Capitalist here, I have a few questions I hope you people can answer me

Capitalist here, I have a few questions I hope you people can answer me.

Why do you folk put up with capitalist society if it sickens you so much? Why not emulate what the hippies attempted and create your own communities away from pic related? Why stay in cities where corporatism is most prevalent? Go find some land and practice your communist ideals and see what actually works and what doesn't. And if you squat on government land and cultivate it, if they try to force out a bunch of peaceful farmers from land that isn't being used for ay thing they'd look quite bad tbh. A lot of rightwingers would sympathize as well since a lot of us desire something similar, albeit on our own land with our family and not an entire community.

My second question is more of an extension of the first. I notice a lot of people that claim to be anti-capitalist support big corporations. Microsoft/Apple products, big name restaurants/coffee shops, entertainment products like video games and netflix subscriptions all seem to get the communist seal of approval. Ive even seen people defending the MSM corporations. Why is that?

The goal is to end capitalism, not simply to escape it. You can't smash capitalism when you're living in a shelter in the middle of nowhere.

I have literally no fucking idea what you're talking about.

the point isn't to create hippy communes, it's to change society

You can't. We would need land to farm, which we dont have since everything in europe is owned. We need to pay taxes to the capitalist state, the capitalist state disowns land of farmers constantly in order to build more of your pic related. We need medicine which we cant make in a shed, we need metal which doesnt exist in the clay soil we live, so need to get it somehow, which means we have to go to your pic related.

And even if we manage that, the government will break up the commune by accusing us of being druggies and doing the same they did to the hippies.

My entire country is urbanised. The surrounding 500km is all urbanized or farmed.

Where?

Yet this happens all the time and nobody gives a fuck

False
They don't. We just say there isnt ethical consumption under capitalism. Also pirating video games and movies is a moral duty of any person.

Because they arent communists, but liberals.

t. liberal wagecuck

Because utopian socialism got BTFO'd by Marx and Engels almost 200 years ago.
it isn't.

exploits the laborer
production is for profit not human need
imperialism
encourages greed
labor becomes a means not an end
insanely wastefully
destroys culture

Lifestylism is going change anything. As the other user said we want to end it not escape it.

Governments and/or corporations force people of their land all the time.
As long as your working the land and not using it to extract the surplus value of farmhands we are fine with you owning a little farm.

This argument is spectacular shitty. I mean I want to argue in good faith but god damn would it kill you to think about it for more than 5 seconds. Does driving on the autobahn make you a nazi? Where abolitionist hypocrites because their clothes came from cotton picked by slaves.

Indeed.
Quite alike no man is an island, can no society survive isolation without stagnation. No society, nation or commune, can be fully self-sufficient and advanced without either trade or global domination. Therefore in order to progress, must the commune interact with the surrounding world. This unfortunately requires either conforming to the rules of the surrounding capitalist society, running the risk of the ideal and execution being co-opted or made a quirky commodity, or breaking against its rule, ending as a ripe target for the government-held monopoly of violence. You see, they do not look lightly upon break-away regions nor whatever appears as a state of lawlesness from their perspective.

In addition I'd see it as a bit selfish and lifestyle-ish, not to mention a bit holier-than-thou, to focus on feignly liberating oneself, while the broken system keeps chaining the rest of humanity.

I actually really want to do this. It's just that the social pressure combined with my social ties and fears of the unknown that stop me from doing so. I'm absolutely sickened by capitalism's alienation and perversion of human relations. In the meantime I'm trying to smash capitalism as a whole.


Almost all things under capitalism are produced through capitalist modes of production, living in it you cannot survive NOT consuming its products. This is just a silly question tbh

Feudalist here, I have a few questions I hope you people can answer me.

Why do you folk put up with feudal society if it sickens you so much? Why not emulate what the Anglos attempted and create your own communities away from pic related? Why stay in the countryside where tithes and manoral dues are most prevalent? Go find some land and practice your capitalist ideals and see what actually works and what doesn't. And if you squat on noble estates and cultivate it, if they try to force out a bunch of peaceful farmers from land that isn't being used for ay thing they'd look quite bad tbh. A lot of rightwingers would sympathize as well since a lot of us desire something similar, albeit on our village community and not just for our family.

My second question is more of an extension of the first. I notice a lot of people that claim to be anti-feudalist support big landlords. Dukes'/Archbishops' products, big name landholdings, entertainment products like church theatre and art all seem to get the capitalist seal of approval. Ive even seen people defending the aristrocrats' town criers. Why is that?

Because you cannot magically will a different society into existence by acting like you already live in that other society.

The far left is not utopian, believe it or not. Our opposition to capitalism isn't moral, we think it's simply a mediocre system. Capitalists care more about masturbating to graphs than analyzing the exact needs of society.

I'm not a primitivist. I think industry is good for human race and I would l like to continue taking part in furthering it (I work as an engineer). I just don't like pointless waste of human potential, resources, and time.. There are about three threads right now that discuss market socialism, cooperatives, and other forms of gradually transforming capitalism, so I don't want to start that kind of a discussion here.

Sorry but you are beyond naive m80.

I don't have enough money saved up, and I live in Texas, where the land is cheap and the oil is cheaper.
Did you think at all before you made that post or did you think you were going to be clever by asking questions that nobody has ever posed to Holla Forums?

Socialism is not a utopian escape from capitalist society you fucking retard, it's a movement to appropriate its resources and productive forces in order to transition into a new society without wage slavery and production for exchange.

Capitalism is a global mode of production, you can't fucking escape it, and if your "socialist commune" somehow became relevant it would be crushed. Your naive mistake is to conceptualize capitalist economies as neutral agents, if that was the case we would be able to democratically elect communist governments already. Funny how those get blockaded and subverted in every way.

Literally read a book, you can start with Socialism: Utopian and Scientific by Engels.

Because forming communes doesn't allow you too escape capitalism. People in communes are still forced to engage economically with capitalism society at large. Self-sustaining communities are impossible.

Damn. That really does put things into perspective.

Because we want yer shit and we're coming to get it. This isn't irony either. You can go live in the woods when the revolution comes, if you want. We're here to get the whole package, not to be content with whatever you didn't get your hands on.

guaranteed lie

kek

YOU CRITICIZE SOCIETY AND YET YOU PARTICIPATE IN SOCIETY CHECKMATE ATHEISTS

Earning a wage doesnt make you a capitalist OP
Lmao

But we are paying our taxes so we are just keeping the bad capitalist system alive.

That still doesnt make you a capitalist

Do you own private property? which means any means of production like factories, real state, things where you can't extract surplus value from, not to be confused with personal property, which means things like your car, house, clothes.
If not then I'm sorry to tell you this but you are uninronically a cuck.

Fix'd

Yea but why support the capitalist system if we are against them? They tax on everything so no escape for the wage slaves.

why since USSR socialists copy everything from Capitalism

Immitation is sincerest form of flattery

they're being fattened, when the time is ripe we're gonna make foie gras.

Holy shit. Why is it that right wing numbnuts cannot read a wikipedia page? You do not know a single thing about what you fight against. The people you are describing are your garden variety liberal that was With Herâ„¢.
If you are a communist nothing mainstream gets your "seal of approval". Communists cannot be some CEO of a hardware manufacturer, communists cannot be an executive producer of Hollywood propaganda. Liberals are capitalists, just with trannies and coffee shops. Republicans are capitalists with trannies that are exclusively white and pass with Coors Light. Two sides of the same porcine coin.

Oh to be a naive illiterate autistic 13yo burger.