What do y'all think of this?
en.wikipedia.org
I've realized in a 100% spooked country like the US revolution can only happen by attacking organized faith. Hard mode, try to prove me wrong.
Agnostic or atheist it doesn't matter. Unless leftist begin to show open disdain bordering on hostility for peoples organized spook cults, revolution in places like the US can't and won't happen.
kys idealist
No you don't have to go after organized faith, we must go after the reactionary Protestant and Baptist churches and mega churches. most prols are religious but not reactionary if you blindly strike against religion then your just going to alienate the proletariat.
Faith in the US, though still quite a huge force in comparison to other developed countries (>emblyig the US isnt turd world :DDD), is slowly losing traction. Compare the religious moral panics of the early 2000s, to the religious moral panics of the 90s, to the religious moral panics of the 80s. Every decade it has become weaker and weaker.
This. Liberation theology would be extremely effective among poor religious Americans.
Literally impossible.
Who said it would be blind.
Being an authentic atheist under postfordist conditions of production means being anti-scientific (in the best possible sense of the word). Smash the labs.
So, we should have done nothing against the rise of fascism or any reactionary ideologies as well because "muh material conditions".
I've no idea what you're getting at, please elaborate.
you have to take religious people into account. in some instances there can even be collaboration with priests. in order to make revolution you have to get those on board who aren't yet, not circlejerk with your elitist clique.
In many places in America church is a communal place as much as it is a religious place
Attacking someone's community is fucking retarded op and you've probably never been ina small town church
don't expect serious replies from black flag/an-nil posters
I hate those people with a burning passion. They are so perfectly subversive. My mom likes that faggot too.
trips are wasted on dumb fags like you
The most popular forms of atheism in the west currently are not atheist in any practical sense and are comparable to the second protestant reformation. They replace Christian eschatology with scientific development. Of course this eschatology isn't a modernist one where scientific development is conceived as emancipatory but is instead merely praised as the triumph of the status quo. The worship of science is the worship of the world *as is*, of the dominance of the present over both the past and the future. You can see the more advanced varieties of this in "simulation theory" popular amongst techno-fetishists and silicon valley capitalists which is essentially christian in everything but name.
kill yourself
I've come to have increasing respect for religion in society as a wing of social control, able to exhibit nudging without the authoritarian feelings one gets when the state does so.
If you want to mediate birth levels - for example - it's better to have the pastor cherrypick parts of the bible to justify more/less procreation than have the clunking fist of the state intervene, or leave people to their own random desires.
Combine it with some good old fashioned "Easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God." and parish-level organised beating of currency traders (did I say that out loud?) and one could presumably come to a very comfortable accommodation with god.
Well yeah, Stirner warned about that but no one listened.
I do a gree that new atheism is a cancerous meme, but I fail to see what does it have to do with science and labs. Just pack all the Muskovites into a rocket and send them to Mars like they want, burn down what's left, problem solved.
no point attacking organised religion while capitalism exists
will just be replaced by some other spook
fall on an icepick trotskyite
Sure, you might say that it's scientism and not science, however to purge science from scientism would be to effectively render it pluralist and destroy it as we know it. It's not like science is some neutral and ahistorical thing. Labs are an essential part of capitalist infrastructure.
So are factories. And both are used to create things that improve the quality of life of many people, even when operated in such a dysfunctional manner as they are today. Perhaps that's my (eastern) euro bias, as new atheism is mostly a barely relevant overseas fad here, but I don't quite see how destroying important infrastructure just to piss off some memelords is a good deal. Are you an anprim?
Well my working theory is organized religion is irrefutably the mother of all spooks. Thus annihilate it or pacify it the spooks go bye bye and leave an opening for socialism.
This is the problem you dunce, we're so fucking spooked in order to have a communal place it has to be religious. And yes I've been inside a church before and I fucking hate it.
But we have the basis to change the superstructure. Religion got fought back in many european countries.
I am also in eastern europe and you would be surprised at the traction it has in intellectual circles, though of course its usually not publicly announced. I think it's a bit naive to think of factories and other technology as somehow neutral, as if technological development was somehow unilinear. Factories, the internet, writing, etc are technologies developed through power relations and class struggle. I'm not anprim as I think they just read progressivism backwards, my position is a basic autonomist thesis. Postfordism requires constant connectivity and circulation so the only revolutionary option is interruption.
Huh. I guess I was right. No one has even come close to convincing me other wise. Now to destroy religion and make a workers socialist paradise. See, Holla Forums aren't you glad we had this talk?
...
...
Why are you spooked by atheism?
Your theory is dumb, OP. In a 100% spooked country like the US revolution can only happen with economic collapse, be it internally or by external factors.
Crushing the shit out of religion is still a worthwhile thing to do, I'll grant you that.