehow create split personalities so they can create brainwashed puppets that aren't even aware they're puppets. Tightening your tinfoil, some then say such things are related to satanic abuse and "alien" abductions, possibly even elite pedophilia and other sex trafficking. Muh hollywood illuminati sex kittens…

It's not a secret, just a literal jew conspiracy. But you'd be surprised by the amounts of people living here that don't know it.

Not to mention in the internet mexico knowledge = shitty bordertown whorehouse and cartels.

talkingdrugs.org/heroin-italy-disappeared-generation-1970
CIA colluding with drug cartels to destroy any revleft activism through drug distrubution. It was a well planned psyop to destroy leftism both organizationally, as drug addicted people struggle with their health, and in public opinion, as leftist=junkie became a common association.

IG Farben wasn`t a conspiracy, it actually existed and helped nazis to gas jews.

I think Nasser was killed by the CIA. The Arabs would have kept up the offensive against Israel in the Yom Kippur War if the Americans hadn't intervened diplomatically. The Americans only intervened because the Israelis signaled to the Americans that they were considering nuclear strikes.

youtube.com/watch?v=JirrKIQfOmk

What do people think of 11/22/63 and its depiction of Oswald? Also what do people think about comrade Oswald

Agent Oswald seems more likely.

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bump, I swear to god I'll reply, been busy lately, sorry

i unironically think it was.

Who honestly believes the official 9/11 narrative these days?
I'm not a burger but my country is almost as Americanized as it gets and even normies at a surprising rate are pretty open to the idea that the 9/11 attacks could have been carried out by the US government, woke political people will be more likely to scoff and call you conspiracy theorist

Seriously, who on this board is sleeping deep enough to believe the 9/11 story they've been feeding us?

Kulaks did Holodomor is my personal favourite

Ok user looking forward to it

Love talking about this one with people. Everyone has their own experience with products made intentionally shitty and it segues well into talking about the pig.

That's because its the most normie conspiracy theory. It's like our version of the moon landing or Oswald didn't do it.

Who shot this fellow Holla Forums?

Not James Earl Ray and guess what? The King family and many of his personal friends don't believe James Earl Ray did it either. A US court basically admitted that the US government was complicit in the killings in a civil suit brought by the King family. Yet the man is made into a saint by the very state that killed him, ironic.
globalresearch.ca/the-plot-to-kill-martin-luther-king-survived-shooting-was-murdered-in-hospital-an-interview-with-william-pepper/5544005

Yeah but that's because civil suits have a lower standard of proof.

It's still significant. The US gov is never going to prosecute itself for the murder of MLK.

Based on what, I'm curious? People were posting online it was staged on the day of.

I think Parenti believes 9/11 was a false flag and that the CIA killed JFK.

He said it on his website the day of I believe or the day after. He had a whole write up called "Welcome to the Fourth Reich" unfortunately his old site has been excluded from the way back machine. You can see an incomplete version of the site on archive.is

Is it weird that I think the JFK assassination is legit but believe in many other conspiracies?

bumperino

Just look at the shape of their respective ears.
They don't match.

Far more likely they just take third world children like everyone else imo

The prevailing theory in the circles that put forward this theory is that Hicks had cosmetic surgery on his ears.

Bullshit. There would be visible scars. Ear surgery is complicated when it's not about cutting off parts of the ear. To reshape the ear and have it remain the same size it not something you'd get from a plastic surgeon.

being in psychedelic and drug circles I find it increasingly interesting that Nick Sand, Terrence McKenna, Timothy Leary, etc etc run in "hippy" socialist movements. Did you know LSD suppliers in the 60 and 70s were traveling to chinese occupied tibet, indian occupied pakistan, and french/british controlled mena countries.

also the black panthers worked with pan arab socialist movements.

I think the quote from reagans secretary about "we knew drugs werent bad but we wanted to associate blacks and hippies with drugs and then make them illegal to imprison war protestors" was actually a little deeper and more to do with it cutting into off the books funding for imperialism

the more I look into COINTELPRO the more it looks like the civil rights movement was an actual underground war against civilians that is still going on. Black Panthers were running drugs around the world with preeminent acedemic and political thinkers and it could have become an anti-capitalist world ideology if the fed didn't kneecap their source of finance

it makes me think the branding of hippy culture and summer of love as peaceful is strict historical revisionism

youtube.com/watch?v=SP5c_MEs9mo

as an arylcyclohexylamine enthusiast this information means a great deal to me

sincere thanks

I have a strong intuitive feeling that ketamine and meditation can be used in therapy to selectively metaprogram the human brain. I think something DMT something sigma receptors something something k-hole something unity of consciousnesses allows you to revisit past trauma from a third person perspective to erase and rewrite archetypical behavior response patterns to obtain more healthy lifestyle pattern of your choosing as a result.

oh look its time to link it again

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unethical_human_experimentation_in_the_United_States#Founding

#conspiracy

Wow, nice conspiracy theory. Do you have any sources for your claims on McKenna, Leary, and BPP I'm seriously interested here, not being an asshole?

ocweekly.com/news/how-the-brotherhood-of-eternal-love-is-connected-to-the-weather-underground-via-the-black-panthers-6399957

nytimes.com/1970/10/21/archives/timothy-leary-gets-asylum-in-algeria-asylum-granted-to-timothy.html

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eldridge_Cleaver#Black_Panther_Party

Also Che was in Kongo and Algeria is real close to Gaddaffis Lifya.

I now see black panthers marching with guns as a serious contender for an occupying force through dual power with communal organizations. The CIA technically didn't murder them because they really were at war. They "lost" so what remains is an insurgency.

I just found out about the Nick Land - Tibet connection from The Sunshine Makers documentary in which the relationship b/w them and The Brotherhood of Eternal Love + the Brotherhoods contempt for the Hell's Angels.

This led me to consider the rising Meth/Herion problems combined wth Hunter S Thompson's Hollywood notieriety and Johnny Depp being his personal friend and obvious MKULTRA victim turned abuser all just fits nicely as an addition to my already enormous heap of suspicious connections such as the recorded Leary/Hoffman/Huxley german nazi scientist CIA connection that kinda leads towards McKenna's college experience which is eerily similar to Ted Kaczynski's if were being real here.

Nicholas *Sand

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicholas_Sand

my absolute favorite leftwing conspiracy theory is that jfk got killed because he wanted to organize a right-wing coup to take cuba down but mixed with the wrong fucking people as companions. its neat, elaborate but still like awesome speculation, worth a longer read if you are into this stuff.

libgen.io/book/index.php?md5=49C78EA1CF8809CFE276303AAA0D68DA

Not just Arabs.

You can call me a meta conspiracy theorist, since I'm pretty sure that a lot of conspiracy theories are secretly created and promoted by the porkies.
After all, tinfoil hats are harmless to the capital.

FBI / police are making antifa trendy so they can get a list of "terrorists" for unknown reasons

That's a group inspired by the Panthers, I don't know that they had direct communication or collaboration


Interesting times, but I'm not sure what point exactly you're making about the panthers.
First you say they running drugs around the world, but then you post the Leary story, which doesn't suggest that they were selling but that they were against it, unless they were trying cutting out the competition?

And all the North Korea, pan arab stuff, what's your point? BPP was openly internationalist, they spoke about the Korean connections publicly, as you posted, what's the conspiracy?

I believe this 100%, especially the common alien and UFO stories, totally propagated by state intelligence even if it was just as a lazy coverup of military tech

archive.is/ggQia

Now that you mention it, they didn't. WHOOPS

I also believe that flat-earth theory is propagated by state (or private) intelligence, and used as a kind of regulator. It came out of nowhere, spreaded fastly among conspiracy theorist in less than one year, and since became the most divisive of all these theories.

Antifas have more cops among them than actaul police forces have.

I can unironically believe that.

If your conspiracy theory is reasonable when applied to today's situation and historical materialism, it's unlikely it will support the capital.

I now believe everything in this thread.

Would not be surprised if it's a psyop to excuse martial law.

Finally, here it is. Sorry it took so damn long. Between being busy and needing some downtime, I confess I lacked not just time but motivation. Because depression.

Anyway. Ketamine's anti-depressant effect has been known for decades now, but the first academic study about it came only in 2000 (first file), and confirmed the anecdotal evidence, deeming that K's anti-depressant effect worked by "antagonizing NMDAR", whatever that means. This has one interesting implication that I'll elaborate on later. From there on there were a lot of K studies on animals and people, from which I got that stat that it works on 70-80% of people with treatment resistant depression. Notice that this number is probably quite higher if you were to include the remainder of MDD cases. You can find these studies with Google and sites like Pubmed. Also drug communities are full of anecdotes of all sorts. I recommend Drugs-Forum.com, Bluelight.org and Reddit (search with Google's site: function, it's far better than Reddit's shit search engine).

Someone could self-medicate with K, but of course, there is the one big problem of risking a trip to the American gulag when buying it, and another two are possible minor brain damage (like a lot of drugs) and guaranteed bladder damage. Reports on the latter are conflicting; just about everyone says only people consuming massive amounts develop noticeable bladder problems, one person I know claims he started to notice them even with small, therapeutic doses. Speaking of which, the anti-depressant dose is thankfully much lower than the recreative one, so you wouldn't need to trip balls if you don't want to. This also means cost isn't really a problem.

In 2012, a group of scholars did unpublished research that indicated the metabolite HNK was the actual antidepressant, by "increasing the function of mTOR". This reinforces the "interesting thing" I mentioned before, I'll get to it in a minute. Anyway, in 2013 (second file) they patented the use of HNK and one of its metabolites to fight depression and neuropathic pain (capitalism!) before finally releasing their findings in 2014 (third file). From them on, there have been some studies of direct administration of HNK in animals, but none in humans yet as far as I know.

By now, it's already known that HNK has no recreative effects and can cause no brain damage, but the jury is still out on bladder damage. The good news is, being a K metabolite, direct use of HNK can't possibly cause more bladder damage than a K dose that would produce the same amount of HNK as the direct use dose. By the same token, it should have a success rate at least the same as K's, possibly higher, as we don't know yet why some people don't respond to K; if it's because their bodies can't create HNK, then direct HNK doses might work at 100% success rate, but if their bodies do make HNK but still they don't respond, then at least we still have the 70-80% baseline. One of the drawbacks, depending on the person, is that you can't trip balls. But the real drawback is that, despite a synthesis reaction being known since 1986, no one manufactures the fucking thing because it was thought to be completely useless.

Which brings to possible ways to acquire HNK. There are laboratories that provide a service called custom synthesis, which is exactly what it sounds like. It costs an arm and a leg – US$5000-7000 quotes are common – because there's no known economical, efficient way to synthetize your substance (if there were, it means it would already be produced and thus you wouldn't need custom synthesis in the first place, would you?), so they essentially have to create an industrial process from scratch. This means that there are several risks. It usually takes a few months, you might get a lot of impurities in your shit, you might get a minuscule amount of the desired substance amidst a lot of impurities, you might get a completely bunk result; 10g is a treasure trove, 50g is winning the lottery, but I think the average is 1-5g. Mercifully, this allows for a lot of HNK doses, which probably aren't higher than 15mg. As you might be guessing, these labs don't offer refunds, but some offer purity checks or resynthesis or other niceties. Also, further batches of the same substance from the same lab should be increasingly cheaper, as they refine the process, and being a loyal customer might help too. Unsurprisingly, labs in developed countries tend to be better but more expensive, and the reverse for labs in poorer countrie. Emphasis on China, and to a lesser degree India, whose quality varies absurdly. You might get the best and cheapest service in the world, or you might just plain get scammed. Eastern Europe seems to be a good compromise of price and quality. Thanks, Gorbachev.

So then, here's the funny thing about scholars "finding out" K's anti-depressant mechanism and finding out HNK's mechanism. You see, for about 30 years now, the leading theory as to the cause of depression, or at least one venue of treating it, is serotonin. Lack of it in the brain, the theory goes, causes depressive and/or anxious mood. So the leading anti-depressants have been overwhelmingly SSRIs, which basically increase the amount of serotonin in the brain. However, there always were several holes in this paradigm, chief among which is that, well, the correlation link between serotonin and depression is far from strong, let alone the causal link. A perennial criticism of SSRIs is that they often had success rates just barely above that of placebo, whereas the side effects are very real. And since they "discovered" K's anti-depressant mechanism, well, this can mean only one of two things: either there are more than one way to chemically treat depression, and the establishment focused on the (rather shit) only one they knew; or SSRIs have been placebos the whole time. Or rather, placebos rarely have side effects, so worse than placebos, really. Picture that: 3 decades worth of human suffering and lives lost to suicide, that could have been prevented by a substance known since 1964 and widely available due to its other medical uses. Partly because of a defective research scheme, but mostly thanks to that old dragon, the drug war.

I guess that's the lowdown. I have plenty more information, which I got from a shitload of pirated academic papers, in case anyone wants. I'm positive I know more about K and HNK than my shrink by now.

Also, I know a group of people who were looking to groupbuy the first custom synthesis of HNK that I know of. They made the order a few months ago, maybe they got it by now, I need to check up on them. I didn't join because I can't afford it right now.

I'd like to say there are also other supposed anti-depressant uses for illegal drugs, including LSD microdosing. Which is much less risky and even cheaper than ketamine treatment.

Lastly, just today I found out that at least one group is actually researching HNK, thank fucking God. They're eggheads from the US National Institutes of Health’s National Center for Advancing Translational Sciences, and from the university of Maryland, and some of them are the ones that discovered HNK's usefulness and patented it. They're progressing slowly though research now.

World patent for HNK as anti-depressant: google.com/patents/WO2013056229A1
A more detailed account of HNK's history: tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1586/14737175.2014.971760
Article talking about other oncoming anti-depressants: archive.is/a8JQg

You're welcome. And I'm also curious about metaprogramming. I find it funny how something that will probably one day be a perfectly codified technology is now only accessible to us via arcane, oblique methods such as drugs. I feel like some ancient villager fucking about with minerals, desperately trying to recreate that shiny sharp thing he once saw being carried by an out-of-towner.

If you don't believe in 9/11 you're not a REAL patriot, see video for the official version of events. Contains all the government propagan contains all the government truth on the matter.

bumbing

one last bump for the road, jack

SSRI's are thymoanaletpics at the very best and have zero efficicacy for "depression", were introduced to lower the birth rate (fluoxetine listened by WHO as reproductive toxin) and induce suicides in young white men.

Also coincidentally block the effects of MDMA, an actual useful therapeutic drug that also induces extreme empathy and feelings of universal love, was banned by our overlords. Really fills up the synaptic cleft

I'm not sure how deep 9/11 is, but I always thought it was interesting how the government was so quick to pass the Patriot Act, almost none of which has done anything to stop any terrorist attacks as the attackers came here and did everything legally. They must have had a bill prewritten in some form just waiting for shit to go down. Cheney also predicted exactly what would happen if we invaded Iraq years earlier, but was gung-ho to invade when he saw americans were willing to go to war with literally anyone the government pointed their finger at.

That sad thing is I kinda expect another terrorist attack in a few months to save Donald's presidency.

You know what, these day I could believe that.

bush was behind the desert storm