Communist Parties

IMAGINE MY SHOCK

To be honest it doesn't really matter if your party is a DPRK-apologist or just SocDem. Actually it doesn't even matter if your party is liberal, left or conservative.

You'll always have to defend the party line. That's how politics work, both in bourgeois parliamentarian systems as well in democratic centralism.

CPC - Communist Party of Canada
Summary: Shit.

ML-PC - Marxist-Leninist Party of Canada
Summary: Shit.

Parti Rhinoceros
Summary: /ourguys/

What do you think of the Kommunistische Initiative? Do you know if the DKP is still kicking out members that has contact to them?

Yes, but being obligated to defend North Korea feels a bit different from having to defend social democracy with neoliberal characteristics (Swedish Social Democratic Party), since North Korea is so controversial. I just imagine the uncomfortable conversations I would have with my friends or like my dad or something.

Based. I hope that in their cooperation with the KPD that they achieve unity among the Marxist-Leninist clusterfuck in Germany. However, I believe they have been too hard on the DKP. They recently critisized the DKP for entertaining good relations with the CPC, and defending "socialism with chinese characteristics". I think this is short-sighted. The DKP is member of the IMCWP, which is probably the biggest meeting of (actual) communist parties arround the world, and the CPC is an integral part of it, also China does support a lot of communist movements. The DKP was asked to hold the IMCWP in Germany, which isn't possible because we don't have the funds. We are reliant on countries like China, Vietnam or Laos, which are ruled by ML, because without them organizing these events is impossible.

I don't know, they don't exist in Bavaria. In Bavaria, being a member of the DKP is already making you an enemy of the state - you can't work at the university, for example.

No, i don't

DPRK isn't that bad. They just engaged in some sort of weird "cultural revisionism".

eastsidemarxism.wordpress.com/dprk-page/

eastsidemarxism.wordpress.com/dprk-misconceptions/

However, I agree with your concerns. Do they really force you to pledge alligiance to the immortal science of Marxism-Leninism-Jucheism in public, in front of normies? This is absolutely retarded. Defending North Korea makes you a social outcase unless the current conditioning is overcome.

Yes you do. If you aren't on the party line, you won't get far.

The key is to get a influential position within in the party and then change the party line yourself,

This applies to every party in the world, not just leftist ones. Corbyn did this thing last year.

i werd narrisch, a bayer is er a no

Frangge. Momentan in der bajuwarischen Diaspora südlich des Altmühltals

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I need to do more research. I know much of what is said about DPRK in the media is literally made up bullshit. A lot of stuff about the DPRK seems fucked up to me though.

I don't know to what extent they expect you to defend the party line. I don't even know how much they support North Korea, I just noticed that they link to the workers' party of Korea on their website among their "allies" or whatever (same with communist party of Vietnam, China, Cuba, etc.). But they did talk about democratic centralism and stuff which usually means that the party line is decided democratically within the party but then everyone is supposed to uphold the decisions made.

Canada?

yes

the DPRK is hardly ever an issue and you don't have to defend it beyond the very fact that the situation is escalated by the US presence that installed a fascist military junta in the south and that it was them massacring civilians both in the north and even after the war in the south against democratic student movements.

I wouldn't join it if I were you. From what I've heard from a friend in Kommunistiska Partiet they both seem to fight each other a lot (mostly over international connections it seems lel). I wouldn't join any of those two parties since they seem to mostly consist of LARPers.

They aren't very noticeable either from what I've seen. I know Kommunistiska Partiet do some speeches every now and then and sell their paper (Proletären) and SKP I've only seen a few posters from. Maybe I'm cynical as fuck but both parties strike me as not really wanting do achieve something.

CPI (ireland). M-L, strong and cooperative campaigners, great bookshop, debates, music and other cultural activities. they have never made me defend juche in public.

also for interest's sake i have worked on and off over 8 years with the CPC (china). obviously in qualitatively different kinds of activities (translation). they are an impressively professional well-staffed and well-funded party who also did not require me to defend DPRK but on the negative side my criticism of post-Deng reforms fell on deaf ears.

I agree that these communist parties need to take a fucking look in the mirror and start to seriously think about what they want to achieve and how to achieve it. There is definitely a lot of LARPing. They seem to focus to much on shit that doesn't matter, like putting up stickers and walking around with pictures of Che on May 1st and shit like that. I'm not sure exactly what they should do but they need to start appealing to real people somehow, and start thinking like Lenin or someone instead of just repeating Lenin's words and carrying around pictures of Lenin, etc.

Jag vet den känslan, kamrat.

I also noticed that they focus much on "the battle of ideas" (aka idealism). Like, trying to debunk myths about communism, or organizing study groups, etc. to educate people in Marxism. There's a place for that as well but I think their first priority needs to be directly appealing to people's material interests. Finding out what problems regular, working people face and offer real, concrete solutions to those problems.

Purge all the grandpas.

They need to become hardcore economists. I hate to say it, but the key lies in emulating Silicon Valley type technocrats but with having expertise in central planning. Paul Cockshott should be read by fucking everybody in every ML party. Also, shill for Kerala EVERY FUCKING TIME.

This only concerns First World ML tho. In the Third World, they should be MLMs.

PC(AP)
"anti-revisionist" ML , hoxhaist party from Chile

at first sight one could think it's good (because they try to look more dogmatic than the full demsoc PC), but after some time in there you realize it's just a bunch of liberals and ignorant fuckers who have an irrational slav-fetish.
they unironically think venezuelan, north korean and syrian regimes are socialist

they all hate trotsky without any reason more than the irrational fetishization of daddy stalin defeating teh nazis.
they don't realize the problem with trotskyism isn't trotsky himself nor their academic work, but the overrepresentation of neoliberal hippies militating in their socdem parties.
they don't know what socialism woud look like
they don't have an army (as long as i know).

lt;dr they're a bunch of life-stylist liberals larping as bolchevics.

Why the change?

I'd accept somebody saying Assad is anti-imperialist (he is) but socialist? He fucking privatized a whole bunch of the economy. Assadism isn't even Ba'athism any more.

Why is there so many fucking old people in communist parties in the first place? Nothing wrong with old people, it's just weird. Maybe they're just leftovers from the late 60's/early70's left wing movements.

This guy just recently caught my attention. Can't wait to read Towards a New Socialism.

Why?

you hit the head on the fucking nail there, famalam

It really irritates me. I used to be active with in Vänsterpartiet (The Left Party for you non-Swedes, they're democratic socialists) but even they were fucking shitty. Maybe it was just my area but the leftist parties don't real seem to target certain key areas. They just stand in the middle of town and hope people come up to them and send some newsletters.

I actually suggested that we go out to the countryside/shitty areas in our municipality to campaign and engage with people since the far-right has been growing there and essentially pushing the same themes as us but with muh immigrants and muh past glory days. The response I got was "Okay!" and nothing happening and later two people acted like I said WE should become far-right. Those two then started talking about how we needed to tell them that the far-right is "bad and dumb" and that'll show 'em.

Though idiots I guess are pretty hard to avoid regardless of party. Those two were a minority but everyone's so fucking passive. Nothing is being done.

c'mon, assad isn't socialist nor anti-imperialist.
he still support monopolies, even though they're not foreign ones.

Because in the Third World the material conditions demand militant struggle. Maoist-Third Worldism is correct about a lot of things you know. Just ignore Jason Unruhe, who literally shills for First World communists to do nothing.

Our generation became "cool" by becoming neoliberals, to rebel against their hippie parents. People from the 60s/70s movement rebelled against their hardcore conservative parents.

Kerala has a ML party in power, has the highest human development in all of India, and has a council system which controls the means of production as well as the welfare state.

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12321040

I have my files about the socialist council system of Kerala on my other computer, maybe I post it later

He isn't socialist, but clearly anti-imperialist.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qatar–Turkey_pipeline

Arab nationalism is de facto fighting global capital.

Everyone says that shit about Vänsterpartiet. I've heard, from multiple people, that members of Ung Vänster don't wanna go out to areas where a lot of immigrants live because it's dangerous, etc.

Since you guys are Swedish, is this Holla Forums meme about rapes and immigrant violence correct about Sweden? I've heard so many contradictions about this in the media and I have no idea what is trustworthy.

now this remind me of uncle kropotkin supporting zarist russia in it's struggle against german imperialism.

why someone should change their ideology according on the country? that sounds spooky af, i mean, someone should support the right position only…

historical conditions, opportunities, & restraints that communist parties inherit differ globally. there will be differences btwn core peripheral & inbetween countries and regions. its not changing ideology its changing tactics.

Except that is a pretty bad comparison, won't you agree?

What? They don't change their ideology, they are changing their praxis. Material conditions demand militant struggle in Third World countries, which is the case in Nepal right now.

No idea what you are actually trying to say. Why is it that Leftcoms are always overly aggressive against other tendencies?

Exactly. I mean if you claim to be a leftcom you should at least understand the basics of materialism lmao

Nah, according to Holla Forums (even certain Swedes on there) you can't go outside without being robbed/raped/murdered which isn't true at all. Anyone trying to paint a picture of any part of Sweden as some American extreme violence place is a idiot.

I mean yes there are immigrants who do shit but nowhere near like how it's portrayed by Holla Forums. If it was we'd be living in some Mad Max Nazi masturbation fantasy.

nothing personal kid, it's just that i (unlike all of you, law of value supporters) don't like porky to facefuck me.

not quite, both assad and nicholas II were dictators who helped national monopolies to exploit people, whether it were within their national borders, or outside.

i agree on that different material conditions should change the military strategies used by the proletariat during the revolution, not their ideology, but ML and MTW are different in their academic roots, duh.

This is what I meant. That's pretty much on the same level as calling you a quasi-fascist. Absolutely what we need, more sectarianism by irrelevant fringe tendencies.

What a crude reductionism. National monopolies are not necessarily imperialist. You are seriously comparing a feudal monarch to a 21st century secular Arab strongman. I never claimed Assad is in any way socialist. Feel free to actually denounce him by his economic policy, but to label everything you don't like as imperialism is pretty fucking infantile and ignorant regarding geopolitics,

Are you referring to the Frankfurt School?

that's what i read.
there is only one true position, and that is anti-fetishist, scientific socialism.

borders are spooks, no matter whether you exploit people in """"your"""" """country""" or in another, you are still being an opressor.
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no, im refering that MTWs are not marxist at all.

Cheat sheet for not being a faggot:
Germany: Die Linke
France: Wherever Melenchon is
UK: Labour (hit the streets)
Greece: Join any street movement

And some utopian nerd like you is the authority on that, right? Sober up

Borders are social constructs. And now? What's you point? What are you proposing? Oh right, you don't propose anything because you are an utopian. Marx would have rolled in his grave.

And here I was expecting some intelligent input from a Leftcom who read Horkheimer. Recently converted Holla Forumsack that has yet to catch up with reading? Have you read anything about MTW, especially regarding unequal trade, or postcolonial theory?

Not currently in any parties or orgs since the socialist left in Australia is close to non-existent and I've never felt that my joining any of them would do anyone any good. These are the ones I've personally interacted with, but there are more I'm not familiar with at all.

Tendency: Marxist-Leninist

basically the inheritors of the old cold war left here after the old CPA dissolved when the USSR fell and these guys (formerly Socialist Party of Australia) took on the name. Pretty typical M-Ls, focused on trade unionism/old fashioned labour activism, Aboriginal rights, anti-imperialism and all the usual stuff. Good people, very friendly and welcoming, skew pretty old. Still have connections with diplomats etc. from the few existing socdem or ML states (Venezuela, Cuba) and it's worth going to one of their Politics in the Pub events in the major cities, especially when they host an interesting guest speaker

Tendency: Orthodox Trots more or less

If you've ever read wooswoos you know what these guys are like. Incredibly sectarian, really intense, a little creepy sometimes. Habit of having their analysis scoffed at as pessimistic or self-serving only to later turn out to be correct.

Tendency: Trots, theoretically

Not affiliated with the CWI like SAlt USA. I think they might be or were associated with IST? Not sure. Hated by and hostile to pretty much everyone else on the left in Australia. I've only really encountered them at demos where they shout over everyone else and are almost as bad for pointlessly antagonising everyone as anarchists. Official line rejects "identity politics", on the ground seem to be interesting in nothing but. Used to be (still is?) a poster here who was a member for a short while and described cult-like behaviour, but I've never been close enough to see anything like that for myself. Accuse everyone else of being "middle-class parties" when they themselves consist of almost nothing but middle-class uni students.

Can you tell I can't stand these cunts?

Tendency: Trots maybe, demsocs maybe, greenies maybe, who the fuck knows

Hippies, de-facto Greens voters who are a little more radical and micronationalists usually end up at least on the edges of this group. They seem nice enough, have a couple of local city councilors elected here and there. Flit from campaign to campaign depending on what particularist issue hot at any given time and mostly treat socialism as an afterthought. Encountered them in the wild a couple of times and they seem like nice people but there's only so many white guys with dreads and bohemian uni chicks in hemp shawls I can stomach. If you're at a demo and looking to score some grass, find the Socialist Alliance guys and they'll sort you out.

i see, you have a trouble accepting anti-fetishism? or maybe you are still reluctant to scientific socialism??

im proposing that there is no actual difference between what nicholas II did and what assad is doing now, duh.

no, unruhe, superexploitation doesn't exist.
revolution can only succeed in the first world (if you don't want a fuckton of deaths).
MTW is totally anti-marxist, fetichist and reactionary piece of pseudoscientific shit.

we may remember marx's phrase on the subject: "the more-developed country shows the less developed an image of its own future."

The year is not 2012.

choose OAKKE

forgot to put off my shitpost flag

the guys that think russia did 9/11? why?

and militant struggle is not a part of orthodox ML praxis?
what advantages MLM praxis has?
this Mao shit about special conditions are pure bullshit especially in today's world of global value chains
Chinese characteristics my ass, Mao was the original Deng, margarine commie, chinese Khruschev

it always amuses me when Maoshits try to coopt theory of imperialism as their own invention, their "contribution", as if Marxist analysis of modern imperialism is not based in Lenin's and broad Marx's theory

I've never seen Amin or Smith appealing to Mao, they both start from the empirical phenomenon of globalisation of value chains and southward shift of manufacturing

this thread is for you

I live in Northern Ireland. I'm interested in joining a party. I'm not sure which one though, there's a bunch of communist or radical socialist parties and they all seem to want much the same things.

Does anyone here also live in Ireland and have any recommendations?

I posted . In my opinion the important factors to consider are (a) your attitude to partition because like it or not this infects everything in NI and (b) how comfortable you are with trots.
PBPA are the SWP, who are anti-partition trots. NI Labour alternative are the SP, pro-partition trots. WP are a shadow of their former selves. Everyone I've met from the IRSP has been mad, in a good way. I once ran into an irp from Strabane randomly in Beijing, he was there doing research for the party and playing football for Beijing Celtic. WP and IRSP are anti-partition ML parties. There's eirigi, a new-ish party who seem like left-wing anti-GFA republicans. I don't know much about them except that Ciaran Murphy shills for them and he's not a bad folk singer.
The CPI are all-island and broadly anti-sectarian, but quite Dublin-centric.
Knock around with a few of them and see what the craic is.

Egal wohin du gehst, eine authentische Linke wirst du in Deutschland nicht finden. Da hillft keine Partei weiter , vor allem keine (offiziell) ML Parteien.

Ausfag here. Never joined a party, owing to all the ones in my area being shit, but I have a chunk of experience with the members of them.

Absolute garbage. Spoke to some of their (proclaimed) members online and in person and wound up being called a 'white imperialist'. I hadn't even said anything that could have been considered racially oriented or imperialist, he just jumped straight onto "YOU WHITE MALE!" as an insult. I've heard rumors that certain sects of SAlt try to hijack strikes and work related protests and turn them into protests about race and sex, but I've never actually personally seen it. Avoid.
More Trots. The things I know of them are almost certainly outdated now. Members seemed to have very low energy and enthusiasm, and handfuls of them weren't even socialists. A member took me under his wings and taught me a shit ton about the history of socialism and socialism in general, and is a great friend to this day. He left the party, apparently because it was becoming less and less socialist by the day, and is "more for angry social democrat students than workers and socialism". Not sure if he had a falling out and was trying to keep me from joining, or if he was correct.
Haven't had much run ins with specific partygoes, but ausfag MLs seem to be a mixture of kids just getting into socialism whose ideology consists of "red is a cool colour xD" and grandpas guarding ancient secrets of beyond.

Nothing screams "quality revolutionaries" like official party line

Every party has an official party line. Wether or not you call it like that doesn't matter

It is a good thing anarchists do not form parties.

That's actually really frustrating to hear since I'm from a rural town where 1/3 votes SD. People here are really class conscious and if V actually came here to interact with us I guarantee most would flip to vote V.

Every year the portuguese communist party makes a party that lasts 3 days. It has many restaurants, from every local communist part delegates, 4 or 5 stages with many artists from all over the world. Book, with debates with authors, political debates, CD shop, an exhibition with a new theme everywhere.

youtube.com/watch?v=mcJCaBtSxkU