US shoots down Syrian government aircraft

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By Peter Symonds
19 June 2017

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Spooky
And to think a probable majority people still don't believe Imperialism is anything other than a conspiracy.
Not that I care about someone who will likely turn his back on Rojava anyway.

What's the US' game here?
Hobble Assad's ability too fight insurgents basically?

Since ISIS is collapsing they need a new proxy army to fight him since launching yet another war with American troops in the middle East is politically untenable. They need to provide a safe space "de-escalation zone" to train up their new band of cannon fodder.

I wonder what would have happened if that had been a Russian jet that got shot down? Are the Americans really do desperate to get Assad that they'd risk world war? If things are that close to the wire they must be seriously worried about something that we aren't aware of. Political pressure from the Saudis? Or has Trump just ceded control of the project to the Pentagon, who have been itching to shove Russia's shit in since Vietnam? A frightening thought.

My guess is this. Worked for the DoD for 12 years, it's run like a factory except the product is death. These guys get promoted on metrics like missions and kills. Wars are like free rounds of promotions for everyone.

Oh, good, and here I was worrying.

Obama wanted to invade Syria and oust Assad before ISIS even existed.
wsws.org/en/articles/2012/08/syri-a22.html
The only reason that did not occur was public pressure in the US. Then suddenly ISIS turns up and starts fighting a war in Syria and trying to oust Assad.
Just saying.

First as tragedy, then as farce

Russian military halts Syria sky incident prevention interactions with US as of June 19 – Moscow

" The Russian Defense Ministry announced it is halting cooperation with its US counterparts in the framework of the Memorandum on the Prevention of Incidents and Ensuring Air Safety in Syria following the coalition’s downing of a Syrian warplane.

The ministry has demanded a thorough investigation by the US military command into the incident with the Syrian government military jet, with the results to be shared with the Russian side.

DETAILS TO FOLLOW"

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WELL THEN

Latter image wrong one

Fuck the war, post more azn qts

They totally skimmed over this on Good Morning America. But did you know that exercise not only makes you fitter, but helps with test scores? Strange but true!

So doesn't this mean that there's basically an open air war between the US and Russia now?

syrian planes bombed sdf positions in raqqa a while ago , its not really a black and white case of usa bad assad good

i don't understand why so many leftists seem to cate so deeply about syrian sovereignty

How exactly is the US unilaterally declaring a piece of Syria it's personal property in order to protect its proxy forces not a black and white issue

I crave the one or two days of smugposting I'd have between official war being declared and dying in a nuclear hellscape

Is it happening?

The first battle will be between Trump's unquenchable ego and his desire for profit. There isn't much profit in nuclear war, but can he actually summon the wherewithal to soothe tensions with the Russians and face down the generals?

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It's not like I wanted war peace anyways

Isn't it more like Turkey, US, Saudi Arabia and Israel vs Syria, Russia and China?

All imperialist powers fighting each other, not much different from the last two.

unlikely. He needs a war right now to take heat off him domestically and get those approval numbers up

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That is the area that is occupied by the SAA…

rojava existed before us intervention, you're describing an autonomous region allying with the usa as if the usa artificially created it to oppose assad

Don't forget to factor in all those regional conflicts that the status quo keeps in check. If Russia, China, and NATO are all busy fighting each other, then that will give the various regional powers free hand to settle old scores.

pretty old map, saa and sdf gained a lot more territory

Except that is exactly what happened

did obama invent kurds or something?

Were the Kurds independent before US intervention cooked up this phony "civil war?" Did the Kurds make all the American military equipment successive governments have been funneling them all by themselves?

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You can try to muddy the issue with socialist purity nonsense but the purity or impurity of Rojava's Socialism has no bearing on whether or not it was artificially created.

It also won't matter anyway if the region gets purge with nuclear fire because the US is looking for a fight.

Why did Assad fight Rojava in the first place?

From a strategic point of view, did he expect to fight off ISIS/rebels AND a US-backed state at the same time?
Did he not expect the coalition forces to back the YPG or something?
With one continent and a half wanting him dead, idk why he expect to get out of this with his borders intact.

He should have respected the Kurds autonomy on condition of them not allying with the US.
But that ship has sailed long ago. Now years of war effort has gone to waste fihgting them and he lost the northern territories an anyways, given that I see no end to the de facto American control of the area.

Now even if he extended a friendly hand with a painful smile, the US is not just going to pack everything and leave their new bases there.

Wew

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Yeah, I agree. It seems like he would have had more to gain by just making peace with them, finish off IS, and then make whatever deal with them they he could. Inviting them to ally themselves with the US seems like a bonehead move.

I'm inclined to believe that the Syrians were actually bombing IS, or believed that they were at least. It just seems like another gas attack false flag type thing, but I don't know for sure. Sometimes people actually do behave in ways contra to their self interest for one reason or another. And it's not like Assad is an angel. It's not beneath the US to just make stuff up, either, aside from the fact that they have no legal justification for being there in the first place.

I guess it's pretty easy to win arguments when you just make up positions to defeat with greentexting.

rest in pepperoni earth and all its inhabitants, we had a good run. gonna get drunk and pretend we're not all going to die soon

Ok, get drank, but read theory while you're at it. Even if we don't, the Idea must survive.

gonna try and finish To Our Friends while hammered just for the hell of it

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Fucking BASED Trump #MAGA
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As a "Saudi puppet" Rojava supporter I honestly welcome this move.

Why?

I'd prefer Russia to subvert US imperialism in Rojava so the SDC wouldn't have to rely so heavily on the US airpower, if that makes sense.

We should've shilled for Jeb! tbh. We could've prevented this.

A neocon wouldn't want to push for war?

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Yeah, makes sense to me.

How bad is it user

you don't say !

Updated map
FUCKING YES, finally a neighbour who don't want them dead. Now they can actually do legit trades and are no longer dependent by Erdogan's pet Kurds led by Berzani.

Are you literally 12?????

Did you forget about the US-Iraqi relations eroding lately to the point, where the government considers asking Russians for air support?

Did you 4get 'bout imperialism?

srsly, fuck the fuck off

It is in fact litteraly this without any question. Trump has let the operational reign veer when it comes to utilizing the armed forces towards the DoD. They also announced a troop surge in Afghanistan, which had come after Trump left Mattis a free hand to choose how to handle Afghanistan.
nytimes.com/2017/06/13/world/asia/mattis-afghanistan-military.html?_r=0

Imperialism ain't worth shit, if the subjects you lord over ally themselves with your sitcom rival on one side and literally Hitler on the other side, because they are praying to the same god or something stupid like that.
I hope your understanding of Marxism isn't on the same superficially liberal level as your understanding of geopolitics.

>the subjects you lord over
>with your sitcom rival
WEW

So a world war

reuters.com/article/us-saudi-boats-marjan-idUSKBN19A0J6?il=0


Hope you guys are ready for another war

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uhhh… first of all, It's pretty obvious that Trump is a Russian puppet and putin hacked the election so what you're saying is ridicilous. why would trump want to fight his boyfriend? secondly that's not an argument.

This is going to be the most spectacular disaster in the history of hitherto existing society.

I will never understand why the Arabs don't just play along with whatever the US wants to do with the oil shit.

Ya'll coulda prevented this, yearme?

what type of fucking slut take pics like these?!
i bet she posted it on fb too

Hi, welcome to Holla Forums.

Lurk more faggot.

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I don't think it's his forst day here, he sounds like someone in their first week online

All the more reason for him to stop posting and lurk more.

reminder

am i supposed to know her?

This honestly. "If only someone had predicted the material conditions would…" will probably be my last smug words.

I'm sure it has nothing to do with how haunted you are.

Why is Saudi so horny for a war? First they went after Qatar and now this

They're on borrowed time, just like the US. Without their big NATO buttbuddy to back them up, there's no way they'll be able to defeat Iran. Iran has more than double the Arabian population. They'd be hosed.

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By Bill Van Auken
20 June 2017

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I remember watching a piece about Putin. Basically Putins job in the KGB was professional shmoozer. He supposedly addmited as much. He had all these techniques that sounded like PUA stuff but appearently were real spycraft.

Anyway they said Bush Jr fell for this shit hook line and sinker and Putin had him eating out of his hand. Trump seems as simply minded as Bush so Putin probably put the moves on Trump too. Probably gave him a blowie, no homo though cause it was just a game of homo chicken and Trump wouldn't back down.

Ugh I better buy a rifle, and a hydroponic farm.

It's not really fucking good enough, is it? NATO should be disbanded and the parasites in America should fend for themselves instead of putting all of Europe in danger.

This is, what, the second or third time this "deconfliction" shit has broken down? I doubt the Syrians/Russians are going to put up with it for much longer. It's pretty obvious by now that the US doesn't give a shit about it and are just trying to goad them into conflict.

Stop. Stop it. Stop the ride! I want to get off.

I hope the US tries to have a joke and sends a pilot just over the river and gets themselves shot down into ISIS territory. See how they play that one.

I imagine the headlines will read something like NAKED RUSSIAN AGGRESSION DOWNS AMERICAN PILOT IN ISIS TERRITORY, TRUMP VOWS SWIFT REPRISALS ON TWITTER

Russia can do no wrong to the US from here on in my eyes, they said a while ago that if the US puts boots down in Syria it will be treated as a declaration of war. Now they're thinking about military bases and shooting down Syrian planes. Fuck them and fuck NATO.

Word

U.S. just shot down "an Iranian-made Syrian drone"

ebin

sorry, just saw it on tv
twitter.com/moneyries/status/877151294993178624

further confirmation
rt.com/usa/393219-us-aircraft-drone-syria/

If the bombs drop before I get off work, it was nice shit posting with you all.

I come to wooswoos threads for the qts

i dont even care anymore. just let it end fam

I know that feel.

What's somewhat worrying is that the Syria situation seems to be out of control. Either the US is trying to talk out both sides of its mouth, or there's no clear directive from whoever's in charge. First they shoot down a jet, then say they want to de-escalate, keep the channels open, etc, and then they shoot down a drone. That seems like the exact opposite of "de-escalation."

youtube.com/watch?v=rYE84KgOPXY

What movie is that webm from?

Boku no Battletron: Legacy of Suzumiya

Two-houR lOng chase sequeNce: Legacy

Dankon.

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Who is this semen demon?