Why is drugs are so prevalent in leftist circles...

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Chemicals cooked in drugden are not part of anything "natural"
Weed might be thou

There is abolutely nothing wrong with most drugs, we're adults.

Psychedelics are potent tools for thinking outside of preconcieved notions. Molly usually has beneficial effects on the social fabric of communities; both benefit leftism in some way or another.
I can understand your sentiment for drugs like alcohol or cocaine though.

Drug use has completely decimated parts of America and I think a Communist party should tackle it.
Large scale drug production and distribution go hand in hand with imperial capitalism, like the Opium Wars, and it was Mao and Co. who eradicated decades later to their credit. Now it is the dregs of capitalist China who run methamphetamine cartels in the Philippines and gave rise to Duterte. Alcohol addiction within the Native American community is unusually high etc.

There is nothing worse than petty-booj individualists (a few in this thread) who go "dude just chill out, we just wanna enjoy ourselves. It's all natural bro!" without even thinking through the role or the history of drugs in forming capitalist society.

Problems with drugs are often a result of capitalism, rather than the drugs themselves. The over-prescription of opioids leads to heroin epidemics, people having to work insanely long days to make a living leads to an increase in amphetamine usage, the CIA pretty much selling crack to impoverished blacks lead to their neighborhoods getting fucked up even more and helped nicely into mass-incarceration of the poor.

There's a big difference between these systemic issues and smoking a bowl or cracking open a cold one with the boys.

Smoking a joint while I read this thread lmao

Such arbitrary lines. Nothing you said is an argument in any way. Your ideas about drug use borders on fantasy.

This is the crudest possible understanding of how calitalism and drug consumption interact. Capitalism divorces drugs by force from their cultural roles and makes them into commodities to be marketed, while making harmless drugs into tools of oppression. If you think you can fight addiction with prohibition you should inform yourselve and consider the origin of for example the recent waves of opiod deaths. We no longer live in the past, research chemicals open up a whole new spectrum or possibility and danger.

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Why would anybody revolt against their oppressors if they can just have a pint of beer of a glass of wine? Watch a film or read a novel? Dance at the club, grill burgers at a BBQ, go hiking in the mountains?

People smoke weed because it makes them feels good — it's really that simple and no amount of woke anti-fun rhetoric is going to change any of that. Prohibition leads to nothing but more crime, more policing and more addiction anyway.

I don't mind if someone wants to drink a little or have the occasional joint, but I see so many leftist burnouts and addicts. So fucking useless. And too much weed culture has you thinking "peace and love" which is counter-revolutionary. Spineless and useless. We'll deal with these wastes of humans, right after we deal with the banking class and nazis.

Its just a reaction to the material conditions, you wont get these people on your side by siding with social reactionaries and capitalists that used the drug war to opress the common prole and destroy any sensible drug culture. With legalisation of most drugs a lot of what is considered "drug culture" will go away and drugs will be integrated into culture in a sensible way.

Part of the problem IS "legal drugs" such as people abusing pain killers, xanax, ambien, adderal, etc.

Many drugs set people's mind open to new ideas, simply because they change people's perspective in ways.
This openness of people's minds can only be a good thing, especially considering the amount of people that are just so stuck in the current ideology.
Of course, it depends on the drug and the dosage.

Most of these are not legally aquired if abused, or they can only aquire them because the pharma industry encourages this. They are also highly addictive which is not the case for many illegal drugs. Legalisation does not mean free access and wild uncontrolled production, it means education and regulation. Also you have to look at who uses them and for what reason to understand the problem.

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Also people that do Meth dont vote. Most Nazis are edge or alcohol/pill heads in my experience

Wooo meth!

The opiate epidemic isn't natural though, it's engineered by the pharmaceutical industry and maintained with plain, old fashioned bribery of public officials. It's called the pill mill market these days.

Legal amphetamines are a non-issue–even illegal users are basically using them for their clinical function, just without any pretense of psychiatric problems that would get them a proper prescription. I have severe adult ADHD and take Adderall for it, it is absolutely legitimate as medication. Methamphetamine might pose a theoretical issue, but prescriptions for Desoxyn are extraordinarily rare.

Drugs are used by workers to dull themselves to the suffering caused by their placement in capitalism. Why there would be drugs in Communism, I don't know.

Because drug use for special events has been common to all cultures before capitalism too.

You're weak willed degenerates. You have to be high 24/7 to be an internationalist communist. Straight up.

Just because you're a joyless cunt, doesn't mean everyone should be.

Because drugs let you feel more amazing than it's possible to feel naturally, under any circumstance.

Communism won't have any similarities with those systems though, as such systems were worse than even capitalism.

Joy shouldn't be found in a bottle of whiskey or 16 cans of pisswater. It should be common and natural in a wealthy and prosperous society: the same society we seek to establish.

Drugs are perfect tools to develop community traditions around and to have festivities, the desire to get stoned or high is as natural as having sex. I dont know why it would be any problem to allow great parties under communism with save drugs and propper education.

Also if you die before having experienced the psychedelic flash you might as well die a virgin.

Primitive communism had people using fermented fruit. Some animals do it also.

Alcohol is pretty good at loosening social rules. Useful to allow yourself to party at parties.
Weed is also very nice to connect to people in a way you could only get if you'd be deep friends with people.
You can't have the mind-opening, practically spiritual experience LSD gives just by prosperity. Maybe only through years of meditation, but I'm not sure. It also makes people more creative.
And then painkillers. They're useful for, you know, killing pain.
But, the wealthy prosperous society would still be very useful for reducing and ultimately preventing addiction in people.

Why shouldn't it? You do realize one can enjoy beer, wine or whisky — right? Alcohol and drugs are just like tasty food, it's not just an evil ploy by the ruling class to poison our precious bodily fluids.

Soma should be free and distributed by the State.

In comparison to your very deep and nuanced understanding? "Drugs are commodities! Dey oppress da masses!" Yes yes very good. Yes we no longer live in the past and the old 'cultural roles' of petty drug production (for medicine etc.) have gone too. Capitalist production creates them on a scale never seen before and drugs now play the same role as prostitution in bourgeois society.
All the subversive element of drug society has gone and most pot smokers buy into the existing order because "they need their weed man" and current society can provide it them with regulated outlets and regulated criminal gangs.

Tackling the endemic drug problems and the criminal trade that goes with it should be part of any Communist platform. As it was with Lenin and Mao and it is not solely prohibition but part of far reaching changes. Mao has very strict drug laws yet very little addiction whereas Deng has the same drug laws and massive amounts of addiction.

I think it's because the left faces insurmountable odds and it's just hard to cope with that.
By providing a more realistic plan or path to success (or at least to move forward) that people can believe in.

You must be pretty comfortable to allow yourselves such fantasies. Back in reality we need all the discipline and strength our insignificant lives can muster in order to even have a chance against the systems that perpetuate capitalism. Prohibition sucks, and straight edgelords are shit, but you must realize we have nothing to celebrate.

Yeah, I don't think it'd be wise to say to comrades "no fun allowed for you", simply because they need discipline.
Discipline is useful for where it is needed, but outside of that, being able to relax would be extremely profitable to us, as this keeps stress at bay.

Not an argument.

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Discipline doesn't require you to be pissed off and stressed 24/7.

The bottom rung of the working class is associated with substance abuse for a reason. Sometimes the alternative is to lose your mind.

Protip: if you're not enjoying yourself in some way or another you're effectively wasting your life away. I'd rather have loose discipline and still take some pleasure in life than turn into in a selfless monk dedicating his life for a "socialism" he'll never get to know in his lifetime.

Drugs are all bad. Weed has shown studies to decrease your Autism Level any benefits are just made because porkies know they can sell and it. The government also wants the tax money.

Drugs are neutral. Most of you have no idea what you are talking about. Drugs come in several significantly different classes that should be treated completely differently.

The illegality of drugs, the black market, and capitalism are problems adjacent to but not inherent to drug use.

All this moralizing rhetoric about "weaning off" and unscientific assumptions about laziness and self control are based in a misunderstanding of addiction that is propagated by capitalist advertisers.

This is tantamount to arguing that recreational sex is degenerate or a sin or that people are fucking to escape reality. If you weren't so oppressed you would only want sex for procreation.

Do you think prostitution exist under communism?

The problems associated with drug use are:
1) fake news
2) capitalism

Educate yourself.

suburra.com/blog/2008/04/23/heroin-is-harmless/

All risks from heroin are shared with all intravenous drug use. Similar to MDMA almost all heroin deaths are polydrug combinations or synthetic adulterants, almost never exclusively pure heroin.

These are problems with cultural acceptance, healthcare, education, and the ability to verify the purity and consistency of product. People who can afford clean heroin and proper diet with access to healthcare almost never die from their addiction.

Maybe in a different world the same person who died last week on chinese fentanyl would have been a successful artist who only did USP grade Hydrophone with a clean needle. Maybe he only felt the need to do it once a month to inspire something divine inside him or simply because he likes it.

I'm not trying to endorse heroin but show you that even the "worst" drugs are not as harmful as the propaganda would have you believe. People don't shoot up heroin and drive drunk because alcohol and heroin turn them into demons, they do it because existence under capitalism fucking sucks. Smoking weed doesn't cause reefer madness. Tripping on acid doesn't turn you into a cup of orange juice.

If you fucks come after people for eating shrooms and smoking weed we're definitely going to have to tip our bullets with LSD.

Stop this nonsense.

George Bush and Dick Cheney are murdering your friends with tainted product for big pharma and profit prisons.

All true, but just having pure Heroin is not enough you also need to dose it correctly which impossible under the current circumstances as aldultering the drug is common.

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don't do heroin because capitalism will make sure it kills you

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Published on Nov 10, 2015
Graham Hancock - TEDx Talk - DMT, Life after Death & Consciousness.

Graham Hancock - The real widespread war the rages every day is a war not for anything more than our consciousness and it affects everyone under the top 1%.

Take hold of humanity by the balls and the mind and you've got them in a non real trap - supporting a system the kills and plots bloody murder each day and hides the tracks of it's existence to cover and distort the truth and to keep YOU from finding the simple answers to free energy and the simple answers to cancer cures and to keep you bound by the state affairs called 'the economy' that is completely manipulated.

A wise man once said - the devils greatest trick is convincing you that he doesn't exist. Most men and women today fall at the feet in Stockholm syndrome fashion begging for mercy to the lord money.

It's no wonder that life follows the events written out in the bible - for life is predictable and the cycles of it are also predictable - many people know more than we could possible hope to know about the reality we live in - as the events that occur follow the book to the word like a comical magicians tale - we buy into different factions of the same system, be it through science, religion, or history.

Money was never the solution and is fast becoming the demise of this planets eco systems and health for profit. Little do we know that we have enough food, we have enough resources and we have enough health to be able to achieve monumentally amazing feats of life if we worked together.

Unfortunately the entire system is designed to keep us from discovering any truth. Business is built on secrecy and without it - it could not survive.

The evolution of Open Source and Free Energy are putting a strangle hold on the system. While the top bankers of the world are committing suicide "being killed" we stand by and watch … as we've been programmed to do by fear mongering governments who constantly put out a barrage of fear each day in the air in forms of audio, sound and energy in the air.

Any person who is slightly spiritual will tell that fear in it's single powerful form is enough to keep you from experiencing almost all things spiritual or scientific.

The real human deficit is lack of human experience and lack of knowledge and lack of spirituality. The universe is a spiritual "conscious" thing, we are a mirror of the universe. We must align or be forgotten.

Understanding is easy if you have the ability to really questions your "knowledge" and "beliefs" … and have the balls to create new ones the SERVE the planet and that SERVE humanity as a whole.

Only then can we truly experience our greatest potentials that lay dormant and suppressed by thousands of year old science invented to do just that. Control the masses for the gain of the minority.

That's wrong though.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straight_edge

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Dr Gabor Maté - Why Capitalism Makes Us Sick

Gabor Maté is a Hungarian-born Canadian physician who specializes in the study and treatment of addiction and is also widely recognized for his perspective on Attention Deficit Disorder and his firmly held belief in the connection between mind and body health. He has authored four books exploring topics including attention deficit disorder, stress, developmental psychology and addiction. He is a regular columnist for the Vancouver Sun and the Globe and Mail.

radioproject.org/2013/05/capitalism-makes-us-crazy-gabor-mate-on-illness-addiction/

Humans have always used drugs, but current level of drug abuse could indicate a bigger problem that we’re driving people into addiction. What’s the connection between the increase in chronic diseases, mental illness and drug addiction in our society today? On this edition, Dr. Gabor Maté talks about the relationship between mind and body health – and what the rise of capitalism has done to destroy both.

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drugs have been an useful social lubricant since beginning of humanity, and their anti stress/anti depressing effects are vital to any society. also repression is a dead end

Drugs are integral to the human experience.

huffingtonpost.com/2015/02/12/prehistoric-drug-use-thousands-of-years_n_6622446.html

motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/533dy5/psychedelics-make-us-human-an-interview-with-the-mind-bending-techno-ecologic-scholar-richard-doyle

ancient-origins.net/opinion-guest-authors/drugs-ancient-cultures-history-drug-use-and-effects-006051

telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/3225729/Stone-Age-man-took-drugs-say-scientists.html

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recreational_drug_use
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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hallucinogenic_plants_in_Chinese_herbals
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychology_of_religion#Religion_and_drugs
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altered_state_of_consciousness
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shamanism
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peyote#Cultural_significance
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayahuasca
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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kava_culture
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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yerba_mate
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charas
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bhang
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tea_ceremony
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coffee_ceremony
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psilocybin#Early
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psilocybin#Spiritual
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salvia_divinorum

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Drug use predates humanity and will survive any change in the mode of production. To think this will ever change is utopian

Capitalism does promote unhealthy drug abuse but it does not preclude responsible use.

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Take your pergatin, Hans.