If the IRPGF and other international leftist orgs are worried about rojava being co-opted by the US, Why don't they "do something" about it? im sure they see those spec ops guys all the time. Would be very easy to fight some real imperialists if they wanted to.
That being said, The YPG would probably disown them immediately and hunt down everyone belonging to that outfit as apologies to US.
fuck off
you're probably like jason and don't know the SAA is assads army and would mistake it for the FSA.
m8 pls. im a middle east thread/ syria general regular. i'm not a leftie, i've seen lost of you guys mad at the ypg recently, especially groups like the IRPGF making videos about "protecting the revolution"
All im saying, is that if they really wanted to fight imperialists, they could.
Because the whole argument is whether they should accept help from imperialist powers or not, and to what degree the help they accept even is imperialist. If "the YPG needs to do more to fight imperialism" was the entire argument than yeah no shit that would be the answer, but there's hardly a consensus on that.
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that thats a fucking retarded thing to say
i love these kind of pictures.
and the arab "MARTYR" posters with the badly photoshopped cropped guys id photo face on a background.
seems kinda pussy to say youre "against all imperialist, fascist and counterrevolutionary forces" but then not do anything when you actually see them.
Does the YPG central command actually recognize United States of America as non-imperalist/fascist whatever?
they also like winning and shooting fucking americans SOF when they're helping you makes no sense and you fucking know it.
So much for antifascist lol
what is "winning" to you guys? helping american interest in the middle east?
yes exactly
heres a map of the countries that have diplomatic missions of the united states in them. clearly OP thinks the best way to stop imperialism is kill agents of it so they should just rando start killing embassy staff because thats how we win, right?
Right, which is why the leftists that predicate their leftist ideology on their conception of imperialism are more likely to focus on the issue of imperialism in this case. Of course, my post was pointing out that there are people who disagree that there is a significantly imperialist element to what the YPG is doing in the region or disagree with that being the axiom on which to base their critique of leftist causes/groups, so those people will come to different conclusions. Pretty simple really
Yes, and the way to fight imperalism instead is to invite imperalist soldiers home where they train your troops and supply you with weapons.
Like imperalism.
It kinda gives it a bootleg revolutionary vibe to it all that's filling the void of shit quality propaganda left by the DPRK after they started marginally improving at it.
They're primary concern is building up a socialist project in the region, and they still are combating imperialist (Assad/Russia), fascist (ISIS), and counterrevolutionary (other rebel forces / Turkey) forces on top of that.
You seem to imply that everyone is happy with the situation with the US: few are. The YPG are well aware that their cooperation with the US is an act of desperation in the face of having to fight a now potential 3-way war. Hell, even the common Kurdish troops were well aware that cooperating with the US would likely fuck them in the long term back when PissPigGrandad was serving as a volunteer, and likely was known even before then if it was by that point a common evaluation. Given their lineage with the PKK (a formerly ML party), the YPG are not new on the block when it comes to revolutionary politics or understanding the dangers of imperialism. There is simply the recognition that failure to seek aid means the almost certain death of the revolution (along with likely genocide of many of the groups who found themselves a part of or allied with Rojava) while folding means there is at least the potential to salvage their progress when/if things settle down.
Do you ever trip seeing the world only in black and white? Seems like it would be hard.
there has always been this shame western lefties have when they discuss US involvement in rojava.
even Holla Forumss favorite western fighter pisspig tries not to mention it at all. even when he was explaining rojava on chapo trap house, he skips over the part when the US basically saves the kurds ass in kobane.
there is shame.
Nice try BO but I'm not falling for it
I mean, we basically see the world as a porky vs everyone.
uhm I'm pretty sure the YPG should have gone down fighting their noble cause in Kobane against ISIS (using shiny new American equipment) so they could pass some tankie's purity test which ultimately wouldn't have matter because tankie's actually give zero shits about imperialism and just want to find something to gripe about rojava and this is the easiest thing.
Makes it sound like the US is a scumbag boyfriend that the YPG keeps going back to despite her friends' warnings.
you mean like assad?
maybe her friend is a cuck that cant do anything for the YPG?
American here.
Next time when you update the "socialism never works" pic (you know the one with various short term regimes), never ever say the US tried to stop the YPG, cuz you know the moment the US stops the support, the YPG folds.
You should thank the US instead for propping it up.
rn the biggest thing the US is doing is telling turkey to fuck the hell off
how do you think they got pushed back to kobane in the first place? American generals are probably running the show via proxy as well.
are you actually from /r/scw? I bow to your military expertise. Clearly air power and more supplies wins everything thats why Assad quickly crushed the rebellion and Syria is happily united. Man the united republic of vietnam is so great good thing the US had superior air power and supplies! Instead of having a rational perspective on the aid from the US that clearly was/has been very helpful to the YPG and was a major turning point for Kobane we just gotta say that all the success of the YPG was due to the US aid. Lets forget all of the other groups the US armed much more heavily than the YPG will ever see and how they all failed miserably.
US helps YPG: current situation
US doesn't help YPG: kurds get exiled from syria and are curb stomped by erdogan and pisspig dies of a heroin overdose.
its that simple m8.
The viets were backed by USSR and china. the kurds had no one before the US. and airsupport is a lot more effective in the syrian desert than in the jungles of SEA.
saying the YPG would be nothing without the US is extremely fair. obviously the kurds have the will to fight, but that only gets you so far. and kobane was as far as it took them.
Alright, but explain how the fuck you can wage a war with only aircraft and basically no ground presence. Aircraft is only supplementary, the ground forces to the majority of the work. Somehow ISIS managed to get control over a fuckton of territory in Syria with everyone opposed to them and with no air force besides some surveillance RC drones with goPros attached. In a similar way, the Kurds would still be standing if the Americans didn't bomb shit. The majority of the work in Kobani and elsewhere was done by the Kurds, and there's no denying that. If the Americans fucked off from Kobani I'd wager that the Kurds would still win.
Nigga how? Do you not remember all those #savekobane campaigns? The kurds were fucking desperate. look at the live maps from back then. Water was coming in from the sides, ISIS pouring into the city suburbs.
exactly the kurds may have lost Kobane but they still had both Afrin and Cizare. You sound like a toddler american vet who was stationed in germany for a months in 1995 and thinks the US single handedly won WWII because of lend lease.
The Syrian kurds are not going to be exiled from Syria.
not anymore thanks to US ;^)
I don't get it. Do you know what you're talking about?
you also have to remember ISIS at this time. They really seemed unstoppable. They had taken much bigger cities than Kobane, like Raqqa, Mosul, Fallujah, etc. The YPG at Kobane before US intervention, even while being kneecapped by turkey and ISIS sending the chechnians with all their new humvees and tanks, were able to make ISIS pay a heavy price for each inch they took. Kobane was first wrench in the gears for ISIS even before the US intervention. Now socialists control 30% of ISIS' defacto capital. US or not we should be happy with this.
kurds were already fleeing to turkey before US stepped in.
TAF didn't help much at Al-bab because that battle was such a fucking joke.
and?
From ISIS.
I've read numerous articles from Pentagon mouthpieces like HuffPost and NY Times recently and in talking about SDF and Syria it's made explicitly clear that they want to get in and out of Syria with as minimal footprint as possible in the process of defeating ISIS. Time and time again the articles stressed that they're not in the process of nation building and will leave the issue of governance to SDF after they help them liberate Raqqa. The relationship is very much temporary and transactional.
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this is simple. it's all a matter of physical power.
Rojava can hold out longer with US equipment, soldiers. But yes without a doubt if they want to keep their communities & stay un-slaved they have to fight these US soldiers eventually. The US will without a doubt want to become a master, it has always done.
If they get owned they get cucked. Rojava is lost. This is similar to the current situation in Venezuela. Death to the rebels (Rojava) is the worst that can happen, siding with the US all the way through is absolute shit but they might survive & ofc there is supporting Assad but he is an autocrat (a master).
Best Rojava can do is use the US to an extent since they have technology & backstab them when all the pieces are in place. Rojava must not forget why they're rebels.
That's bullshit and I say that as someone who supports the SDF. The US is there to create a foothold in Syria, not to help Assad take back his country.
Everyone keeps assuming that the US is going to interfere and fuck everything up, when likely, like all the other radical groups they've supported, they don't give a fuck what they do or how the organize as long as they're useful. If Rojava can help US geopolitics in the region then the US won't care if it's Socialist or has a cooperative economy. Helping US geopolitics might have a heavy cost, but it's a cost they'd have to pay to someone, whether Russia, Iran, or Syria, assuming they could pay it to them.
They can't do that without Syrian and Russian backing. Otherwise, they'll just get leveled by Turkey.
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and yet their cables have been taking about regime change in Syria since 2006.
Regime change doesn't mean they want boots on the ground or in the air in Syria. They're own forces have only really operated on a significant scale baring agens and spec ops when ISIS gain ground in Iraq.
Because ISIS had armor, MANPADS, and AA guns.
There's a Ranger battalion there m8. Along with sf and seals.
Also a Marine artillery detachment.
are you aware of how tiny a detachment that is for the US?
A battalion is huge m8. There's probably more US troops in rojava than in Somalia during the battle of Mogadishu in 93.
It's clear that the US will establish a permanent Military presence there in exchange for backing an independent Kurdish state.
That's very recent, by enlarge as support for the SDF offensive on Raqqa. As in there to support the fight against Daesh, which has been their sole motivation for direct involvement in the form of boots on the ground and in the air as I have said. If they want to confront the Government they'll likely go back to relying on Proxies without direct military support. It's really not worth risk, they can get away with it because they're there focussed on fighting Daesh.
The US has threathened to cut funding to Peshmerga if they declare independence from Iraq, and have said multiple times they are against KRG independence. By all accounts Peshmerga and KRG are better and more longstanding allies of the US than Rojava and the YPG, yet it's still heavily opposed to their independence. So what makes you think the US is backing an independent Kurdistan?
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A single battalion is actually not that big. And the PYD, which is the dominant political force in Rojava, doesn't even want an independent Kurdish state to begin with (or regime change by force for that matter).
Getting rid of the PYD might be something they'd want in the long run but that will take a lot of effort with a lot of if's on the long term depending how the war develops.
Relative to the entire military? Yeah. It's tiny. But their deployment is an obvious sign of escalation of involvement in the conflict and the US doesn't have a stellar track record for keeping mission creep in check.
That was Obama pre-ISIS policy. With the massive failure Iraq has been, US opposition to Assad, and the pivot of Turkey against the US after the failed coop, The US needs a new legitimate partner in the region.
al-monitor.com
no it's a very recent policy actually
A battalion is like 5-800 people ish
500 stronk mechanized ranger battalion is worth like 20,000 tbh.