Public Opinion check

I don't think anyone unironically does. People who support YPG like them despite US support, not because of it.

I am confusion.

Why do you, out of all things, ban people with some strange measure of "imperialism isnt bad", yet allow many other much more cancerous posts to occur?

nope

Also, with all the batshit and retarded opinions people have on various issues I find it odd this is the one in particular you're banning for. No matter how you look at it the war in Syria is complex and there isn't exactly a "good guy" to support. Everyone side is making shady deals or happens to be shady themselves. Really sounds like a an excuse to shut down discourse.

You are supporting an imperialist power to some degree no matter which side you're in favor of. Even though Assad is a lesser evil compared to American backed Jihadists I don't see how he's in any way better than the SDF. Both Assad and the SDF are backed by imperialists so supporting either side should be a ban by this logic.

I get BO's concerns regarding the YPG to an extent: the ongoing cooperation with the US does leave them extremely vulnerable to being used as nothing more than a tool to further US goals in the region. I think that, given the track record of the PKK/YPG in the past though, I doubt they'd abandon their ideological principles without a fight if the agreement with the US goes tits up (even if it ends up being a lost cause).

That aside though, from what I've seen of BO's posts in that thread thus far, the implication being made seems to be that Assad is inherently anti-imperialist regardless of Russian involvement in his government. From what I've seen thus far, the target of anti-imperialist rhetoric by the BO seems to be towards the supporters of the YPG primarily and the bans in question have been likewise targeted at those posters. If a rule against "imperialism" is to be enforced (which I think is a bad idea on its own), then the elaboration of "you can show your support of the YPG/SDF so long as you denounce US imperialism" seems rather biased considering those who express support for Assad don't also have to preface with "…but we denounce Russian imperialism."

I think it was bad enough that the Rojava general had its cycle removed, but I understand that a more general Syrian conflict general offered a better platform for the users to figure out where they stood on these matters. Trying to integrate that sentiment into the rules seems to be a bit hamfisted though, and the way it's being implemented (there being a lot of grey area as to what constitutes "imperialism") leaves a lot to be desired. The way this rule is currently being enforced, try as it may to be impartial, is taking a stance of anti-imperialism for one side of the conflict only.

The ban does not go far enough.

Any criticism of Assad, his actions, his policies and any repetition of CIA propaganda should be permabanned on sight.

There have been too many CNN/FSA dogs on this board and it's time for a purge.

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Stop having uruhe-tier black and white opinions BO. Military support to the YPG is a strategic alliance that benefits the YPG in that it gains military support and the americans that it drives back ISIS.

Also americans and imperialism arent synonymous. Russians are imperialist too, so is china. Every capitalist nation state is if its allowed to and every european one has been or still is. France still has power over regimes in africa, etc etc.

I support the creation and advancement of realistically functional, sustainable, and authentic socialist polities. Anywhere in the world, organized by anyone, accepting whatever aid will ultimately result in their success.

I don't care if that means Iran, Russia, America, or Israel (literally all four of whom have been proven to have accepted direct military aid from all four of each other at various times overtly or covertly under their current governments).

I care about victory for socialism, nothing more, absolutely nothing less.

This post would be a lot more funnier if tankies didn't think like this IRL

No. Do you support Russian intervention in Syria in any form? What about Iran? Literally no one in Syria isn't being backed by imperialists so if apologists for American imperialism get banned I want the Russiaboo Assad supporters banned too. There is no imperialist power worth supporting. As communists the only struggle we can support is that of the working class against the bourgeois powers leading them into pointless conflict.

Then ban all the pro Kurdish rats from Holla Forums if you are really compromised with being ideologically consistent.

I'm against bombing civilians, and that's what the Syrian government is doing, with barrel bombs. I don't know when the Voice of America got into my head and brainwashed me into thinking using inherently inaccurate munitions on densely populated areas was a bad thing, but that's what I think. I generally believe dropping one ton of c4 onto a busy city market is worse than not doing that. In the words of the person you banned, it's the way they are being used that is criminal (protocol 1 of the Geneva convention)

she's actually banning people. start believing it.

IMPERIALIST

Forgot to add:

Having rules against personal positions within leftism is reddit tier, and if you choose to enforce them, the board will go down in quality dramatically. People come here precisely because every position is allowed. Banning people for having certain opinions is the same thing that makes reddits left boards impossible to use. Stop it.

While I also get mad at certain people for saying stuff I disagree with, it is not ground to ban them.

Propagating the ludicrous notion of Russian "imperialism" should also be a bannable offense. It is de facto apologia for actual imperialism.

inb4 b& for imperialism.

Then OK. As long as you are clear about your opposition to all US involvement in Syria, you don't have to worry.

This is an example of an argument that I won't ban.

It's not required for all discussion. If you're just talking about YPG fights against ISIS, you don't have to paste an anti-imperialist statement. It's specifically people arguing that it's ok that the US is intervening in Syria via Kurdistan.

This is why I've been unironically referring to Holla Forums as the 5th International.

lol, he got banned.
check the logs, the mods deleted it.

saved

Why are you imposing your views on people?
Who cares if he disagrees with you? Get over your messiah complex, you are a janitor on the internet.

I don't know what you are shitting yourself over to ban people about, but smarter people than you can decide if someone is full of shit or not. The board doesn't need your coddling, you're just excusing stupidity for fanaticism like Holla Forums does.

We already have that. Asserism and Zionism have been banned for ages. So is pro-imperialsm now.

is socialist Zionism banned?

So much for the so-called "tolerant left"

really BO? I think imperialism is a problem but there are legitimate theoretical debates over it.

Welcome to the slippery slope of moderator power trips, where it stops, nobody knows.

look he already said he won't ban people for that just trust him and stfu already

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World-systems_theory

learn theory bruh

theres no possible way this will end up splitting the board harder than that icepick split leon's skull

What's the difference between nazbol and Asserism?

This anti-imperialist line is absurd if one more race realism thread is allowed to stay up.

reality.gn.apc.org/polemic/imper.htm
I guess all the Cockshottists are banned to /gnussr/ now

No need to discuss on a discussion board when you can just delete the opinions you don't agree with away.

Pro-Israel Zionism. I don't care about your snowflake non-Israeli Zionism.

There are topics to debate about imperialism. I'm not banning people for saying China or Russia are imperialist, even though I disagree heavily. What should not be up for debate is opposition to imperialism.

On here, little to nothing. We have been banning unironic fascist Nazbols for a while now.

Sorry we can't catch every thread.

If they agree with that article, sure.

guided bombs aren't really guided and are still shit that kill tons of civilians but thats besides the point

Are you joking? Just because the US is the biggest baddest imperialist power in the world doesn't make Russia and China any less imperialist. I was sick of this thread and wanted to stop posting, but this line of thought is disturbing on multiple levels and I need to know if you're serious about this. Honestly coming across as a bigger imperialist apologist than any of the naive/stupid SDF supporters.

Who cares?
There is no allegiance to this board.
Cynical garbage that just ruins discussions.

You're just exchanging actual discussion for fanatacism.
It's obvious this isn't a popular decision but BO doesn't care.

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Yeah, I was the guy who got banned calling her out for the callousness about barrel bombs she showed in the other thread. sorry you got banned. I know it's not my fault though. I'm posting on tor now, lel. I don't see why they would ban you though, surely your post history would validate you.

Well I suppose we'll never know because you just delete their posts.

She cares enough that she is censoring posts and hiding which posts have been banned.

What exactly do you think mods do?

Enforce rules agreed upon by the community with transparency and clarity?

Are we /r/socialism 2.0 yet?

treat people like children and get in the way of their discussions?

Tread lightly and admit when they've fucked up. Also explain why you deny Russia and China are imperialist powers.

they haven't taken our catgirls…
yet.

Normally on here you and the other mods put a big red text under their post saying "USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST" or some kind of remark. You know, enforcing the rules transparently so that people can see what the other person did to deserve being banned.

This doesn't seem to happen on this particular topic. Nope, any dissenting posts get deleted with no acknowledgement or explanation of what they said that contradicts the rules. But it's pretty obvious what they said that contradicts your opinions.

Still better than /r/socialism, but we're quickly heading into the territory forums like Revleft went in minus the liberal idpol.

That has never happened here. What has happened is that I've enforced rules very sparingly with little discussion. That's what I'll continue to do. Once these threads die down, I doubt there will be more than a few bans a week for this rule.

The board log and ban log are stickied. I almost never do in-thread ban messages. That's up to preference.

We dodged a bullet there too, the mods tried some shit there earlier.

Haven't been on Revleft in 5+ years so I don't have a clue what's been going on since.

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The point stands. Where were these posts saying imperialism wasn't a problem?

Thus far I don't think any of them did that despite you saying that's all you'll ban people for.

Here is a handy map for everyone to avoid being banned when discussing imperialism.

but israel is in the white

What a bunch of shit, go suck a dick BO.
You're going to keep doing this shit until newfags come in and replace the people you're keeping down. Each new rule is another step and there has to be a line somewhere.

That line shouldn't be your feelings because you lost an argument.

By posting this map, do you mean to imply that imperialism is not a problem, or that NATO should not be opposed?

Reminder that Putin was praised early on in his reign by the West for supporting neoliberal reforms. You're dumb if you support "anti-imperialism" today, brain damaged if you support Russia on those grounds. It's a gangster capitalist shithole.
"no"

You're being r/soc-tier right now, and unmaterialist to boot. You're destroying something unique, even beautiful, here - one of the last true places of free discussion on the Internet and a potential starting point for class consciousness. Holla Forums memes are finally reaching Facebook. Socialism is more popular than ever among the youth. You want to throw away all that's been built over the years because you disagree with a few people?

For all the criticism of "vulgar anti-idpol" floating around here lately, I've actually been seeing a lot more idpol than in the past (it used to be shouted off and it didn't come back - this isn't happening anymore, it just keeps piling up) and the according reaction. I rarely, if ever, see anyone supporting social conservatism unironically. You "vulgar anti-idpol" people are doing the right thing, don't let yourself be gaslighted by SJWs.

You do realize that this was intended to make fun of you and it still works great that way, right? Or do you not want to hear that because you want to have your nice daddy-Stalin-protect-me anti-imperialist hug_box? Disgusting. Only a matter of time before you start looking the part too and don blue hair like a Twitter tankie. Is race a "structural class" now?

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take a chill pill my dude
if you thought police you will turn this place into a joke like /r/soc

He's making fun of you for opposing western imperialism while at the same time backing Russian and Iranian imperialism.

I think you're missing the point. The implication of the map is that imperialism doesn't just stop with NATO and its allies, and that the "line" that divides "imperialist" from "anti-imperialist" in the minds of a lot of tankies is based on Cold War geopolitics that have drastically changed in the post Cold War era. It's in the same vein as pic related.

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Of course not BO, I just want my Holla Forums comrades not be confused by something so simple as when oppression is okay.

I mean, look at the map! It's LITERALLY black and white.

the situation in syria is really complicated, and I'm getting the feeling that BO doesn't understand half as well as they think they do

Are you actually illiterate? Read the fucking picture and stop acting like a retard.

Same to this picture. Do you support the US genocide and subsequent occupation of Korea?

I really don't want that to happen.

I guess the message is the US has the MOAB, so dropping barrel bombs is a valid strategy?

Do you support North Korea?

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No one said they did. Are you a literal tankie?

It was real socialism this whole time
BO has finally opened my eyes

Calm down, take a few minutes to breathe, maybe watch an episode of Nyanbo or three. Just because people like the YPG and SDF does not mean that they also like 'murrican imperialism.

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youtube.com/watch?v=SzTC31JA7DY

Laughing my ass off tbh. I posted in a lot of age of consent threads here debunking the fearmongering, anti-freedom propaganda of the American media that too many supposedly progressive people still believe. When the mods here started anchoring all our threads, we told people they wouldn't stop there, but you didn't listen. You pretty much deserve this.

If you don't support imperialist aggression against NK or the rest of the world, I'm not sure why you would post pictures mocking opposition to it. But I ask because I'm not banning you for those dumb pictures.

Personally, I'm for the immediate removal of all US forces and US-installed politicians from SK, and a negotiated re-unification on the terms of the two Koreas alone. But I guess that's just reddit talk.

The MOAB was a guided missile.

And if you don't agree with that, well I guess you're shit out of luck.

I support efforts to overthrow the North Korean government

While I seriously disagree with banning any ideology, at least people actually identity as Zionists or *Strasserists, no one fucking identities as a pro-imperialist, therefor it just becomes a vacuous term to label people with the wrong opinions. This board is much bigger than you, and any moderation should be for the sake of the board and with the approval of the board, it shouldn't be you making your opinions law while stunting down ones you don't like.

Why, because you don't fucking like it? Regardless, absolutely no one here supports imperialism.

Help maintain discourse by removing spam and warning/banning shitposters or trolls?

It's crimethink, but regardless, it certainly seems to be going this way.

Stop acting like a fucking inquisitor.

The success of this board and the reason so many people enjoy it is precisely because of its light moderation and willingness to discuss any political subject and ideology. You're going down a very dangerous path that leads to something like Holla Forums, where the wrong opinions are banned, the wrong posters are called shills, and everyone must tow the party line, less they be politically incorrect.

Plz, no.

This board is pretty comfy, dont make it Reddit tier by cracking down on opinions you dont like.

Three out of four of those are honest sarcasm m8. What is with everyone here and their inability to detect sarcasm? At this point we need a shitposting flag for every ideology so that people will know when it's a joke.

Do you support that even if it leads to or requires SK, USA, and Japanese invasion of NK?

Many do. Hopefully not many on the left, but basically every neocon and neoliberal, for one.

Just because you're opposed to American imperialism doesn't mean you need to support capitalist dictatorships like the DPRK. You can, and should, be opposed to both. The regimes you're supporting brutalize their own workers too.

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Neocons and Neolibs don't say they're pro-imperialist though, they say they're neocons and neolibs.

BO is not being sarcastic, you never know with people being ironic about jokes on the internet. Just look at where it got Holla Forums.

I don't support any war but I won't shed a single tear when the fascist dictatorship in North Korea finally collapses.

Replace "Holla Forums" with "r/socialism" and insert it into any topic about gender, race, or other variety of idpol. IDFK if BO says otherwise, GTFO with your spooky idpol bullshit. We need back Stirnerposting.

It might already be too late. I was getting worried when there was that whole debacle over the "transphobia" ban and the moderator wasn't outright kicked off the team and how BO insisted on shifting this place over to Bunkerchan because Jim thumbed his nose at us while it was clearly extremely unpopular and then quietly dropping the issue without admission of mistake.

Seriously? Wow.
It's funny because this post was deleted and yet it's arguably the most perfect Holla Forums post of all time. Truly a representation of our times.
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Let's watch BO burn down this place and ban anyone who isn't a tankie (who consistently register as a meager 12% in the polls) because no one else cares, let alone has a stick up their ass, over this whole anti-imperialism thing. Do tankies have daddy issues or something? This has gone too far. They've always been a loud minority and not known their place. Don't ban them, sure, but they need to be shown their place somehow.

Because both sides are shit. What's so hard to get about that? They both suck donkey balls. There is no winning side, and there is no need to choose one. No one's telling you to do that. Just focus on what you can change. It makes no positive difference if you loudly virtue-signal your support for the Kim monarchy - it just makes you look like an edgy cringelord who can't ever be taken seriously in politics.

Pretty much this

Except for that it isn't. Tankies are legitimately mentally sick and an absolute negative to discussion here. They don't "balance out the ecosystem" in any way. They just open the door to r/soc and r/fullcom tankie idpol. First it's anti-imperialism, then it's the rest.

Fucking christ, I can never tell if people with tankie flags are being sarcastic when they start sucking the collective dicks of "left" tyrants

Also I thought the spurdo flag was the shitposting flag

You're destroying your own board bo. You're banning people for disagreeing with you. You're making people afraid to express their opinion on this board. The whole point of leftypol was to allow anyone to discuss as long as they don't shit post, even nazi's.

NO GRASS FOR YOU

I actually see this as cracking down on US exceptionalism rampant in any US dominated forums. The problem is is that most of "pro-imperialism" is due to ignorance and to the fact that they've been breathing pure propaganda since kindergarten.

Be easy on those bans. Maybe link with each imperialism ban a Chomsky book on the topic or sg.

yes, norks would be better off as an American colony than under the Kims

Ah, yes! The "let's liberate mudslimes with rockets" opinion. Very good market, good dollars in that.

What part of " as long as they don't shitpost" didn't you understand?

youtube.com/watch?v=hrPAagXeky0

THREAD THEME

barrel bombs are so last week. What's BO's opinion on flying a passenger aircraft into a major American financial landmark? is it really a bad thing when America does worse things with its air force? and since both acts of terrorism are bad, that means neither of them are bad, right? the point is you should be banned for disagreeing with the necessary tactic of killing civilians indiscriminately.

That's totally what is being discussed here.

AFAIK leftist shitposting is allowed, chum.

They don't.

WELCOME TO R/UNRUHE, WHERE FIRST WORLDIST IMPERIALISTS, THEIR YPG PUPPETS, AND THE 'LABOR ARISTOCRACY' CAN SUCK MY DICK!

forgot to take off shitposting flag

Oh no, how terrible, an oppressive monarchy being toppled so that many capitalists can exploit the people's surplus labor instead of one monarch. This is a ridiculous position, which could only make logical sense if you thought war must be prevented at any cost.
I meant on this board. No one does irl either, even though they might effectively advocate for it. It's a purely pejorative term.

I laughed.

Need to change it to "anti-imperial" tho.

BO is also not posting like a blatant parody.

Yes, tankies are cancerous, but it's usually pretty easy to see if someone is pretending to be one or not. Even if they are shit I don't think they should be banned just for being a tankie.

OH LOOK AT ME, I'M PROVOKING BO

Imperialism isn't the same as terrorism.

What he said was about board meta and censorship in a place where the things we say won't get us dragged out and shot in the streets, stop trying to tie it to real world problems and giving it bright coats of "this is what capitalists want you to think." You are being a retard and using Holla Forums "good goyim" tier tactics instead of making an actual argument.

So leftist shit posting is allowed but having a serious discussion about syria isn't because the world is black and white and divided into good and evil? Syria is a giant clusterfuck, we should be able to have a discussion about the justifications of pacts with America without bo banning us. China makes pacts with America, but tanks don't get banned or supporting china communist party.

BO is being phil greaves, soon they will be against cumming and for the DPRK

Using violence to get what you want isn't terrorism?
INB4 you say I dont support revolution. Revolution isn't some sort of fun way to quickly get socialism. It's an event caused by Capitalist oppression of Socialism, not some kind of vengeful rage boner party.

The world isn't black and white, the world is capitalist, and a significant systemic feature of it is imperialism. These are facts. You might think that facts are black and white, but that doesn't invalidate them.

I don't see how this rule change would effect that discussion. As long as you keep to your YPG nation-building faggotry without cheering for the US.

Oh, come the fuck on.

Which no one is doing. What people are being banned for is denouncing Assad and tankie "anti-imperialist" antics.

BO needs to stop trying to be r/socialism lest they meltdown over catgirls and kill the board

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are you saying you are FOR cumming and AGAINST the DPRK? that sounds like a ban kiddo

Last I saw, /r/socialism was full of "both sides are bad" people, so IDK where you get that idea.

stop jacking off hope this helps

I'm just as worried this place will end up like Holla Forums as it will /r/socialism.

So if BO enforces the new rule with arbitrary violence that makes him a terrorist? ;^)

No, srsly, nigger, you need to read up on imperialism.

This is CNN-tier fact-massaging. "Oh, we are invading syria? But look at all the dirty bombs they have and all the clean ones we do!"
Meanwhile, pic related:

Sure keep sensoring people calling you out I got enough dynamic ips

I'm rabidly anti imperialist but I don't think antideutsche cucks should be banned, nor should anyone as Jim Profit says. Banning is inherently anti communist

you do realize that this is Holla Forums, so we can just vote with our feet and start a new board if we don't like your retarded moderation

Yeah and thats retarded. Fuck iff with your ideological purity bullshit, not everyone is a Leninist. You are ok with accelerationists supporting the USA but not with people having way more sand reasons. Are you retarded?

The people who support the YPG/PKK are normally anarchists which through polls have been shown to be the majority of the board multiple times. BO knows anarchists are anti-imperialist and the ones who are still on board believe that the Kurds are accepting aid, but know they'll be fucked once they reject to carry anything out but liberate villages from ISIS. PPG articulated this in Chapo House (Ofc now we know BO is Phil Greaves so she probably thinks he's Psy Ops). Right now this just seems like a tankie trying to purge her board of anarkiddies

Last time I checked, we don't even ban ancap threads, debating instead, but supporting the YPG and being glad that they get weapons from anybody? Glorious leader Kim forbid the very possibility.

r/socialism arbitarly bans people for wrong think which seems to be what you're doing fam.

How do you actually intend to enforce this ban realistically? "pro-imperialism" is an extremely vague topic in comparison to zionism or strassfaggotry, which are both rigidly defined ideologies with open followers.

Pro imperialism is not an ideology or even enough of a defined concept to be upheld as a banworthy thing. To one mod could be anything from not unconditionally supporting Juche to joking about Kimmy, another mod could consider supporting Russia in Ukraine as pro-imperialism. If you're going to solely define it as pro-americanism/"NATO dindu nuffin", you're also going to need to draw the lines of what is acceptable to say and what isn't, because people are going to take anything they want to as support of either. A mod who feels strongly about the Yugoslav wars could ban people for "NATO Imperialism" for opposing his pet faction, as an example. People are making /r/socialism comparisons because the extremely vague rules of the leddit board are left entirely to the interpretation of the opaque moderation, leading to crap that you already know about, like catgirl meltdowns and "you're golden".

Holy shit BO is a full blooded Assadist with no clue who believes every random conspiracy theory about Syria and the USA because of muh anti imperialism and thinks that this is an important hill to die on. Guess what its not, our "support" or "imperialism" will change nothing so its just you forcing your shitty uninformed opinion on everyone. You have banned antigerman viewpoints before, so I guess its time to ask for a reddit style list of acceptable positions?

Oh, I see, everything is violence, but the U.S. is the kind where you can do anything and be morally justified.

But BO is banning people arbitrarily against US imperialism, so it's ok.

Tankies taking over and fucking up something great: First (few) time(s) as tragedy, second time as farce on the internet somewhere.

not to be a defeatist, but that meme died with gamergate.

I think you're on the right track…

well we are Holla Forums but socialist…

We r/fullcommunism now bois! We must stand with Bashar Al-Assad against Imperialism

First they came for the apologists of imperialism, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not an apologist.

Then they came for the "socially conservative socialists," and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a socially c''onservative socialist."

Then they came for the accelerationists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not an accelerationist.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

ban all americans imo just to be sure they aren't subliminally spreading their imperialist progaganda

Us leafs should be banned as well. In fact, just to make sure no filthy imperialist pigdogs shit up the board, ban everybody who is not posting from Damascus.

NewsAnon must link RT articles only, so we do not contaminate our thread with imperialist propaganda

*our board
FML

Russia is tainted from the ussr accepting american aid, all news must be from DPRKs state news service.

it was good while it lasted.

dude splits and power tripping idiots running the whole thing into the ground IS the left

Are you seriously defending pic related? Seriously? This is the kind of shit succdems used to justify WW1. God damn.

BO's autism aside, saying NK wouldn't get shittier under western rule is pretty fucking dumb. There are

I sure won't miss u

Look at OP's poll
only 7 people support the BO, one of them is the BO, and one person clicked accidentally.

Hooo boy, have I got some news for you.

Hello Reddit. Fun fact, pepe isn't just for Nazis.

how can we be sure they aren't secretly imperialists? ban them all

This infuriates me because Holla Forums is functionally the 5th international and its being grievously wounded by this nonsense. I didn't migrate during the earlier crisis, and I would like to not have to flee because of this retarded bumblefuckery. Why does BO insist on making the left internet homeless?

I meant the "starve to death" part, you classcuck.

The DPRK isimperialist, Kim Il Sung was an AmeriKKKan puppet against Japan and their noble struggle against western imperialism.

I'm only visiting the US, I swear! Don't send me to the wall

Damn, I just realized that the Tutsi rolls were colonial bootlickers too! The anti-imperialist Hutus deserve all the praise we can give them for carrying out the Rwandan Genocide! Those western snakes deserved it!!

It's kinda funny how half the people itt are getting banned and they just switch IPs and keep posting because this is Holla Forums, not Reddit.
BO, here's a tip: Don't ban people posting on a thread about your banning policy. It just makes you look worse. Most of the people on this board don't agree with your policy (especially since half the board is fucking anarchist)

The amount of broken links from all the posts being deleted by fucking BO on this thread is too damn high.

Who do we side with if both sides are imperialist? Do we have no official stance on WWII? I need to know how to think Holla Forums

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Will telesur be allowed to or is it financed by supporting the petrodollar?

Apparently anti imperialism is our only guideline left in this world free of workers states, so please BO tell us who do we have to love so socialism will rain upon our heads?

Ah, yes! The fine history of the internationals – where we totally didn't kick out supporters of imperialism, reformists, individualists, class-collaborators, and whacko-socialists!

lol just lol if you don't understand that glorious leader Kim Il Sung secretly colonised America because the mayflower was a North Korean black op

WW2 was an imperialist war. We support the workers of all countries

Again, dreadfully sorry about that.

What did I just miss?

There should be no official stance on anything, this is Holla Forums thinking.

Wtf, I love purges now.

ussr was an imperial puppet so this checks out

If we are going for ALL imperialists, we should start gunning for every english speaker here.

최고의 언어 인 한국어 만이 노동자의 진정한 공통 언어입니다.

I FOR ONE SUPPORT NUKING IRAN AND NORTH KOREA!!!

DOES IT MATTER
IF THEY DIE FROM STARVATION OR IN CLEANSING FIRE?
NOPE!
MAKE ANARCHISM GREAT AGAIN!

BO should probably step down, hand the reins to somebody else and move permanently to bunkerchan like they keep threatening to try to force everyone else to do everytime this shitty website has a hiccup

there's plenty of Holla Forums pseudo-e-celebs who would do a better, less spergy job and probably appoint some more competent mods with less sectarian vendettas to boot

Fucking LARPers

the twist at the end is that the trots take control, purge everyone else then split into factions over the meaning of "workers state"

give it to bakto for shits and giggles

Can't tell if you agree with me or not.

yea

That's not saying that NK should be invaded, just that it's basically porkies fighting porkies. Exactly the reason why supporting WWI was pointless.

It's pretty questionable whether it would or not. It'd be a slave society either way, whether to a monarch or to Capital.

On a site where you can post through fucking TOR.

Just side against American and the West no matter what. You'll never be wrong then.

Batko honestly would not be a bad choice.

Posting this in both threads so people are aware of it
8ch.net/rojava/index.html
I took the liberty of taking over this old board if we should need to leave leftypol. Hopefully, the BO will step down and a transfer will not be necessary

Yes, comrade! We should have double priorities and agendas.
1) IRL socialism: srs bznes.
2) online socialism: lol, burn down countries! Go Obama!

yeah but everything will be upside down

NO

DO NOT HAND THE BOARD TO YOUTUBE EGOTRIPPERS

Jeg står med Nordkorea imod amerikansk imperialisme.

Tankie power grabs: Not even once.

Batko is honestly the only jewtuber I'd trust with it, because he has shown himself to, whenver he has had a chat or group handed to him, consistently oppose hotpocketing and egofags.

There are senor mods on here who are ethical and can take over.

If one thing is great about the mods is that they are user. You seriously want to replace them with celebs?

Bat'ko seems decent, although I wouldn't want BO duties to get in the way of other stuff he does. We need out choir.

A.W. for BO. Then we can finally ban all the shitposters and focus on theory.

Exactly the reason why real socialists opposed the fucking war with their last breath.

This is the most utopic shit I've seen in a while. Please comrade, detail your plans for our edgy invasion glorious LARP takeover of the Internet.

that is indeed what I intended
how many times will I escape the gulag tonight, stay tuned to find out!

if i can't shitpost i want no part in your revolution

Any attempt I made to open a thread took me back to the catalog.

the mods here aren't the worst i've seen, but they're hardly paragons of fairness or even-handed enforcement of the rules. they are on the level of average reddit mods. technically user or not, you can pretty much profile them by who gets banned, when and why since it's nearly always for sectarian shit

Have you tried making a thread? Maybe they've become inaccessible over time

He sounds like a Holla Forumsyp when hes supporting Assad against ypg. The leadership needs to be purged.

Nuance? Irony? Perish the thought of bullying! I hope you escape Gulag 4evs

they let me slip on a shitposting ban because i said sorry so they're pretty decent

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Boardeigenaar kan kanker krijgen. Die stomme hoer verbant en cesureert iedereen waar ze het niet mee eens is. Lang leve niet vaste ip addressen. Geplaatst vanaf mijn gee es em

This really is ultimately every outcome of authoritarianism. It will always create dissent. With shit like this you can just split, since there's no one with a gun forcing you to comply with Great Leader's decrees.

That'd obviously be optimal.

I really don't get what has happened to BO. They completely lost their shit after the hack. They tried to force the migration, and after that was shouted down they disappeared for a while, now they're back legalizing their tankie-tier opinions. This board is famous for its libertine moderation and now BO wants it to be like /r/socialism, with only approved opinions allowed.

Truly the end times.

Started a thread, things seem to be working.

lanmò nan Ameriken enperyalis ak viv lontan lidè bèl pouvwa nou an Kim Il Sung

At banne folk for shitposting er amerikansk imperialisme på sit højeste.

BO er både en imperialist, en amerikansk agent og muligvis også en tilhænger af Trotsky.

However many as the revolving door will allow.

Haha yeah.

Ist Deutsch eine anti-imperialistische Sprache? Immerhin haben Marx und Engels in ihr geschrieben. Für die Reinheit des Brettes sollten wir eh alles anglo-amerikanische verbannen und da bietet sich Deutsch als Ausweichsprache an.

I've been banned by the mods here a dozen times, mostly by mistakes and hot pockets, which were generally overruled, a few times unjustly, and the last time justly. Overall (and considering the environment) they are above average.

I do oppose them on issues I disagree with (le forced moving) and support them when I agree with them. In this case it's the latter.

They are a million times better than reddit mods, tho, for various reasons. Just to mention a few: "niggers", they are not compromised, you don't have to suck up to them, they are anonymoist, etc.

Nein. Antideutsch is die gute ideologie

does the BO suffer from some kind of hormon fluctuation?
this is just mental.
whatexactly is BO's endgame with introducing thoughtcrimes?

Maaf, imperialisme bermula di sempadan Eropah

Jesus this thread is basically a repeat of the migration one.
This has gone beyond unpopular moderation into objectively shitty.

It's a fucking tragedy, not even memeing. I just things to go back to normal, but barring that we have options now at least

Deleted all the old/inaccessible threads.

She's paid by the Kremlin.

Aber antideutsche Ideologie ist nur auf Deutsch vorhanden. Aber man kann sich nur auf Deutsch darüber unterhalten da BO antideutsche sonst verbannt. Mach sie schon ne Weile lang, das hier alles ist also nicht allzu überraschend.

BOs endgame is instituting their own sense of 'justice'. We all know they have a serious justice boner right now. Or at least had.

Sicher warum nicht? Ich meine mit der Erfindung von Online-Übersetzern, es ist nicht wie englische Sprecher wie ich werden ausgelassen werden.

Es sei denn, das ist der Punkt.

Is Marx pro-imperialist for supporting capitalist development and free trade?

L'anti-imperialisme est le seul vrai ideologie et BO est un imperialiste et selon toute probabilité un Trotskytse aussi

The Russians are paying for her hormone treatment in exchange for banning anarchists! Quick, call CNN!

Sehr gut!

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Hey BO if you're still ITT. If you insist on banning for imperialist apologia and pro-Zionism, why do I run into people like Howard on dozens of threads advocating blatant support of Israel for no other reason than because dead muslims is a good thing? How the fuck is that not "pro-zionism" or "pro-imperialism"?

Yes.

t. Board Owner

Oh for fuck's sake, we don't even ban actual nazis and lolberts, and you're gonna ban people for this? This is one of the few leftist boards where there still exists room for actual free discussion, and as such is one of the only good communist boards in existence. Just about every other board has descended into rule lawyering where people try to provoke people they are arguing with into violating some shitty rule in order to get them banned, which means they don't have to engage in actual discussion. The end result of this will be an intellectually dead echo chamber like r/socialism, or a literally dead board like revleft.

And no, I don't support US imperialism. Or russian imperialism either for that matter. If you take sides in nationalist conflicts you're just a useful idiot for capital, but I don't think that's good ground for banning people.

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We are all trots now! How many splits will be achieve? How irrelevant will be become?

Editoranon are you here? We have to accelerate the newspaper production to denounce the USA!

Isn't Syria a capitalist country, tho? I mean, before it was blown into smithereens?

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Geez this thing is spiralling out of control. BO is obviously at fault for enforcing their (unpopular and stupid) political line but it's not the end of the world so calm down

Biji ypg û şoreşa rojavayê Esed kurê 60,000 kesan e û rêjîmê yê kuştinê dikare biqedin, wê şoreşê bêyî wî berdewam dike.

ใชและเขาไดใหการสนับสนุนพรรครีพับลิกันในสหรัฐอเมริกาทำใหเขาเปนนักเตะใหมทียิงใหญทีสุดตลอดกาล

Danke an / pol / wir sind schon bei Internet-Frosch Kapazität, gehen Baguette woanders.

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It was in the first stages of liberalisation, privatisation and still had many feudal remnants, definitly room to grow.

Ang huli nito, im lasing at ang isang dahilan para sa shitpost

So let's speed up the process by killing half a million people, amirite?

too bad. what you said would still be banned because you're saying anti-imperialism isn't important. that is the insanity of this dumb fucking rule.

Nuclear KFC Fourth International is only true KFC Fourth International, long live Comrade Posadas!

You have been visited by the Marx quote of acceleration. Imperialism and social revolution will come to you but only if you comment "thank you white man" in this thread.

ban this sick filth

The rule doesn't say that and you know it.

This is called consistency.

BO , ITB there a lot people that have differents opinions in this situation, can you acknowledge there view before going full stalin ?

she has said multiple times you will be banned if you say anti-imperialism isn't important. get over it, freudposter.

It's very obviously a change of policy and a new step towards /r/socialism-tier shit. No one advocates for imperialism so no one is going to be banned, right? Yet this thread is full of examples of people being banned for very weak reasons. Imagine when another rule is created for another ideological topic, and another.

As long as SAA or ISIS kills them its fine.

Anti imperialism as a whole is not consistent, so this rule is also shit. If you want to know what happens when you make rules like this look at r/soc. It also promotes conspiracy theories as people no lknger try to understand the conflict and just judge instantly by vague theory. BO is a perfect example of this showimg literally /sg/ knowledge of Syria at every step.

New rule on Holla Forums: No catgi-

[Remainder of post deleted by BO]

It is when bo bans so many people and tries to hide it

Seems pretty consistent to me. Read BO in OP linked thread. And also maybe pic related. BO isn't arguing for making leftypol a turd-worldist only club. If he did I would be against it.

Nigga, do you read?
We've already been doing it. We've been doing it from the beginning. It served the board's interests.

This is now a salt-mining thread.

First they came for the catgirls, but I did not speak out because I was not a catgirl

top fucking kek

I told you dogs, I told you about vague rules and banning for "shitposting"
I cried my fucking throat out in the mod feedback thread about how arbitrariness is a straight road to power abuse

but no, you dipshits were crying for lyching of "shitposters" on sight
SO TASTE YOUR OWN MEDICINE NOW YOU HUMAN DEFECTS
you know the drill, first they came for people I don't like.. etc etc

also topkek at faggots who bitched about tankies with their strict rules and rulecucking in general
this is what happens when you don't have strict well defined rules you fucking idiots

Just take a look at all the posts that got banned and see how consistently and fairly this rule has been applied.

Hold on, board OWNER? Sounds like some means need seizin'.

You think everyone agreed?
Laugh at the people who like shitpost bans.

dont worry my fellow anons, 'BO' was just drunk while her underaged cousin stole her login and posted mean replies.
when she sobers up, she'll clear everyrhing up.

Yes I read BOs posts in the linked threads. She has no clue about Syria and probably informs herself in /sg/, her way of applying anti imperialism to Syria is one of the weakest I have seen and goes against many positions of local ML parties.

The anti Israel rule was rarely enforced so no one had a problem with it

kys BO sucker and go back to reddit there you can wallow in the appreciation of fellow purists.

All rules are arbitrary when implemented by human being with biases. The complaint with the person implementing does not automatically translate to a problem with our conception of rules

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Stop copy-pasting that Zionism was banned for feelings and not to stop the worst of Holla Forums 'cointel'

You could storm the server building with assault rifles.

BO accidentally spilled molten cheese on the keyboard and in the ensuing chaos she purged the board and replaced every board flag with a picture of Assad

I can't tell if this is retarded or hardcore.

What if the future is just total immersion VR and everything is digital?

Kek. Marx would literally be banned from leftypol by our "marxist" BO.

it's
REHARDED

not on a board you retard
on an imageboard you only need one rule
NO SPAMMING
that's it, spamming can be well defined so that there will be little room for arbitrariness

Haha about that.

Syria is still tribalist af, so is it ok to support anti tribalist forces BO?

On a board humans with biases still make the final call of what constitutes a bannable offense, including spam.

Calling me a retard doesn't strengthen your argument and you look like kind of a dimwit yourself for replying that human beings with biases don't make the rules on a board

t. BO

0/10

If you consider those "best" no wonder you are going to have a hard time defending them. I already replied to one of your "best," btw:

I've personally reported like a dozen israel shills, and the threads consistently got deleted or bumplocked. Maybe you mistake "rarely enforced" with "I didn't encounter them." But BO lurks ITT so maybe ask them: "how often were leftist false-flags and israel-shills banned?" It only seems fair.

I'm open to hearing your criticism (as would be the mod team, I presume, if it's not another "BO=Unruhe" or "tankies took over" or "what's next? catgirls?" kinda shit).

Oh my. I had my share of disagreements with the mods, I support or oppose them case-by-case. (It's a commie thing.)

Is PJAK fighting against Iran imperialist or anti imperialist?

living in a world that follows strict rules is a pipe-dream for people who dont gave the initiative to piss without permission. Communities without a defined leadership have a habit of self-regulating, most of them even thrive without a boot on their neck.

No BKK flag? Banned for imperialism.

tears were shred

Reddit tier tbqhwy

She bans people that explained to her what is happening, she is obviously not interested. But good to know that you are the faggot that helps the mods to surpress legitimate discussion(fits with your retarded idea that i could explain Syria to here and now)

Accept that conflicts are conplicated and that you cant base your purity tests on them.

An effort was made.

but in the case of spam they have very little room for maneuver if you define spam as a repeated incoherent messages that create noise in the communication channel

We should ban BOs bans

You are such an annoying, ironic cunt.

what the hell is this BO do you have a break down every few months or something? Keep it together fams

I actually agree with this, but given that both leftist false-flagging and israel-shilling were modded adequately I don't oppose this move.

Having a well-defined rule-book or constitution of sorts would be maybe too edgy or ambitious for a Cantonese duck-roasting board, but is worth trying or at least arguing over.

You're assuming a high level of transparency and trust of the perspective board runners. What exactly is stopping someone from being banned with less fanfare and then the BO saying they're a "notorious spammer"? And I still don't think that spam will be as clearly defined as you think even in your example. Is the repetition of the same point over and over in a thread where it may or may not bear repeating "spam"? Does the ban then hinge on whether that repeated message is more or less in line with "popular opinion"? You may say no, but in practice those moderating the board, and even the userbase at large, are going to find repetition more grating when it's of something they don't agree with. There is no unbiased, totally consistent moderation.

Yes its clearly evil to oppose ethnic cleansing of Jews in the case of the destruction of Israel.

What the fuck are you talking about? Who's supporting ethnic cleansing of Jews?

My last ban was for spamming a link to a leftist chat room 6 times or so in different threads. Got 24 hours for it. IMO it's commensurate with the "crime."

deleting the links was a low-blo

The BO? He's a neo-nazi, pro-Putin, white cis-male brocialist.

People like you getting banned would be the upside to the new retarded policy

if his post is not a copy paste with few minor changes here and there and poster actually argues point by point with quoting then it is not spam

I agree, "incoherent" leaves too much room for interpretation but it is as best as we can get to a strict rule

>>>/rojava/140

BO literally said that she would ban people that support YPG toppling Assad. Shes officially reactionary at this point. Even Lenin had support of imperialist Germany so all Lenin fags can also leave at this point. No anarchists(who support no state), no Communalists, no Leninist and no leftcom will soon be save on this board.

You are to naive for this world.

Hezbollah is under no position to destroy Israel you histrionic nerd, and aggressive rhetoric against a nakedly colonizing force is perfectly acceptable unless you're a fucking spineless lib.

English shouldn't be allowed, it is inherently an imperialist language. You all only speak it because of imperialism

Lol are you BO falseflagging to prove your point about the kind of pro-Zionist retards that need to be banned?

We're worried about grey-area cases not this strawman character you're playing

That's not what they want, tho. The Kurds want an autonomous region first and their own country second. They want to kick out ISIS from their desire territories. Good. Totally different topic.

They will gladly take their autonomous region with or without Assad at their borders. (Turkey won't let it, but that's again another different topic)

But what Kurd ever said anything about toppling Assad? They aren't that naive, you know. They are more up to date in Middle-Eastern history than most of their supporters in the West, it seems. Toppling Assad would mean another Afghanistan-, Iraq-, Lybia- (etc.) puppet regime that starts privatizing and selling out to the West, bringing with it general disarray and religious fanaticization.

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Half the SDF is comprised of former FSA rebels. You can bet your ass they want to take down Assad

SDF has staed repeatedly that they fight till Damascus if necesary, Assad has shown no sign of compromising so open war is possible. They are a revolutionary force you fucking faggot not neighbourhood liberals wanting more human rights.

But I guess its ok to ignore BO wanting to ban a supporting a socialisf revolution because they most likely wouldnt succeed.

There is literally nothing inherently wrong with the SDF or anyone else toppling Assad or any other ruler they oppose. You just now have to pretend that morality changes along with the decisions of the US state dept. as if we're not all watching them lurch around like fucking aimless retards atm.

BO probably believes that the USA has a highly complex and planned strategy atm to undermine the anti imperialist axis. When the truth is that they are in a aimless tumble just trying to maintain a stake in the ME.

There are a dozen temporary alliances in the region, with very differing factions as far as ambitions go. Just look at the Quatar ordeal to see how fragile and chaotic the larger situation is. As time goes by Assad would be more and more inclined to take any peace-deal he could (otherwise he'd be preferring territories over lives).

YPG: IMO they are purely in the nation-building business. In itself that's not a negative thing (and if successful they could go against Erdogan's interests). All I'm saying is that they'll make an alliance even with the devil if that serves this single interest. That Russia is against them is to be looked at through the lens of the current state of affairs. If it comes to peace talks YPG will be the first to side with anyone that offers them protection, and I wouldn't rule out them offering to accept a navy base either from Russia or the US if that's the price.

Pretty shit opinion tbh

Stop trying to poach /sg/, we're not moving from 4/pol/ to Holla Forums.

The real lesson here isn't about whether Rojava is or isn't properly revolutionary, it's about a rejection of the sort of pseudo-third worldist assumption that it is the responsibility, or even within the capabilities, of a people in a run down region to spearhead revolution in the context of global socialism. All actors on this scale can be held to no standards but the advocacy of their own survival. If they do end up consistently challenging imperial powers it will be out of circumstance and not out of some virtue that transcends their own personal well-being and continued existence.

And thats good tbh

So us ML's Cockshostt posters will be banned now??

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fuck, I just read that book
goodbye comrades, it was a good run

It's Gentle Ganjeet

And still Yugaslav flag?? He destroys market socialism in his book…

Dont forget that the USA cooperated with Yugoslavia, Tito posters will get banned anyway.

Please just let people talk about whatever they want.

Indeed its very P R O B L E M A T I C

Fair point.

No I don't support this descision
It's over the line tbh.

Was it over the line with Israel shills and false flagging leftists too?

bullshit

A regime doesn't gain revolutionary significance just because it stands in opposition to the major sections of capital on the international stage. What, do we also have to condemn "imperialist aggression against Trump" reflected in most of the American bourgeoisie lining up against him during the election? Is Trump an unironic hero of the revolution owing merely to who doesn't like him?

Strange you tanks call trots crypto-neocons ad nauseam when you're the ones nakedly relying on this hollow, outmoded "enemy of my enemy" dogma

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most important lines in this whole thread. all nations are imperialist in this decadent period of capitalism.

if you support the USSR you are pro-imperialist cause the USA supported them in WWII
if you oppose the USSR you are pro-imperialist cause it was dismantled by NATO subversion

Very true.

I have called for the BO to be replaced for some time now.
The BOs failure to create a concrete set of established rules, chimping out over minor ideological beliefs/views and general mental instability have all been problems for quite awhile.

Based Space_

Why does anyone give a fuck about bans tbh
You change your ip or switch vpns and go about your business
Bans are the image board equivalent of a slap on the wrist with the duration being almost entirely symbolic but the shrill screeching it produces here makes me think that all these reddit faggots need to harden the fuck up

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You deserve to actually be banned

So are both russian imperialists and US imperialists banned ? I don't know what is BO's decision so I can't vote.

The BO has stated that he disagrees with people who say that Russia and China can be imperialist, too, so probably not.

Please do feel free to state why.
Not to do so would put you on the level of the current BO.

BO is engaging in micro-imperialism xirself. Very probIematic.

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Jesus Christ the BO is dumb.

Yeah, and the "symbols" ostensibly play a role in defining community standards, expectations and beliefs…
That's the whole point of having bans.
Not to mention newfags may not be too adept at ban evasion, and they're the ones first and foremost who'd be driven off due to bans for saying otherwise sensible shit or not holding the party line, thus souring their idea of "leftism"

This. What the fuck is your problem, BO? You have better things to do than limit discussion and ban people for no reason.

I agree with the BOs stance. Apologism for imperialism should be a bannable offense.

I'd also suggest that we are actively establishing a stance where we deplatform people who engage in uncritical support for "Rojava", as they have been proven to be subject to imperialist/trotskyst subversion. No voice for fascists and imperialists!

Have to say BO, you've done a great job of holding this place together so far, but I do not support any bans based around the term "anti-imperialism", because it is something guaranteed to split the community. I don't know much about anarchists, but almost every Marxist party claims to be anti-imperialist, and yet somehow every marxist party has a different take on what that means in Syria. Is Assad the imperialist for denying ISIS self determination, or are the Kurds because they are genociding arabs? These are the sort of stupid takes that keep this place thriving, as they give us the opportunity for MASSIVE DUNKS.

This is not a slippery slope, this is the bottom of that slope. This would basically give you the legitimate ability to ban any socialist who disagrees with your specific formulation of imperialism. If there were also a policy to ban all ancaps or nazis or libs it would actually make more sense, because they're the enemy, but this is a policy that will only be applied to other socialists.

Many Bernieposters came here and were radicalized by us, they wouldn't have been if they had been banned every time they asked a stupid question about why supporting israel is bad. This is not a safe space, it's a place to force posters to fight their ideology, combat their assumptions, and learn in a truly free way.

Been posting here since early 2014, and never seen something like this. Whatever the eventual outcome, very sad day for leftypol.

tbqh the reason I don't give a shit about this is because retarded T34niggers like yourself spent the last few weeks in Syria threads spamming IMBERISLM IMBERISLM FUGGIN IMBERIALSDS >:DDDD

Shit up boards, go on power trips, and act like self-important cunts?

Go back to reddit

It is sad to see how modern leftists are immune to a materialist, scientific analysis but pander to emotional subversion.

If you don't have the correct stance on imperialism, you are not a leftist and you shouldn't be given a platform.

In general we support Rojava and dislike Assad. The issue with this new anti-imperialism rule is that if you question whether China's actions in Africa are imperialist or don't see a point in taking sides in a conflict between capitalists you become a supporter of imperialism. Like you I've been here since 2014 and this is the first time I've seen anything like this, relatively recently the BO was joking about shit like pic related and I have to wonder if we ended up with a new BO who doesn't know how to manage an image board with people who disagree, this new rule is imkampfy tier and will do to us what he did to Holla Forums, and just when we're becoming notorious and picking up steam.

We must stand with the Islamic State in its battle against eastern and western imperialists.

Why is S.trasserism banned? I mean its not pro-imperialism

Every action causes a reaction. When imperialist/fascist/trotskyst subversion becomes persistent, a leftist platform must react accordingly.

Why is BO not supporting the anti-imperialist candidate, and thus supporting imperialism?

tbh, reading this again I believe posts like this which euphemize and tone down imperialist anti-human operations should be banned right away.

Are you from a NATO country? If so you should be banned for micro-imperialism. Check your NATO priviIege.

because it's just fascism with "but no really we'll actually support the workers this time"

This is what stalinism does to your brain.You write like an uneducated person trying to sound smart. Have you tried speaking in a dialect of english that workers can understand?

its the least worst form of fascism imo (minority rights protected, production kept in the countryside, cities prevented from too rapid growth)

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Anyone who supports Assad should be banned because he is supported by capitalist Russia.

But don't you understand? Russia is a pure nation of elves and faeries that simply cannot act in the interests of national or global capital at the expense of anyone else, because of some moustached faggot over sixty years ago.

and fascism isn't allowed
qed

I hope you get lynched

I see threads in support of Baathism and Nazbol all the time. Where do we draw the line between fascism and tankies?

I agree with BO completely.

someone post that map where all the countries that are "antiimperialist" are in blue and the "imperialists" are in red. Basically, anything east of Poland and west of california can't be imperialist by tankie logic.

yeah, but you're a piece of shit

I've only been here since the beginning of the year so I could be mistaken, but up until recently it seemed like only the really blatant shitposters and spammers got banned and there was more "self-moderation" through actually debating ideas. The recent increase in bans reminds me of what happened to 4/tg/ back in '11

Succdems betraying us AGAIN

This. The only way to be anti-imperialist in this day and age is to be consistently anti-capitalist and to oppose all states.

Though tbh, I don't think BO's most recent spergout is out of genuine disgust for imperialist apologetics (which there is very little of on leftypol), but rather because BO's is a tankie, and therefore a minority on this board. I think this is just an attempt at thinning out other tendencies, starting with the rojava-fags. I won't be surprised if ancoms and leftcoms are next in the firing line. It's happened with virtually every other major leftist board, why should this place be any different?

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AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Wanna know how I know you're a newfag?

You mean I should sound more like a vulgar imperialist apologist like more and more people on this board?

You don't sound like you know much about the matter. Maybe read some theory before before actively propagating an incorrect stance.

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What the fuck is up with the mods lately, they seem to be turning into an ultratankie clique like r/soc

Do you support the Islamic State in their fight against Assad, yes or no?

Like I said, anyone who disagrees with you is incorrect, but you cant explain why, only use buzzwords. I understand why anti-imperialism is bad, but do you. Go read some Lenin faggot, "Imperialism" for starters, everything in there can be understood by the common man, because he actually makes arguments, rather than "Hurr Durr, that's wrong retard"

Pretty sure it's just the board owner. Either the memes are real and Jason really is our new BO or something happened in the old BO's personal life to mess them up. Either way they seem incapable for the job and should be honest about it and relieve us and themselves of their standing.

I mean I pretty much consider Howard to be one of the most unsufferable faggots here but he tries to engage in good faith mostly and is not worse than the recent reddit MLM invasion. There is no reason to ban him, just as we shouldnt ban anti germans or leftcoms.

I think she got into reddit circles, we had a few anons here recently who returgiated the reddit tankie positions quite well and some of them also appeared in the idpol threads. Probably just a conincedent because that happens from time to time but if this pattern continues we should be worried.

I miss being able to talk about /tg/ stuff without Holla Forums shitting on everything.

Sure you can argue why imperialism is a good thing then? I'd say the burden of proof is on you - that imperialism is bad should be the basis for an argument for every communist. I can't believe we are having this discussion.

Lenins position is in accordance with mine, e.g. Lenin argues several times to make sure that revolution can only be genuine when it doesn't result in an imperialist takeover. This was later correctly expanded by Mao in his theory of primary and secondary contradictions.

The primary contradiction in Syria is US-imperialist aggression, and it is also not uncommon for imperialism to hijack leftist movements, which can be seen in the fascist uprising in Hungary for example.

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Maybe modern imperialism is just incoherent vulgar garbling. Look at that sad thread where you people tried to create a map of imperialism and had to face your own inconstincies. Also we are a board thats not a Lenin-Mao-Stalin echo chamber like reddit is, so maybe go there if you want to be shielded from other leftist currents. Or go to /marx/.

Retarded nazbol meme threads are tolerated but unironic nazbols are banned like the rest. I haven't personally seen pro baathism threads though.

wew lad

Do you support the Islamic State in their fight against Assad?

These new pro-imperialist currents aren't leftist, so I don't consider giving them any platform when it should be obvious what they're in for.

The theory on imperialism hasn't changed since a century. You lack of intellectual understanding is not an excuse for actively propagating an anti-communist stance. This is Trotskyism in its purest form.

we must call on a vote to replace her

No. Why would I? Again, read up on theory before posting.

It's fine to ask question and all that but taking on a stance before properly informing yourself shouldn't be a allowed.

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Fuck off cunt, just because I disagree with the leninist stance on this matter doesn't mean I haven't read theory on the matter, as if all communist theory is in fucking agreement. My position is simply the basic leftcom position.

leftcom.org/en/articles/2016-09-26/against-all-nationalisms

The US should invade Syria because then there might be a chance of a more democratic government. As ot stands the only future seems Assad. Or will you argue that Saddam was better than the current government in Iraq. In fact global capital must open up more markets in order to complete its historical purpose. American and other capitalist imperialism is historical necessity. Otherwise there will never be revolution. The imperialist powers must be allowed to burn themselves out.

I'm sure you're handlers have just the replacement picked out, huh

This doesn't matter because BO won't step down and even if they did it would mean power going to one of the lead mods, IE someone who agrees with this retarded tankieism

this tbh

This rule feels so extreme and unnecessary. Why is the leadership and mod team turning Tankie?

Board Owner, I understand that imperialism in general is an issue but to pick what flavor of imperialism is definitely not the right way to go. You gotta be all in that imperialism is a big problem. Or you have to be all out and say imperialism is not a problem. Such a rule is no different than exploitation of a specific group of people.

You have a lot of countries involved with NATO that are trying to see what's truly going on in the world and for you to just say NATO flavored Imperialism is the only problem is fucking ridiculous. You make it seem like the NATO Porkies are behind everything when there are porkies all over the world causing issues for their countries as well.

North Korea under U.S. control would be terrible but I don't think they could do worse than what that manchild leader does right now. You'd still have people in poverty and everything but I think you'd have more people having a better chance to being happy and more free with shitty capitalism than fucking fake socialism that's really a monarchy.

Except the last time BO had a public meltdown the mods had to come in to calm him(her?) down and seemed to heavily disagree

And what exactly are you basing that on, aside from your own speculation

The mod team is not enforcing this rule, look at the bans, they all come directly from BO. Tankies are an extreme minority on this board, and always will be

Everything should be up for debate. To have a scientific approach to socialism, we must not hold any idea as beyond question.

we vote for who replaces her then, also.

A rule like this can't be enforced without the consent of the other moderators, and it's based on looking at the Reddit situation

Imperialism is just not important currently and should not form an important basis of actvism as it is a movement completely residing withing capitalism regardless of what it achieves. Also it creates the wrong assumption that you dont have to understand the conflicts you judge, as seen by countless people posting half baked ideas in the rojava threads.

Its a useless mode of activism, and your "victories" change nothing in the larger picture. They dont train or organise the working classes, they dont create better climate to organise, they dont bring revolution one steep closer. It is even activly harmful as it devides the local movement about issues that dont matter for them directly, creating useless purity tests around extremely complex issues that can be judged either way starting from the same basis. We do not need Maoism to oppose wars, we do not need anti imperialism to denounce agression and we do not need you retards forcing your shitty ideology on everyone else here.

Is anti imperialism maybe a decent part of wider Marxian(remember not everyone on leftypol is a marxist) theory? Yes. But its representation and impact on the movement is horrible and counter productive just like priveledge theory, it might offer helpful analysis in some parts but its impact and wider application is horrible.

For fucks sake 1/3rd of this board doesnt even agree with you on the nature of states and nations and you want to uplift some chinese revisionist to doctrine?

My apologies. I was assuming the mod team was being forced to make these bans as well.

I still stand by my statement.

Now THIS is a true imperialist apologist

Leftcommunism is a fringe position which openly advocates lethargy and nihilism, it's not intellectually honest to try to take on a stance on something when you don't want to be part of it anyway. It is useless to conclude that a rejection of nationalism would culminate into the adaption of an utopian praxis.

It is also anti-marxist to assume that orthodox reductionism is the way to go, when you don't provide a guide to action. As Marx said himself "philosophers merely analyzed the word, the point is, however, to change it". It's also telling that you react overly emotional, because that is what trotskyst and leftcommunist sabotage is, an appeal to emotion.

You are a revisionist and an imperialist. Stop hiding behind theory you haven't read and admit it.

And again, what exactly are you basing that on, because it doesn't sound like you have any idea.

Yeah that's a different guy, welcome to image boards, now fuck off back to reddit.

RUSSIA IMPERIALISM IS GOOD

If you hate lethargy and nihilism you can fuck off to reddit and lead the internet war with your friends there. Also not everyon here is a marxist.

"defeating" the hegemon wont change anything in the larger picture. We are no longer in the age of workers states you moron, the USSR is dead and you can stop LARPing now.

Literally no one is arguing that it is a good thing. People are however, arguing that the ML line on the matter is retarded, that it leads to supporting backwards reactionary states in the name of opposing imperialism, and often supporting states that aren't really any less imperialist than the US simply because they are politically opposed to the US. If I had a dollar for every time I saw some shitty stalinist or trotskyist cult shilling for russia, china or saudi arabia (or even fucking ISIS in a couple of cases), I could buy my own country.

You're the definition of an utopian, since you refuse to care about surplus extraction on a national level. You don't need a purity test or elaborate mental gymnastics to be against that. It is also incorrect to assume that anti-imperialism doesn't engage in a detailed analysis of conflicts. You are saying "imperialism doesn't matter" while it is the abhorrent, most direct primary contradiction of capitalism, this is terrible and you should be banned.

So I can take Rosas definition of imperialism? That imperialism is the act of developed capitalist states taking over non capitalist regions? Because according to that I would like you to suppport only the Zapatistas and Rojava against the neoliberal state governments of their region.

Or do you want to use the unequal trade defition and fully show yourself as the faggot socdem that you are in effect?

was the BO killed and replaced by Unroo?
jfc

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Do you support Assad or not ?

Why won't you stand with Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi against Ocalan, Trump, Putin and Assad's imperialist war against him?

That is absolutely incorrect. Would you argue that the fall of Rome wasn't detrimental for societies transition to feudalism? Read Marx.

Surely you can argue as to why Russia, Syria and Iran are imperialist then (for newcomers: Imperialism is defined as a factual net extraction of wealth)?

Ah, of course, because cheer leading for reactionary shitholes is "doing something".

GIVE ME AN A
GIVE ME AN S
GIVE ME AN S
GIVE ME AN A
GIVE ME A D
GOOOOOOOOOOOO ASSAD!

Look ma, I'm doing something!

how long before we, ourselves, get purged, user?

what this whole nonsense drama shows is that the BO is unqualified to run the board
if pro-imperialist (let alone vaguely pro-imperialist from a certain point of view) rethoric should be banned is a separate issue, and should not be the point of debate

I am not a brain dead nationalist so you can my dick. I dont care who extracts my surplus because I dont identify with burgeoise spooks used to controll the working class and poison our theory. Maybe argue your point inside a thread instead of begging for bans like a good Holla Forumsyp. While we are at it you could consider that the exact problem with the east block states was that they in effect acted as national surplus extractors to enrich the bueraucracy and fuckover the working class.

Also utopian my ass, you are the utopian for thinking that your activism for Assad and friends changes anything, or that any socialist movement is helped by it. Every anarkiddie smashing a few windows is more helpful that you are.

I havent seen a single good analysis of the Syrian war here, its all pro-assad memery and Putin worship.

I critically support Assad, yes.

Rosa Luxemburgs definition is correct, just merely to narrow. It should be obvious that we defend the last remaining states of real existing socialism like Cuba or the DPRK, but in the face of modern global capitalism her definition is insufficient and outdated.

You won't get purged comrade. You just have to accept our superior analysis based on the immortal doctrine of Marxism-Leninism-Maoism-Assadism-BO Thought. Amerikkka bad, Russia good!!!

Every theory needs a praxis. Also, why are you using buzzwords of anti-marxists like Stirner if you consider yourself a pure leftists?

You are the one who is unable to present any arguments, unless you are seriously believe "spook" is an argument. I consider bourgeois decadent egoism to be disgusting.

So you where bullshitting when you claimed that anti imperialist theory hasnt changed for a century?

Jesus christ, this is almost as retarded as that stalinist cult that once said we should defend saudi arabia because the majority of its industry is owned by the state, therefore making it an example of socialism.

As expected.

thank you based comrade

Aren't you guys getting tired of strawmen? Imagine getting so triggered over the fact that USA engaged in net extraction of wealth while Russia doesn't that you actively are taking on a neocon stance to get bonus points with liberals. Again, you are no leftists and should not be getting a platform. Holla Forums is the board for you.

you're not my comrade, comrade.

BO is a shadowbanning faggot. Everyone should leave and leave his faggot ass alone.

Russia sells Assad weapons on credit. Syria now owes Billions to Russia, and is effectively a debt slave. But this isn't wealth extraction because daddy Putin does it.

Assad is trying to extract the wealth of ISIS through armed force. We must stand with al-Baghdadi and his freedom fighting soldiers against the imperialist state of Syria.

can you shadowban on Holla Forums?

Tankies are fucking children with an understanding of the world like it's a picturebook. Literally just mix and match symbols and colors

Again, read theory. The DPRK is real existing socialism, and democratic (unlike Saudi-Arabia) as I've argued many times before. Are you presenting any arguments? Rationality is a virtue.

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Fucking christ

By not announcing bans, the effect is the same. Most posters don't check of someone has been banned after they seem to stop posting.

I consider nations to not be an adequate tool to analyse the conditions of the global working class and I dont consider the obsession with state craft helpful in any way to create a new socialist movement(which is the precondition to defend any gains of the workers).

Nationalism is a greate enemy that religion.

First if you consider yourselve a part of a national body then you are retarded and second you are uneducated and should refrain from pushing your narrow analysis as the height of current stances and universally correct.

wasted quads, and clearly you dont understand democracy so maybe read some theory reddit faggot?

How can you check on bans?

The freedom of speech offered by Holla Forums is not compatible with your edgy liberalism, sorry.

Are you for real right now?

Russias agenda is to have an independent Syria. Debt is irrelevant compared to actual, real extraction of resources like the US plans to do through the Qatar-Turkey pipeline. Especially since Russia is known to be extremely lax on debt collection. If Russia proceeds to enslave Syria, I will not support this - but there aren't any hints to imply this would happen.

Your conception of geopolitics is embarrassing even for a tankie

NEW SOLUTION
From now on

8ch.net/bans.html

use the search field for leftypol
note that all the imperialism bans are the BO and not the mod team at large

M-L in a nutshell.

It was only a question of time. Do we have to agree with the current conspiracy theories returgiated by RT and other capitalist propaganda outlets to be accepted here by your standards? Are we imperialist supporters for believing that Assad commited gas attacks too?

Russia is getting contracts to have garuanteed ressource extractions and pushes for different interests in Syria than the ruling elite there.

There is a ban log in the mod sticky, but you have to check it to see if the poster you are respondong to got banned. So this means that every time a conversation ends, you might have had a response coming, but the other poster got banned.

jesus fucking christ

Yes, that does seem to be the stalinist position.

The law of value still operates, commodities still circulate, there are market relations between between state owned firms, and actual fucking private enterprise exists. How the fuck is that socialist again?

It's a military dictatorship with a hereditary ruler (though something being democratic does nothing to change its mode of production).

is in response to

Honestly more likely to be just a junta with Kim as a puppet figurehead at this point imo. Not that it makes that much of a difference

That's what I meant. I guess I phrased it poorly. Kim is basically constitutional monarch.

kys

Who the fuck are you responding to you sperg?

How does this make any goddamn sense?

Hold on I speak tankie let me translate

Completely wrong and not based in reality.

1) The law of value is transhistorical, as in not restricted to capitalism. An entire abolition of the law of value can only be possible when post-scarcity is achieved, which the DPRK can barely do considering the current condition under which they operate, However, the law of value works very different in socialist economies than in capitalist ones.
2) Production in the DPRK is for use, not for exchange, which is the precondition for commodity production.
3) there are market relations between between state owned firms
Untrue. The economy in the DPRK is centrally planned regarding the key industires, while local firms are worker-controlled cooperatives working independently to prove the locals with small consumer products.
4) If you are referring to the special economic zones, they are making up less than 5% of the GDP, it's marginal sure you can critisize that, but I do think critisizing that 5% of the DPRK production is for exchange isn't legitimate, especially considering that they are under constant imperialist attack.

Military has an importan role due to their constant siege situation, but the economy is organized by the Supreme People's Assembly, which means the population has more democratic control over their country than capitalist democracies.

I support the YPG as long as their relationship to the U.S. doesn't compromise their principles. I don't support the North Korean government, but I don't support U.S. intervention on the Korean peninsula.

It hasnt freed the working classes though and that has to be achieved.

What are you even talking about?

naturalgasworld.com/iran-iraq-and-syria-gas-pipeline

This was circulating in 2013, a proposed pipeline to connect the NG field in Qatar with Europe to make the EU no longer dependend on Russian gas.

Several researchers at the MIT have concluded that the claims about the 2013 gas attack as well as the 2017 one are highly dubious and inconsistent (and would make no sense). Are you believing everything the Pentagon puts out?

Well what would "freeing the working class" entail in your opinion? Surely you are aware that working under the massive restraints and shackles of imperialist aggression like the DPRK does only allows for so much progress towards an utopia?

You know that their principles include spreading the revolution to all of Syria if possible? So if Assad isnt willing to give them their autonomous zone they will continue the fight and wont say no to american help to do that.

The pipeline is not the primar reason for the war and plays no larger role in the conflict over Syria.

You fell hook and sink for the Russian propaganda campaign, thanks for letting me know that I can safely discard your opinions of Syria.

Most people here share that view, but it shouldn't mean that the opposite view should be banned. Also, there are times when intervention, even from the US is the best choice. And while you may disagree with me. We should argue about it instead of just gettin authoritarian like BO.

Are you actually trying to make an argument? The US has yet to provide actual evidence, meanwhile academics conclude that the narrative about the gas attacks have to be reconsidered. Are you seriously implying the MIT is a Russian think tank?

Then what is the reason? Enlight me?

The whole "anti-imperialist" stance is that western powers want a balkanized Syria. If they challenge Assad and succeed for control over the region than what's the problem? Hypothetically either Assad or Rojava having control over the whole region is preferable to a stalemate with two new split states

Anyway this whole meltdown will be irrelevant when the US decides to sell Rojava down the river in order to make a new pact with Erdogan. Let's see what the new freakout is gonna be about when the US decides Turkey and their forces should have control over either.

Wow really tingles the edges

Additionally to that, another article:

welt.de/politik/ausland/article165905578/Trump-s-Red-Line.html

All Russian propaganda? Hail Trumo I guess…

Trump*

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counterproposal: ban all tankies

Define tankie, as you faggots seem to think that every non-anarchist is a tankie. Even so, tankies should not be banned. No one should be banned for an honest opinion, no matter how retarded.

this. whether or not you're a tankie is regardless.

this is a problem of banning opinions, as leftists we should vehemently fight this. do not allow your ideological sectarianism cloud your mind.

What a load of bullshit, I regret reading all of this crap. You know this isn't Holla Forums or facebook, being a pseudo-intellectual retard who thinks that writing a lot makes him a badass genius or something isn't welcome here.

That article contradicts the Russian story, the Syrian story and the american story on no proof, and relying on a single anonymous source and got rejected by various other papers for being shit.

Still waiting for replies, you bunch of demagogues and hysterics.

oh look, it's Howard and his Alter Ego Space :^)

Hi pol. I hope you enjoy our anarkiddie internal crisis. Writing "a lot" doesn't make me an badass genius, it just shows that I actually care. Now go back to your raid thread.

Leftists have been banning opinions for decades, its why you own absolutely nothing in the government anymore. People hate it when they get stifled as a way of forced superiority. Just look at the strawpoll here for fucks sake. The only reason the BO even has this rule is because he doesnt want "dangerous opinions" floating around. That says volumes about what he thinks about how well we can handle discourse and debate.

I'm going to murder Bashar Al-Assad with a bottle rocket and there is nothing you can do to stop me.

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lmao

really makes you think

youtube.com/watch?v=cVIwepliNeo

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1. CAPITALISTS WILL SELL US THE ROPE WE USE TO HANG THEM
2. Have you not seen The Dark Knight Rises? Bane spells this out. Even Chris "Bravo" Nolan understand strategy better than "anti-imperialist" leftists.
youtu.be/3C_BubeBU8E relevant bit at1:00

I think he was referring to the other person you replied to in your post previous to this one.

Bad comprehension, you are too anxious.

And this thread is exactly why I hate tankies. Fucking BO displaying some Reddit tier shot too. Fuck this