Post-Modernism

This tbh. Marx rejects modernism. Marx presents an alternative to modernism. Postmodernism is largely a reaction to all the known alternatives to modernism failing in the 20th century. Reading Marx as a postmodernist is ahistorical.

Why is post-modernism so closely associated with neoliberal idpol?

Pretty much this. Post-modernism is basically the coward's argument.

When the Materialist approach of the USSR appeared to be failing in the 80s and 90s the left started to get pretty kooky in different ways. The US government would encourage this kind of behavior whenever the left started to gain support and they'd eventually die down again.

Habermas was on the money when he called Focault "a young conservative"

towards the end of his life he started to shill for neoliberalism and supported the Ayatollah and Iran

Not my comrade.

… What?

Post-modernism is when a women of color with an Islamic head scarf is the new porky, and there are mandatory diversity quotas at your workplace, while Buzzfeed-tier idpol propaganda becomes the standard narrative in term of news.

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jacobinmag.com/2014/12/foucault-interview/
inb4
just read the article

This kind of post is the exact reason why I started this thread.

A definition which is often used, broadly from Jameson´s critique I believe is that post-modernism is a "skepticism towards metanarratives". Marxism is a metanarrative,as is Christianity.

I like these two pic related as well.

the board for people who pretend to read is /lit/

Modernism started in the mid/late 19th century. Marx was def alive during the mid/late 19th century.

I will explain it in art terms

Modernism: the purpose of art is to create a work of beauty

Post modernism: "Like beauty is subjective mannnnn"- said quiet Jewishly

Don't you think the idea of female billionaires is kick ass? Capitalism empowers women, get over it.

Best desription I've heard is a category for the thought and art and all of these things that are trying to grapple with the failures of modernism. It's contemporary thought.

It's like the way you look back and say that the "enlightenment" had defining features of thought that were reacting to and grappling with the problems of the day. Post-modernism is just that, but it's harder to define because we are in it.

Of course, you might say that not ALL thought and art of the modern day are "post-modern". But you could also argue that many schools of thought or art that don't consider themselves post-modern actually kind of are in their contemporary manifestations. Even the ones that claim to be based on older, pre-modern traditions.

Post modernism is creating a painting with a fire extinguisher.

Post modernism is create art you interact with, or perform, or that is abstract.

Hot assertion.

Anyways, post modernism is pretty played out, all the plebes still talk about it while any 2deep4u guy is onto meta modernism, which is the age we entered the second those planes hit the towers.

where do i assert that?

Beauty is subjective, it is what brings a person pleasure.

The original purpose of art was to record history and culture. Then it became a commoddity and the philosophy of western art was to create a work of beauty.
Then post modernism came and now we make art for different reasons like the process, or the abstract, or the concept, or the performance

I have no idea what it is but I do know that anyone who calls themselves postmodern is a huge fag.

On the other hand I like some books/movies/music that other people call post modern so I guess the entire umbrella itself isn't bad by default I guess maybe.

Name 3 modernists that made modernist things in the mid/late 19th century.

was duchamp postmodern too?
Actually nevermind, don't reply, i know it's gonna be something about money laundering or some shit.

sounds great tbh

The idea of structure was largely emptied of content by postmodernism, leaving only a history of interpretations upon inherently meaningless signs. It's almost like Kantianism: the thing-in-itself is utterly separate from our perceptions. There is no way of knowing that thing, only how we think about that thing.

This results in an anything-goes approach to ideological situating of the subject: I can turn "race" or "gender" or "heteronormativity" into the structural/interpretive basis of society in general if I'm subjectively situated in society as if that one is the basis. There would be nothing beyond my subjectively posed base for me because that is how I've been subjectively situated (i.e. I feel this is the most important factor in determining who I am). That's why it's closely associated with identitarianism.

sounds grossly incorrect too, which is hilarious since he posted a renaissance painting.

the situation after modernism; the rejection of modernism.

In the historical sense it is an era beginning around the 60s and taking full force around the 90s.

In the philosophical sense it starts with post-structuralist linguistics claiming that meaning is not inherent in text structures and patterns but it is an interpretation of the reader and elaborate contextual networks in his mind-experience and cultural millieu.

From this a lot of jerkoffs came to argue that therefore objectivity and "meaning" is impossible and to be entirely rejected in favor of total relativism and subjectivism and meaninglessness.

Modernism was a rejection of old modes of thinking like religion and traditionalism and an attempt to find objectivity and absolute truths and progress in the absence of those old ideas.
Post-modernism is a confused mess because of its rejection of objectivity.

Modernism believes in standards of beauty > postmodernism "everything is art if I say it is"
Modernism believes in objectively better economic/political/ethical systems > postmodernism "multi-culturalism" "LGBTBBQ" "liberalism" "nothing matters/everything goes" "radical centrism"
Modernism believes in objective truth and science and is basically atheist > postmodernism "that's like, your opinion man" "don't think and critique, it's pointless" "meaningless babble = philosophy" "New age religions"
Modernism believes in progress > postmodernism "herp derp end of history" "eternal burger" "nothing will ever change" "can't imagine the end of capitalism"

There is a difference of course between critiquing modernism and rejecting it. Modernism never died, just that the would-be reformers of modernism were drowned out by the post-modernists. After the insanity of the past half century there is a resurgence of modernist thought in the mainstream because post-modernism has no direction and is an utter failure.

Marx was most certainly a modernist. Socialism is modernist. IDpol is post-modernist.

Late stage capitalism embraced post-modernism because it dissolves and absolves all contradictions. It is the commodification of philosophy, reality is the ever fickle consensus of the market.

It shall also be its undoing. It's clear we've reached peak post-modernism and the entire shit is unraveling.

Was Derrida the troll to end all trolls?

It's interesting that Nietzsche was already grasping the problems of post-modernism before modernism had run its full course and also foresaw the intellectual vacuum and despair it would bring: after the "death of god" and our failure to create a new one (or become one), would come extreme nihilism. He deconstructed the 20th century before it even happened.

not enough people realize this. it's the reason today's avantgarde art feels like a cheap ripoff of early 1900's avantgarde art.

derrida had a good intuition about language (it's difficult to know what written words mean because they belong to a different context than the one you as the reader belong; you're not having a direct conversation with the writer, maybe you're not even from the same historical period and this creates a fundamental divide between the two of you) and turned it into a complete shitshow. "Deconstruction" reads like a *chan post where some fag says that you're wrong because you used a word that used to mean something else 240 years ago, it's ridiculous.

The alt right

You don't have the faintest idea of what you're talking about, do you?

still waiting on them names btw.