On the muslim question

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this is asked every single day and every time everyone answers no

kys nigger

i'm shitposting in a shitposting thread

who gives a fuck what you wrote in the op, kike

why do WE have to answer anything?
how the fuck is some obscure leftist board accountable to you, you fucking twat?

Rolled 2, 14, 13, 9 + 3 = 41 (4d14)
chek em

No to what? have read the fucking op?

Ok so there is no answer

This means attack all leftists?

You're right, pretty rude of him to respond to your fresh take with such a stale response

How do we pretend to move the masses if we don't have a solution to this problem?

thanks for gracing our board with your insights

The answer is you have no control over the migration of life to better resources. It's a fruitless endeavor and you should stop trying to stop the flow of life from one place to another because control like that is utterly impossible.

You should be blaming the forces that got us to this situation, which is NATO and Western Allied nations destabilizing secular regions and after even that the Afghanistan War with the Soviets, and our funding of the Mujahadeen which in turn, turned into the Taliban.

The entire war apparatus from which is the second largest payer in the market next to banking.

You just don't give a shit about these answers, and that's ok, they're difficult answers, and they're not answers you want. That the nation you live in isn't one you should be proud of and engineered the situation that continues to create refugees, but it is the answer.

You had no control over what the people in power did and the public's non response to it. Just like the public now, just like you now.

But nonetheless OP, it is the fault of people like you for both your inability to create an answer and demand them, and your inaction on what creates refugees entirely.

You don't like this answer, you ignore it, and you'll never accept it.

Let me rephrase that.
Oppose all those who - while claiming to be leftists - actually just fight for porky's goals and who attack anyone opposing porky's goals.

For one thing, the more people who leave ISIS controlled territory, the less tax money they'll be able to take in. And it gives leaves them with a smaller pool of potential fighters.

How is this even a problem for the REAL LEFT?

It is the complete breakdown of the nu-left and their bowing down to the neo-liberal hegemony. Haven't you seen how Blairite Labor goes berserk when Corbyn points out the hypocrisy of Britain selling weapons to Saudis and Turkey and then being surprised when terrorist nutjobs attack it after 2 foreign military interventions in Afghanistan and Iraq?

For socialism labor immigration is not the real issue when the primary stake at hand is the abolition of the bourgeoisie from the control of the state and the means of production that facilitates labor shortages, lowering wages, and artificially raising prices with the use of immigration.

Just get rid of sharia law and integrate them into whatever country they live in.

you don't have to let them in

They're already fleeing ISIS's enforcement of Sharia Law.

But I acknowledge already what You are saying as the truth. I know very well what It's the real fault to the problem. But I don't want to blame, I want a viable solution to the problem, I asked for a solution that doesn't do porky's goal. Where the fuck do I said that is their fault ? Half of what I said in op isn't even directly against immigrants but more against the consequence of them entering and fear that this will give an excuse to porky to continue to pull this kind of shit. I bet my dick that you and half of this people in this thread didn't even read op

I enjoy the situation. Globalism is in full effect and nerd virgins on anime forums cry about it.

European government only kisses economic migrants' asses for that exact reason: they are economic migrants. Without capitalism, they wouldn't even want to come to the first world to begin with. Reactionary Muslims hate being in Europe, what they like is the opportunities for unskilled labor and safety net programs; even if all they do is live off of welfare, they are benefiting the European bourgeois by buying commodities.

Regarding refugees, there is basically no win condition because either way you are relieving porky of the burden of his own agenda.

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Aren't some European countries try to recreate sharia law because for reasons I don't understand.

If you knew ANYTHING about the history of communism and anarchism you would know we are ten thousand times more pro-secular and atheist than any other political ideologies.
You're not here to argue in good faith, so fuck off.

That's nobody's fault but yours

There is no viable solution to the problem. You cannot have this situation and then deny entry to refugees which does not create more violence and which in turn does not stoke the fire of the military market, which post cold war again, is second to banking.

The problem isn't that we have no solution. The problem is you have no solution which is viable and want us to give you simple answers. That we just stop the refugees. That makes it even worse. The world was never that simple, and never will be. We don't have an answer you want to hear, so you suggest we have no answer. That is not true. We just don't have one that's acceptable to you.

Britain hasn't let anyone in,at least recently from the middle-east. But Britain along with USA, and France are the no.1 destabilisers in the region. So when refugee crisis hits they don't actually take any refugees, in fact Germany has taken all of the asylum applicants in 2015, the other have taken less than 10.000.

Yet nearly all of the terrorists attacks happen due to homegrown european born muslims being radicalised by the ongoing wars in the middle-east.

Let me guess, you're a burger? You should come to Europe sometimes, see how that shariah is holding up.
Stop reading Breitbart, the USA has 10 times more brown people than all of Europe combined.

This.

I agree, but I didn't open this thread to circlejerk about how capital is destroing everything and shit and it's not immigrants fault, I want to know a viable solution.

What the fuck you are talking about? When the fuck I ever said something pro religious?

repeat after me:
the working class has no nation
the working class has no nation
the working class has no nation

==That is literally your fault for refusing to even attempt to wrap your mind around the answers you're given.

You refuse them.

That isn't our fault

Didn't you know? A staple of Left-wing politics, especially on Holla Forums, is to want white countries mass diversified and for white people to be displaced and destroyed. Do you not like this idea, Comrade?

I'd have to see a source to respond directly. But keep in mind Sharia Law just means Islamic morals. The severity of the interpretation and implantation is where the danger comes from. I can guarantee no Western Nation (or any nation, really) wants ISIS's vision of Sharia implemented.

anuddah shoah NOW!

Porky is making internationalist dream into reality. Never interrupt your enemy when hes making a mistake.

Sure you can. Just don't let them in. It is cold, but you can certainly do it. I don't see the problem here, we fantasize about mass murder of reactionaries and bourgeois sympathizers, and many religious people will oppose the revolution on religious grounds if history is anything to go by, so they probably would've been exterminated in a hypothetical revolution anyway.

No one forced the Germans to let them in.

i don't want white people to die, all i ask is for is Holla Forums tears.

Again

You opened the discussion accusing us of a pro-mass immigration stance which we simply do not hold. That's arguing in bad faith.

Why do you suck so much dick? What do you mean you don't like it? Well, why are you sucking so much dick? When will you stop? Why should I suck as much dick as you do? Why do all people like you suck dick?

Not letting them in isn't a solution because it creates more violence and radicilizes refugees worse than letting them in.

Your fear is demographic shift and demographic shift is a something that has never been changed in the history of mankind, actually life itself, that hasn't been created by straight genocide, which engineers even more problems

You want to harness the powers of life and death but you just don't have that power and you never will.

Op here. I stated that I don't give a fuck about colours. I'd pay to have an Iranian girl

No you are saying what caused the problem, but not giving a viable solution.

No I don't, read the whole op

And I am saying what makes the problem worse, which is denyting entry which further creates radicalization, which in turn stokes the fires of the second biggest industry next to banking to create more war, and more refugees.

You want laws to solve your problems but the truth is laws just don't fucking matter when it comes to the immensity of the problems created

You do not want this answer, but it is the answer.

It is not I who has no answer. It's you. Your answer of "create a law that says no Muslims" just cannot stick. The powers you're trying to control do not obey simple laws and simple logic, they are powers of which man has never had the power to control.

It basically is. Even if it wasn't, that's hardly the point.

No I didn't, find a piece where I suggested that. I accused you guys of not having a single idea on what would be the possible solution and being scared of speaking of the problem for fear of being called reactionary.

Redundant you burgerclap

Subtext.

"Just make a law that says no muslims, if you don't accept that's possible I don't want to hear it lol"

We are giving you answers you refuse to accept

I'm a newfag in this thread and I dont really know what is the main consensus on this theme. But here is my opinion:

The Germans took the refugees for a variety of reasons, one is that Germany looks at itself a paragon of the liberal world order and had to do this to defuse the situation in Greece and Balkans.

Secondly Germany did this because it has a severe demographic problem that will inevitably lead it to labor shortages in the near future, while at the same time it needs more labor to sustain its large pension system.

If you want to blame anyone for this blame the porky industrialists and bourgeoisie of Germany.

The viable solution is to unite the Muslims and the European proletariat into a common anti-hegemonic and anti-bourgeois struggle, in both the middle-east and in the home front.

Muslims in France, Germany, and Britain stand more to gain from this as they are also proles, working the lowest wage jobs. One has to convince them not to play the Zionist/Saudi game of blowing themselves up for the benefit of these Zionists, but of actively liberating both the Middle-east from tyranny and uniting with the common european working class.

The solution is to fight back ISIS. As it is they are on the edge of collapse. One they are neutralized most of the migrants will want to return home. (Although the longer they stay in Europe the more likely there'll be some who want to adopt a new land.)

It's gonna be the same as always: secularism at the barrel of a gun. Organized religion is cancer.

Not this is a fucking answer I like. But don't you think that this will radicalize them even more

No you fucks, first I specifically called the other religion present in this continent excellent as islam at his peak.
Second as much I don't like this fuckers what I fear the most about integration is that if they do well, capitalism will continue this game(petrol wars) because "EHY YOU CAN GO TO EUROPE NOW THEY WILL TREAT YOU WELL".

I said excellent

Fucking word filter.
But

And what do you think will solve the problem.

That's not an actual answer BECAUSE it doesn't work, and will not work for reasons stated above you continually ignore.

Again answers given are not answers you actually want to hear

The Japanese would be shocked by this assertion.

Unfortunately, this is currently the case.

Everyone knows why there are angry Muslims all around the world. It's much easier to simply limit my exposure to radical Muslims than to try to stop the US from bombing people in the short term.

Sure there is, don't let them in. Poland has settled basically none, correct? You're just asserting that sending them back is mean, not that it's impossible.

What do I care if I am, say, Poland, and don't have any to begin with?

I don't care about a demographic shift, I want to avoid getting blown up or shot at by an angry Muslim. Do you think I really care about immigration from China, for instance, or even a non-Sunni country like Iran? Not really.

Your simple questions beg complex problems you don't want answered

The Japanese aren't involved with this the way main NATO and closely regional nations are. Japan is far away, and does not send the military around the world to bring the market from not collapsing.

That is Europe and the US. And it instigates these problems with people like you who vote for simple answers that cannot possibly be found.

You're been tricked into refusing the answer that you fucked up and there is no answer that can satisfy you.

Integration isn't going well at all in Europe, US is much of a better sucess story with the Latinos, despite all the crime, the latinos have integrated much better due to the fact they had to suffer under much worse working conditions , giving them an entrepreneurial spirit and a deep desire to join the white american petit bourgeois. On the other second generation Muslims face deep unemployment and lack of specialization in their jobs, essentially dooming them to be kebab store owners.

While with Le Pen you don't get this good cop bad cop routine the US plays with the immigrants (see porkies that want to turn the US into silicon valley, like Peter Thiel). There is certainly the realization in europe that Muslims used as a permanent underclass is untenable, so a turn to Putin/Erdogan like capitalist capitalist autocracy isn't unlikely at all.

I don't vote. But suggesting that you can't largely solve the Arab/African migrant crisis is delusional. You're just asserting that it would be immoral to take the measures needed to stop them and that Euro countries have a responsibility to rescue them, or that the current leadership is unwilling to do it. However you feel about this assertion, it is vastly different than saying that it is a physical impossibility to remove most of them and prevent more from coming.

First, militarize the border with Turkey to prevent crossings. Second, stop offering benefits packages to new refugees and officially end the policy of resettlement. Third, implement patrols in the Mediterranean to forcibly return migrant boats to Libya or Morocco. Fourth, deport boat people and border jumpers.

Latinos aren't spooked by Islam, for one.

You are not discussing with op

You can just not in ways you want.

I am asserting it is actually impossible given the circumstances.

I am not arguing on ethical grounds, I am saying that the alternative is to create a situation that can only make the Pentagon lick its lips.

Look it's trying to imitate me

That's nice

I wasn't trying to insult you by calling Europe non-white and I hate Breitbart.

So basically, you're saying the problem can't be solved without enabling the Pentagon, so the right course of action is to either keep letting them come or just start the revolution already, right?

Very few are coming from ISIS terrorists, somewhere between 10-20% are from Syria+Iraq. Even those can wait in Lebanon or Turkey till ISIS gets crushed.

More likely to be Sunnis fleeing from Assad, but regardless, still 80-90% africans.

I think they are bringing in the Migrants to bring down wages and conditions.

The sharia courts are only for islamic civil affairs like marriages, divorces, inheritance, property dealings etc.

Do you have a solution that isn't

1) "Law saying no muslims (see Pentagon)"

2) Law saying genocide muslims (see Pentagon)"

No, you fucking don't.

That has never been implied ITT. The point is that it's insane to assume that the desperate immediate action you're calling for won't have possible long term consequences that might end up achieving the opposite of your goals.

If humanitarian sentiment dies out or becomes moot in Western nations, porky will have a free ticket to imperialize the Middle East as much as he likes without pretense making things complicated. There is no way this will result in anything short of catastrophe.

All he was trying to point out is that you want a simple straightforward answer to a complicated issue laden with ethical gray areas.

The obvious, and cold, solution for the EU is to simply deport them, shut the metaphorical door for 30 years or so, and then peek in to see who is still alive, with little regard for whether or not it pleases the Pentagon. As long as there is a Pentagon, there will be Muslim wars, and the fun in the Middle East is only getting started - there is still a war with Iran to be fought. Not to mention the incoming African population explosion, which will provide a huge recruiting pool for Islamic insurgents in the coming decades.

Also see

Jesus fucking christ leave you abominable dumb shit

Are muslims the most hated people in world after tha jooz?

That's Holla Forums

There is zero doubt that the US will attack Iran under Trump, they have been positioning themselves to do so for awhile now. Saudi Arabia could well have a civil war in the near future. Algeria will in all likelihood have an Islamist uprising when the current President dies. That's just off the top of my head, and who knows what could go down in the rest of Africa. It would appear that the world's Muslims, even when given refuge in Europe, resent them for support for ongoing wars against the global ummah (which is not really an inaccurate assertion) and tend to engage in terror attacks. Assuming you can't stop the Pentagon from ending its Muslim wars, how many EU citizen lives is it justified to sacrifice to terror attacks in order to rescue people from the Islamic world?

For all people in this thread saying "Why you let them in?" this is a map of europe. Even if you wanted you simply can't BILD A WUOLL

You don't have to build a wall, just stop offering resettlement benefit packages and turn boats away. By reducing the influx to a manageable level, you can resettle people fleeing actual warzones while preventing yourself from getting flooded by economic migrants.

LOL

That's what we already do you blithering idiot.

Don't the economic migrants just pretend to be refugees?

Why do you talk about issues you have such a non understanding of and just say "Buhhh why don't we just not let people in" "Buhhh why don't we just support the wars that do create refugees" "Buhhh but what is a refugee"

Why don't you fucking read what you disagree with already jesus damn christ

Wonder why Libya is the way it is

The world

Will

Never

Know

No? They send the people from West Africa back, and they process the actual refugees.

spoken like a true fascist, as your flag would suggest

Plus mate what the fuck you can't kill all those fuckers. The people we already have in will go apeshit

Case in point, you're an deeply triggering and problematic piece of trash that wants white people destroyed.

Made me kek for some reason

My god the LARPing is beyond my wildest fucking imagination.

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for example rt.com/news/330284-economic-migrants-eu-refugees/

it's RT so it's not US propaganda, but there are plenty of other sources on how easy it is to shred your passport in Turkey and pretend to be a Syrian fleeing war.

Where did I say that Libya's problems were due to anything other than the US, or defended the US's wars? Unless you have a plan to stop the wars beyond having the revolution immediately, the number of Islamic terror attacks can be greatly reduced by not allowing the vast majority of Muslims into the EU and removing the ones present illegally to the extent possible. Yes, a lot of Muslims will die. How many EU citizens should die to save Muslims, assuming that terror attacks will be an inevitability?

I forgot to add that the US can't run out of money, which makes it much harder to stop the American war machine.

You support the complete extermination of European genetics. You're worse than everything in that picture.

They are not so common as it seems. Imho is not much that the problem, is more the everyday life type of things. Example the rapes in sweden: Yeah they have a really large idea of what rape means, still immigrants don't help. They don't respect their idea of sexuality. And this is dangerous.

Not only I support complete annihilation of white race but I support gay pedofilia and I do think that white people should give the boipuccy to thirsty muslisms. We should also tax sex between whites and pay our girls to have sex with immigrants.

btw w.hite genocide didn't happen, the numbers are exaggerated and the whites deserved it

I'm memeing dude

Case in point. This is why most white people hate Lefties.

me too

Neither of you know what a meme is.

a meme is when someone from Holla Forums is wet with tears and shows it on the internet.

Not even close.

pretty sure that's it bruh i just read the definition on my Dictionary of Very Important Things.

Not even close though.

I don't know because I don't know you. Why do you assume I know your predilections and what you value?

Read the whole thing you fuck

pretty sure that's it bruh i just read the definition on my Dictionary of Very Important Things though.

a thread died for this piece of shit discussion
a point of light in this miserable world is gone and all because some polyp wanted to take a dump on mooooooosleeeems

Leftists are fem brained cucks bending over for their Saracen conquerors.

it's worth it though because you'll suffer the consequences too

We will win.

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abdul is fucking your gf and your white friends don't want to have kids because it's retarded. it's over.

Reconquista is coming Abdul and his Jewish enablers will be pushed to the sea

This site gets worse by the minute.

This comprehension of memes explain why the left is so bad at producing memes.

usdebtclock.org/

Tick. Tack. China will ask for its money to come back.

You shouldn't want them. No one should. The immigrants who are coming are not poor, they are rich in their homelands. The proletariat of the middle east are the ones being relentlessly shredded by machine guns, decapitated by mindless zealots, and thrown in the rape harems. These whelps, these petit bourgeoisie, they flee the oncoming revolution against their holy kingdoms.

Pic related: the variety of reasons. If things continue the way they are, there will be 20 million Germans left in two generations.

Because Germans are taxed to death, the time of work needed to pay for a home tripled, the cost to raise and educate a kid is off limits, marriage is a death trap, individualism is pushed hard into everyone's head and everything that is not immediate pleasure is mocked.

They don't make kids because they can't.
They can't because porky want more money and don't care about the needs of Germans.

But porky also need a constantly increasing population to keep the housing market high and get a cheap, divided labor force.

For an unknown reason, the left fight for porky on this one.

Have an old infographic related to this "Syrian" "refugee" "crisis". Not even half of them come from a country at war.

Wahhabism is the only way to socialism tbh

ISIS get its money from direct donation from billionaires, from indirect military donation from the US and the EU and by selling oil to Turkey. I don't think they even raise taxes, and just so you know, there was 70.000 ISIS fighters at the peak of ISIS and about 5 millions refugees just for Syria and Iraq.

Give them a gun each and send them back home.

You're afraid of women and black people so how are you going to "beat women and black people"

And you're really not popular at the moment as well so

You and whose army?

The USMC, the Army, the Air force, the cops, the militias, the oath keepers, the hunters, the preppers and even the biker gangs.

Who do you have on your side to achieve your revolution? You have the Mexican cartels, the black gangs when they are not busy looting a liquor shop, and who?

Even roof Korean are on our side.

So I'm against muslim immigration because they are intolerant and right wing. I'm a tolerant leftwinger trying to create a tolerant left wing home where I live. If they were asian and shinto and intolerant and right wing or white and christian and intolerant and right wing I would not want to let them either. I'm not opposing them coming here because they're brown or musilm, I'm opposing them coming here because they are intolerant and right wing. I don't want even more right wingers voting in my elections or intolerant biggot walking on my streets at night. We have enough of those already.

HOLD UP.

So what your pic is saying is that the best way to destroy America…..

is to elect Bernie Sanders.

BERNIE SANDERS 2020

I like how edgy internet right-wingers get revealed to be milquetoast cuckservatives and lolberts with even mild prodding. So much for the anti-establishment right

After reading through some of the first posts i realize this is just a board of trannies and faggots sitting in their moms basement, no real worldview, disconection from reality and human nature and fetishizing 200 year old jews who never worked in their lives.

True about the causes, wrong about what can we do about it. If the people was in control of their country and responsible for it, first they wouldn't have destroyed the ME but most importatly, there would be an army patrolling borders not letting anyone in, specially people who hate you for having bombed their countries. The agenda is different here, its not a natural flow, since the flow was created and it can be cutted.

my moms house doesn't have a basement

checkmate reactionaries

What kind of retardation is this, Islam has been for centuries at war with Europe and today the war is velied but still there, the way to keep them out is very simple, send the army to patrol the borders and shoot on sight.

Its all very beautiful on paper, but real life and history has demonstrated that race is a bigger divider than "class", so we will have an ethnic/religious war withing Europe before we get to "unite" to change the system. Thats why they are in Europe, its a win/win situation for the powers that be, and you are just delusional.

Industrialists and bourgeoisie? what is this the 19th century? Its banks-media-politics that decide, turd.