BadMouseProductions on Holla Forums

He's just tsundere like the rest of reddit.

god, what an insufferable faggot, i bet queers will be the vanguard of the anarchist revolution

I don't think this is the case here, is it? The demographics of Holla Forums are much different than the imageboard norm.

We are less white than the socialist boards on reddit. We also have a much larger trans community.

A lot of people have problems with the imageboard format, I've noticed.

I don't get it. It's much nicer than having to sign up for a site and we can attach images to our posts. I guess it's a pain if you don't enable inlining, but before userscripts made it easier I still browsed 4chan just fine.

it's psychological. imageboard users represent the next evolution of human consciousness.

Is he really making this argument or am I fucking dumb? I've read that last paragraph a couple of times now. If he is then he's a fucking idiot.

Anonymous boards are literally the same as forums. Are these people children who only know how to use web 2.0 shit?

because every "socialist" on reddit will always make 100% sure everyone is aware of their identity grouping, now they all assume anyone that doesn't tag themselves as black, trans, queer etc must be a straight white man

which is pretty fuckin stupid considering how much they hate heteronormativity, white by default ect

This motherfucker said absolutely nothing of use. He completely avoided answering the question and instead resorted, like every liberal to complaining about the character of the board users rather than doing genuine criticism.

What the fuck does this even mean? Should we abandon class struggle or what and give primacy to your partialist issues? This is the face of opportunism.

So basically they are liberals, not socialists.
You aren't a socialist if your politics aren't directly related to class and worker stuff.

That's right, fam.
Nothing pushes people away more than working class people talking about problems of the working class. What we really need is to embrace the mentally ill and turn our politics to be all about their specific non-issues bullshit. That is really doing wonders for our image and our movement.

Newbies have to get used to it, it's easy when you get it though. People don't realize they just have to filter things out themselves and need to click things in a certain way, read things in a certain way, to pick the threads you want to watch.
Also this:

I guess things are just different here, but we all got used to it. Maybe it's a bit harder to get into, maybe it's just different.
Maybe it's interesting to introduce someone not experienced with this format and record their experiences with learning it. I can still remember my first time on 4/b/ and I was just confused. It was just so different.

The left is dead and has been dead for all the time it has been idpol shit. The only time it was succesfull in any way was when it was filled with normal avarage joes instead of vegan environmentalist bleeding heart types.

The warehouse somebodies dad owns where you and your mates recite your slam poetry does not count as an anarchist space m8

Isn't BadMouse a young, middle class, white guy?

Not to defend anarkiddies or anything but that is the only kind of "radical" politics that is allowed in most western countries.

Pure lifestylism.

He’s a retard. We need to get workers on our side. All the bourgeois faggot can BTFO. There watering down, alienating and passifing the leftist movement. We need to be a moment that people don’t think were faggots.

Now this is a person I can take seriously.

We're whiter than Holla Forums and more colorful than r/soc. Idpol is one hell of a drug.

Hardly so. It's just inconsequential character attacks and autistic screeching.
So he admits off the bat that it's a numbers game for him and that he's not interested in real change regarding the base of society.
Ahem!
clears throat
schniffs
LOOK AROUND YOU. SANDERS, MELENCHON, CORBYN, WAGENKNECHT. FUCK YOU AND YOUR SAFE SPACE!
Hello were are the proofs
Look, you Clintonite neoliberal pieces of shit had decades to try your pitch. You tried and failed. Move aside.
Boo hoo. What are you going to do about it, you autistic retard? The world is ending because of climate change driven by capitalism and imminent nuclear warfare, and you want for us to worry about trannies? fucking trannies? No. It's not happening. You're not leftist and never were. You're just a stooge of capital. Go tongue the nuts of your multicultural bourgeoisie some more - you'd be better off than associating yourself with the Left.

Seriously? So projection really does accompany all idpol, doesn't it?

This is my thought on BadMouse.

It's funny that the anti-idpol crowd is simultaneously working class, 60 year old, FUCKING WHITE MALES, and middle class, 20 year old, FUCKING WHITE MALES.

How do we stop the largest group in the western world being the largest group in western politics?

don't fucking dare reply with "but user muh white wimminz is the largest" you fucking pedants i know you're reading this

the worst idpol race/sexwarriors on the "left" and the right tend to be upper middle class white dudes

I like BadMouse, and he is right to a degree

This isbthe reason I'll never be an anarchist, no matter how much I miht agree with (parts) of their ideology. It always attracts people who just eg. can't distinct between criticism of idpol and actually reactionary through. But who cares? I can just integrate any negative reaction of ehat I stand for directly into my beliefs and dismiss them on my own frounds, based on their (alleged) identity.

he's okay but his bourgy background shows

But if you read Proudhon, Bakunin, Kropotkin, Makhno, and Malatesta, they and others were all firm class warriors and against idpol! These people calling themselves anarchist while advocating idpol are not anarchists! They never have been and never will be!
Plus, just as many of the SJWs call themselves Marxist as there are those who call themselves anarchist. Both are neither - they're just liberals.

Who would have guessed that the "anarchist" is just a liberal that thinks that trustfund queers are a revolutionary subject!

Is it really so surprising that 19th century authors didn't care much for those on the edges of society, even at the time? These authors were probably also not very anti-racist; does that mean that racism doesn't exist? Or that racism isn't worth fighting? Or what?

Saying we should only care about what other people care about for the sake of some misguided ideological purity is silly. I herad that homosexuals were put in jails in the USSR. Even Stalinists submit that was wrong to do, and reprehensible.

medium effort troll

I'm not trolling, though I'd appreciate it if you can tell me where you disagree, perhaps we can come to some understanding. I'm actually rather divided on this myself. I hang around three groups of people who bill themselves socialists, and one of those groups is Holla Forums - and this seems to be the exception, so I'm curious why.

I really just want to learn, so it would be nice if you don't accuse me of trolling right off the bat.

But really, he's not wrong. Calling each other retards and faggots and autists is puerile and immature, but I like \leftiepol\'s mosh-pit style atmosphere. Sometimes I don't want Her Majesty's Rule's Oxford Revised Twelfth Edition Debate and Oratory for Proper Gentlepersons and I just want to get into it with someone.

At the same time I can understand some teenager from West Bumblefuck who gets shit on all day at school not wanting to be casually called faggot in his down time.

But I don't think it needs to be a one or the other thing, either.

Fucking this. We do not need a thesaurus to discuss things on a high level, and we do not need a language police to express ourselves.

That's part of the libertine/playful aspect of imageboards, we call each other faggots and niggers (two of the biggest no-no words in polite society) as an afront to social mores.

I wouldn't even consider faggot an insult on imageboards though. We're all faggots here.

Nobody is actually sure where the much lauded texts shilling for idpol comes from, and nobody ever actually puts their theory where their mouth is and shows you something that isn't a shitty blogpost. Marx kicked out feminists from the first international because they were fucking around and dividing people - so foots were put down pretty early on.

He seems to be implying that, yes, or at least that such an atmosphere is de facto unwelcoming to those sorts of people.

As though the sorts of people that use image boards aren't "dregs" themselves.

faggot get thrown around so much that homosexuals call themselves gayfags. everyone is a fag

Kropotkin, Makhno, and Malatesta all wrote in the 20th century.
No, racism isn't worth fighting. See: that Stokely Carmichael quote about race and power; it sums this up well.
No they don't. Lurk more.

glad he's not here.
everyone who holds this opinion will be thrown in the canal when i'm re-elected.

knew someone would call me out on something totally irrelevant like this

it's worth nothing that the lives of people can be made bad even in the absence of power relations; of course you can never get rid of bigotry or prejudice etc. but to make no effort to do so would seem to result in a situation where a group is wishing and indeed will seize at the first opportunity power over the people they hate

There are people who really defend homos being put in prison? I've been here for about 1 year and I assumed it was just shitposting. What's their justification for it?

A few here do, not all. They generally say something stupid like homosexuality is bourgeois decadence. They're retards.

I have no idea why. Maybe it's because I was deeply entrenched in imageboard browsing before Reddit became mainstream or whatever, but I've tried to use it simply because of how many niche boards they have and I still can't stand to even bother for more than a minute.

I think Badmouse spent about 10 minutes looking at the front page and decided we are a left horseshoe version of Holla Forums. What a fag.

I don't think he's being quite that extreme, but rather since we dismiss all idpol like gay culture or cultural appropriation that we're missing out on bringing people to our side. He'd rather waste his time playing word avoidance games and pretending like their toaster-kin struggles have anything to do with leftism on the off chance they might stop being self absorbed drama machines and actually do something.

1. It depends on the context, whether its being used as an actual insult or playful banter. I don't see how its immature to poke fun at yourself for aruging with nobodies about meme philosophy on a chinese cartoon knockoff website.
2. It serves as a filter for those who would rather spend their time arguing which words are too "ableist" instead of actually important matters

So, in conclusion: Badmouse is a person who just migrated from an ancap worldview to legit anarchism amd portrays his liberal bias against actual working class methods and organizations.

I've said this in all previous "badmouse threads" and I will say it again: this useless idiot needs to read dozens of books before he could legitimately make another video.

This brings me to the basic problem of youtube personalities: their public image overwrites all and any basic theorrtical questions. I was initially against Xexxizy, his "libertarian Leninism" and so on, but god damn, this kid actually started reading theory and is on the road of becoming a spokeperson of the working class.

Now compare this to Badmouse! An illiterate monkey, who can't even make a single point without reference to his childhood spent in France…

IMO leftypol should openly attack Badmouse (regardless of idology: anarchist, socdem, or Leninist) and show this talentless hack his proper place.

yes, I'm mad!

I agree with him. I think the connection between idpol dilemmas and capitalism should be made to draw people in.

He's saying if you downplay their problems as not worthy of any attention they won't want anything to do with you or your ideology.

sry bout typos: im on mobile

winnipeg.ca/clerks/boards/citizenequity/pdfs/white_privilege.pdf

yes, and you are clinically retarded

I'm conscious of those things, but to be a anarchist today simply doesn't mean that. The vast majority, at least in my experience, of the anarchist I see are pro-IdPol, and as such to be a of this movement, I would have to agree with this rather fundamental assumption.

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What the fuck is this?

Aye, they're the online equivalent to a roll of quarters or a sock full of D-cells. Frankly, I wouldn't have it any other way. Everywhere else on the internet will give you the boot for the slightest infraction. At least here if I think someone is a dipshit I can say so, and they're free to do the same.

We're all freebooting faggots and if someone doesn't like it then they don't have to stick around.

It's not so much about whether or not those things are worth fighting, so much as how they're fought. Identity politics is generally viewed through the lens of Intersectionality, which divides up all groups into discrete sections. You don't just have Lesbians, you have White Lesbians and Black Lesbians, and then within those you have even more minute groups, and it just goes on for as many layers as there are vectors of oppression.

Examining the unique ways people are oppressed isn't wrong either. Where Holla Forums has traditionally disagreed with this approach is that these examinations are used to divide people and sort them by precedence, to create and designate blame, and create a sort of "oppression olympics" that is utterly poisonous to any kind of solidarity or collective action. White Lesbians can't work with Black Lesbians if the BLs believe that WLs are inherently their enemies because they're white, and therefore muh privileged, and therefore oppressors.

The traditional Holla Forums position is that those distinctions might be theoretically useful, but practically divisive, and that the majority of problems created by that sort of theoretical hierarchy of oppression will evaporate once the coercive power of Capitalism is removed. It doesn't matter if your neighbor hates you for being gay if it just stops at his opinion, for example, but it's a real problem if your neighbor is also your boss and fires you because he thinks your an abomination.

so tl;dr, it's not exactly what you're fighting, but how you fight it. Does it undermine Capitalism's ability to exploit people, a la Jim Crow? Then fight it. Does it seek to integrate certain groups more closely into the Capitalist apparatus, like wanting more female/trans/gay CEOs? It's a distraction from the class struggle and not worth your time.

At least thath's my understanding.

Yeah, I mostly agree on both counts.

Look at his vids. He's an incoherent idiot and brings shame to all of us.

Who gives a shit about his social standing, ffs? One should only look at what he does: confusion.

you are classified an idiot along with Badmouse until you dare to specify the extent to which you agree upon.

Because you daft hat he specifically calls the people he is detracting this in the OP quote.

t. Badmouse

Even worse. He saw the threads about his "work" and thus realized that anons here call out him on his BS.

the foundational text of muh privilege theory

Muke are you just bitter because Badmouse spurned you and didn't pound your sweet sweet boypussy

I was under the impression that it was just an amalgamation of liberal bullshit that academia grabbed on to in order to avoid using marxist analysis in classrooms. No one unironically uses it past the undergrad level.

Are you retarded? "Idpol dilemmas" are all but "issues" regarding the indivifual's "proper place" in capitalism. Idpol is anti-class-struggle.

Welcome to 2017

Cheers m8 that's quite kind of you

How anybody should view Holla Forums. This place is pretty shit and you can't expect a half-decent discussion on here.

For how shit it is, it's still better than any other radical space online.

I hope the leader of the vanguard is some Muslim with a huge hate boner for faggots, and the rest of the lgbt.

I'll bite, nevertheless. Leftypol is currently the best place to have your pre-established beliefs challenged. Reddit, utube, revleft are all dead platforms regarding this principle.

Badmoose's opinion is severly undermined due to this fact. Fuck him.

4gut flag

You didn't need it. I could tell it was you from the other shitty lenin hat posts itt

OMG IMA SO TRIGGERED

He hurt faggot feefee's user, now he must burn I never heard of him

Okay lets just take an example. In the US black people are disproportionately poorer. Why? A person only into idpol will call racism but the reality is the direct result of class immobility leading to them inheriting the economic status of their ancestors. The problem is more capitalism than racism. All you have to do is point that out. Do I have to give more examples?

We need more 50 to 60 y/o working class men talking about Lenin and Trotsky, and less queer college students with pink hair.

Ideally I'd like to have both

But normies don't buy that, they know black people are dumber than some animals

He makes aight YouTube videos. I watch them from time to time. Been doing that since before I even turned red.

The typical response you're gonna get to that post.

This (or similar) arguments is what most folk make though. The ones who hate us for not liking IDPOL just hear that and think we're some "brocialists" who circle jerk around some boyz revolution.

Really makes the old thinker tinker

Plus Asians work ridiculously hard. Way harder than whites who're the go-to model for success. Holding only black/Natives/Mexicans to that standard and then waving the finger at them when their kids ain't master pianists by age 12 and don't graduate from college at 16 is bullshit to say the least.

Did BadMouse touch you when you were small?

BadMouse should go suck my dick like the faggot he is.

lol I'm going to go to BadMouses YouTube channel and spam his comments section calling him FagMouse, and telling that Holla Forums rules, and that were anonymous.

The only good thing about BadMouse it that I found out about Muke from him. Also he needs to disassociate with Shaun “Everyone is racist” & Jen.

>>>Holla Forums

We are /LeftiePol/
We are epic Holla Forumsrothers
We donut dunk, we're naughty as fuck
Get a grip you faggots

youtube.com/watch?v=7Eo9F6cgRLU

The only people i've ever seen Shaun and Jen call racist is Kraut and Tea, who is definitely a racist.

Explain?

Kraut has argued that arab refugees are overrunning Germany and causing a massive crime spree, which is an untrue racist talking point.
Have you ever watched one of Shaun's videos on Kraut? That's something he talked about.

honestly him calling minorities "dregs" is more offensive than most of the anti-idpol shit i see on here

t. "queer" youth

Well he’s correct.

no he isn't.

There’s been a massive crime increase in Germany sense the migrate crisis.

90% of people who identify as 'queer' are just straight white girls with neon hair, anyways

And a large part of why they are dumber is from lower socioeconomic classes which leads to poorer quality of education access. You can apply this sort of logic to anything in theory although it's more difficult for some subjects.

because the neo-nazis keep attacking migrants.

I too am I only here for memes.

yea i remember this one like textbook tumblr feminist white girl i knew who only fucked dudes and had never had a same sex experience, yet insisted on calling herself queer because she fucked dudes with strap-ons

Badmouse is a faggot but a skinny twink who hangs with trots is not a spokesman of the working class nor are they likely to be.

isn't that basically what the huffingtonpost is doing with their huffpostqueer brand?

youtube.com/watch?v=4PuXoOvDYPE

idk what that is but it sounds awful

how do you enable inlining?

Yes, he did touch my pussy when I was 3 years old, but still, that's not the whole reason I think he's a talentless hack. The posts you reply to gib reasonks, btw.

Thing is he doesn't realise this is how the vast majority of people talk, not with racial slurs etc, but calling people dumb or retarded. You can't base your mass movement around something that alienates so many people.

a few months ago Huffington Post opened up their "Huffpostqueer" brand which included a bunch of articles written by straight people who were into light bondage and femdom.

Because when foreigners rape your women. People get angry.

youtube.com/watch?v=u5bnX8v1_6c

There wouldn't be so many migrants in the first place if it were not for imperialism breeding terrorism. There also would be less terrorism if capitalism was abolished from the middle east because the poor education and living conditions makes people cling to religion for comfort and sense of purpose.

lol I come here to decompress BECAUSE I'm """queer""" and get treated like a fucking child in every other leftist forum if I don't keep it a secret. Seriously, how fucked is that? I keep my minority status and my associated sob stories to myself in all the other places I'm active that are supposed to be safe havens for people like me because the fake sympathy, the cynical attempts by cunts to use my personal struggles to demonstrate to each other how virtuous they are and the droning lectures about heteronormativity and the """LGBT community""" make me want to kill myself.

This is the leftist space I've ever told my stories about the problems I've had with being bashed, employer and police discrimination and homelessness because of my sexuality. At least here I can expect some straight up solidarity (as much as you get on an anonymous imageboard) and maybe some material analysis on top of a handful of retards gulagposting.

"Anarchists" are the worst for this shit too. Try just being a pretty normal, working class dude who just happens to like sucking cock and doesn't make a big deal out of it. If you're not a neon-haired, cross-dressing flamer you can expect to be treated like a traitor or "queer uncle tom". Fuck them.

this is pretty true. i know a gay dude who i'm really good friends with and he usually complains about how much it pisses him off that people have "gay" stereotypes and how everyone expects "gay" people to act. he's said before too that it kind of pisses him off when people embellish his gay-ness, like its the only thing that matters about his personality.

kind of funny bc it totally goes against the grain that every idpol leftist believes we must pander and tenderize these people.

i find, more often than not, its the idpol white libs that go out of their way the most for this kind of positive discrimination.

they want to sort sexualities, skin colors, and genders so THEY can feel comfortable. usually they're the ones who pull out the "microagressions" and get all up in arms about what someone chooses to say.

it is strange though how they will usually violate their own policies if its native americans or "POC" that do this. they always cut a huge leash for them, like being backwards and just a general asshole is okay "because racism" or 'because poverty'.

i know that to a degree, poverty breeds shitty people, and its a generational thing. but these people usually just make things worse in the long run imo. they are wholly concerned with cloaking the discussion with 'safe' words and ensuring nobody gets too into a topic.

basically, you could say, sure, they care about race/sex/etc, but only as long as they are allowed to control the narrative.

anytime things get too 'out of control' for their own agenda, shit hits the fan very fast with these types of people.

Identity politics divides people of the same material conditions.
Class politics would unite them against exploitative capitalism which is the root of whatever oppression they face.
I feel like a whole generation of people have been brainwashed to only think in divisive identity politics were they think that demanding more black people in star wars is a real accomplishment while their material conditions decay and they live in a one room apartment and work 3 part time jobs.

A few years back in my 20s I actually spent the better part of a year flirting with right-wing pseudo-trad politics from faggots like Jack Donovan because I just couldn't stand the way I was treated by mainstream leftists and was so sick of the whole culture surrounding the way they dealt with sexual minorities. While I came away from it with a renewed distaste for the right, what I saw when I was there is that there are plenty of older fags and even trannies - even some who were involved in "left-wing" activism in the past - who end up buying into it, not because they find the right and all it's baggage particularly attractive, but because what they see from liberals and (what they perceive as) leftists is so off-putting.

Am gay. Can confirm. Reddit is trash.

I guess what I mean is that while the sort of pseudo-anarchist liberalism and reddit-style leftism is OK and has it's place, it is also immensely helpful to have places and probably even organisations (if the left can get it's shit together that far) that explicitly reject that kind of thinking. Not just so the stereotypical FUCKING STRAIGHT WHITE CIS MALE that guys like BadMouse like to construct strawmen of have somewhere to go without being shat on all the time, but also so that when people like me get tired of all the bullshit, we have other options than rightist rubbish to go to.

I can't tell it this is a threat or he actually thinks the revolution will be won or lost based on what insults were used on some obscure imageboard. This fucking nerd needs to stop taking himself so seriously.

leftypol is important because its a place that by its very nature of anonymity is the polar opposite of idpol. It also allows harsh truths and critiques to be thrown out into reality that would get you perma banned on any other website. Finally its funnier and less uptight than every other leftist shit site.

Also a good way to shut these people down is to tell them that white supremacy is identity politics

He's literally a white middle class kid, he has nothing to say about this. Projection is a bitch.

The left already did this and you can see the result right now.

Still the mods are doing everything they can to ruin that.

No, he's fine.
I'd still call him a faggot and tell him he's spooked by words.
Otherwise, I kind of get get where he's coming from. For instance, I don't think it's great to be a dick for the sake of it. If someone is actually upset and doesn't want me to use certain words around them because they've been used to screw with them or whatever, I'm OK with that because I have a relationship with them. Just don't expect me not to say those things with people who aren't fucked up about it.

wait do people actually like hanging out with the tumblr left? I live in a super libshit city and its just a pain to be around those people especially when they think I give a shit since irl I fake being a socdem. Used to know "anarchists" in high school that I'd meet up with a few times and being around them was stressful as fuck and for some reason they always smelled like shit since they were doing the whole gutterpunk voluntary hobo shit.

like I can understand faking liking these people online but who the fuck would want to spend time with any of them in a beat up warehouse filled with furniture that seems to just function as incredible tinder? ??

perfectly agree. It's not perfect, but to be honest we really don't have that many far left youtubers and he does bring good content to the platform.

literally the first link of an "arson" in the description:

translate.google.hr/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http://www.mz-web.de/burgenlandkreis/brand-in-fluechtlingsheim-hohenmoelsen-mann-springt-aus-verzweiflung-aus-dem-fenster-24025662&edit-text=&act=url

????????????

Or is he trying to move the goalposts with lawyer speak, I see he's talking about "negligent arsons".

literally idpol

Some of them are alright.

My friends bf (female) is a super idpol tumblr user who shaved their head but she always seemed cool otherwise.

I'd say his crtisism of leftypol is accurate if a little bitchy.

There really isn't a good reason to use words like retard or authistic, those aren't fucking identities and people with mental handicaps are pretty harshly marginalized under capitalism. So it really comes of as bullying, and if you'll bully people that much weaker than you then you'll bully other marginalized identities like gay or black.

Also the word Idpol is fucking loaded. Like people chose to be black or gay and if they would just let go of their spooks they'd become class conscious even though that'd do nothing to change how their treated.

It's really no skin off my back to be sensitive to people's "identity politics" when agitating educating and organizing. Also all the negativity makes the ladies not please to squeeze and I KNOW some of you have problems getting laid.

Really seems like a lot of people are more interested in stroking their e penis then actually changing anything

This anti idpol didn't come from nowhere, it's known and noted that idpol has been used to destroy leftist movements from the time of the first international to today. You and Badmouse assume everyone involved in this board must be white and straight because we don't get offended at everything.

You're acting like their struggles are not from Capitalism. It is IDPOL to care for people because they are gay, black, etc… They deserve rights because they are people, and rights should extend to all people, not because they are minorities.

Oh brother you sound like a liberal. The old "All Live Matter" argument.

The thing is black people and other marginalized groups are not even the enjoying the rights and freedoms others are guaranteed even under capitalism.

Also porky preys on these groups weakening the ability of all the proles to unite. You all can go to hell, if all it takes for you to flip out on a prole is the mention of white supremacy then you weren't radical anyway cause it only gets harder from here.

What they don't get is that we are assholes and we are honest enough to admit it.
Unlike the other pretentious hacks on reddit, tumblr, youtube and whatnot. Circlejerking themselves of being good guys, censoring their speech and celebrating it on the level of world revolution, all the while doing some underhanded shit, like banning people for the flimsiest of reasons and even bullying someone into suicide.

Why are we discussing him? His content is pseudointellectual bullshit clearly catered to the plebbit crowed. It goes fucking nowhere. Even I can produce something of higher value while being drunk and playing TF2.

Does Obama not count then or

Yeah, lol. All the other boards mumble about 'spooks' and then demand you flagellate yourself for idpol. So egoist.

The people you are catering towards have more whites, more males and more upper middle-class fuckwits than we have. And so are you. You being gay doesn't magically eradicate the above.

You BTFOd me. Hey Zuckerburg got rich off of hard work and a good idea.

Proles are only poor cause they are lazy and unimaginative like you.

I might not like badmouse and his brand of shit, but holy shit is "idpol" Holla Forums's cultural marxism

The person you responded to is just retarded though.

This
Fuck anyone that tries to use identity to distract proles from class consciousness but goddamn it's so clear as day you are all just using the idpol meme to ignore the superstructure cause it contains a lot of things that benefit you like white supremacy.

Ironically I get the feel No leftypol is more white than pol

Holla Forums is actually pretty multi-ethnic, bizarrely enough. so this board is almost certainly whiter than them, but at the same time still more diverse in terms of ethnicity, nationality, sex and sexual and gender identity than pretty much any other anglophone leftist space on the web

Im not even white. What the fuck are you on. Youre just looking for any speck of shit you can find, and latch on to the one obvious trolling guy to justify your retarded views.

Hey thanks for making your case with a reasonable response instead of acting like a petulant infant, I appreciate it.

berkeleywellness.com/article/are-we-born-racist

Tbh, I actually get idpol to an extent. Life is always tough if you are an 'Other' in a predominantly white straight etc society. The research pointed out above may actually point out that we are groupish, somewhat given to something like racism, and of course this would impact the marginalized of society more meaningfully. Not all whites aren't marginalized ofc (a stupid pitfall of idpol) but we should keep this in mind.

My problem with idpol right now is that it's been so easily assimilated into liberal ruling class ideology, since it tends to make everything about affirmative action and divides the working class against itself. It's not like there's some conspiracy going on, ofc, but it seems logical for liberal porky to latch onto something to virtue-signal with, to avoid any actual change. A bit like Christian charity in Medieval times.

So having some special empathy for the outsiders in society is not bad, but we should be critical of an ideology which has now so easily descended into meaningless self-flagellation by whites, and special symbolic treatment over meaningful structural change.

Just my two cents.

Wow showed me

Oh, and I'm against watering down words like white supremacy. Normal white people are just not the KKK.

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Still not seeing anything but ad hominem attacks against my original argument

Holla Forums is pretty much the most diverse white supremacy group in the world.
Something Holla Forums and idpol have a hard time acknowledging.
But HWINDU and various other Holla Forums meetups have basically proven for it to be the case.
Ironically r/socialism is full of white males. Their own fucking poll says it so.
So we have a special case of self-hating whites vs self-hating minorities.

You have no original argument. You just claim "youre all white nazis because one guy said that saying "as a gay person" is idpol".

I am not bullying autists and retards for being autists and retards.
I am bullying normal people, who have a functioning brain, but refuse to use them properly as autists and retards, there is a fucking difference.

So if Obama is a black, then why does he and the rest of the priviIeged class of 'black people' get to enjoy their rights while all the other 'black people' don't

I agree with you, just wouldn't use the word 'white supremacy' as I pointed out above.

At no point did I call anyone a Nazi. You're just butt hurt cause I called out your And much of leftypol s crypto support for white supremacy by trying completely erase superstructure from discussion.

The reason why you hate SJWs isn't cause your so different is cause your so alike. SJWs try to ignore class because many of them are pettie bourgeois and leftypol tries to ignore superstructure cause many of you are white and male or would like to enjoy the material benefits of it.

No you just said I support white supremacy because it benefits me. Oh wait that would make me a nazi.

ok son, go suck a cock.

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i dunno yugoflag, sometimes your criticisms are legit and sometimes you sperg out really hard like this. i mean, you could say some FUCKING WHITE MALES get overly touchy because they feel (justly or not) they are being scapegoated for something they feel they had no choice in and no power to change, which is often true imo. but crypto-white supremacists because they prefer talking about universal class struggle and liberation instead of (usually burgerstan specific) particularist struggles? come on man. you know that's not true.

That's not what you people do though.
He's entirely right.
I just saw a thread where you people are arguing racism has been solved and we shouldn't focus on it.

You know that's not true.

Woah woah woah, what do you mean ' you people ?'

Thats exactly what we do, and left-wing neoliberals like yugoflag cant handle it.

newfags

No, it's what like a few people did a long time ago and now everyone's just circlejerking about how right those other, earlier, posters were for them bringing up someone else's critique of idpol.
You people though, you make no new criticisms, you just shitpost and often get it wrong.

nazbols aren't mentioned in that post or the post it was replying to. but if you're so assblasted by posts made under the only flag to rival anfem for shitposting that you're bringing them up out of nowhere, maybe it's time to take some time out from this board. maybe smoke a little grass, play with your pets, try to relax a little, you know?

nazbols weren't mentioned explicitly because them existing blows your shitty argument out of the water and that's why I reminded you that nazbols exist.

Its almost as if theres multiple people on leftypol and it isnt just a conspiratory hivemind hellbend on keeping da black man down.

We are still anti-idpol and we will probably continue to be so in the foreseeable future, as the mainstream "left" is still left-wing neoliberalism.

If that makes you uncomfortable you can always browse reddit instead, I think you would find that more to your taste.

Keep circlejerking about your consensus and how right and smart you are for agreeing with things other people have been saying without actually knowing why or having any other reason besides "wowie gee golly Holla Forums sure is smart I'll just never google anything they say and just believe it all immediately"

At last i truly see. Thanks mr intellectual sir.

what are you even talking about? what argument? that calling people white supremacists if they'd rather talk about class struggle than have another inevitably Amerocentric discussion on race is bit of a stretch?

You get that many of us post elsewhere right? That we listen to and talk about particularist struggles all the time, even irl if we're politically active? That a lot of us come here when we're tired of it, especially if we're tired of specifically American identity shit completely dominating discussion, so we can talk about something else or just blow off steam anonymously? And that it's annoying when it shits up basically the only place online where we can do that?

I'm serious dude. Get off the internet and unclench a little. I can feel your blood pressure rising from here.

You tell me there aren't legitimate white supremacists on here and I show you the Asserists and nazbols. You can sweep them under the rug and pretend you're just advocating for a dumbed down marxism but those people exist and are welcomed. You can't get around what that says.

I told you what? nobody was even talking to you unless you're yugoflag samefagging. now it's Asserists too? can we start talking about national syndicalists or the old 1930's technocrats, i mean, if we're just digging up long dead and irrelevant political currents that a handful of autists like to roleplay on the internet. that i'm advocating for what now? when? that i'm trying to get around what now? what are you talking about?

have you tried meditation?

This level of denial is transparent enough that I could almost feel confident letting your post argue for me. It's practically common knowledge at this point that the right used "ironic" fascism mindfuck 4/pol/, well the "ironic" nazbols/strasserists posting on Holla Forums a mostly nazi website, may just be that exact same thing. You can say it's just blowing off steam, I can say there's a historical precedent for that being bullshit or you being naive. Chan posters are often easily influenced by the imageboards they post on.

Sorry.

Instead of linking them you should have reported them. Unironic nazbol and asserists are banned.

The problem is post-irony though.

m8, you are tilting at windmills. you are arguing against points that literally nobody is making.

but if you really think that Holla Forums is important beyond motivating a handful of embarrasing nerds to parade around with kekistan flags, if you've really been drinking that kool-aid along with the self-important Holla Forumsyps themselves, if you really think that not only does this board have real importance beyond making a few sheltered Extremely Online burger liberals mad enough to post on twitter occasionally, but that a handful of RPing anons mean that white supremacy is taking root in the left… if you really believe that all this is so important that you feel compelled to come to this bootleg mongolian visual novel board and moralise instead of posting somewhere more to your tastes then shit dude, I really dunno what to tell you. except that maybe you need to do something about the plank of naivete in your own eye before worrying about the speck in anyone elses.

If this whole palaver, as entertaining as it's been, isn't just elaborate bait (and if so, grats, 8/8 m8), then I'll say it again. Get off the internet, go outside and get some perspective. If you like politics, go join a reading group. Go to some party's public meeting and talk to people irl. Hell, hook up with your local antifa faggots and kick some trash cans. Anything other than whatever it is you're doing right now that is making you take this shit so seriously.

Source, faggot.

Images are easy as fuck to fake, give the source or GTFO.

I'm arguing against this point right here.

I'm going to assume the rest of your post is more nonsense or untruths? Yes, unironic white supremacists exist and use similar rhetoric to other posters to fit in.
The fact you seem insistent on denying this speaks volumes.

Rights are a spook.

I'm a 'post ironic nazbol' and technically a 'queer latinx POC', though I wouldn't refer to myself on those terms . I cast my first vote for Donald Trump in the 2016 presidential elections(for lulz and accelerationism, however many of my reactionary immigrant relatives supported him unironically). I've never felt at home in the modern world. Basically, I think everyone is stupid and there's nothing, nothing at all worth saving about late capitalist american civilisation.This world makes me sick, I just want to see it all burn ( insert Jared Leto as the Joker Damaged image macro). I am the negation of all existing conditions…. tbh fully aware of how autistic and edgy I must sound to people who are still invested in the decrepit spectacle of liberal civilisation, but whatevs. The American Empire Must be Destroyed.

The problem is you deciding to whine like a bitch instead of reporting those posters.

I thought someone might say that. No, rights are laws made by humans, and enforced by the police. They 100% exist, even though they are man made.

Wow. That was cringy. If you are being retarded ironically, you are still being retarded! It's not cringy because of burgerland, it's cringy for saying everyone is stupid (among other things). If everyone is stupid, you are stupid as well, and you should take your own advice and realize how dumb you're being.

Read: 'Rights' and laws are made by the bourgeoisie and enforced by the enforcers of bourgeois class interests. The 'state of exception' is not the exception but the rule.

But last time I checked Muke liked BadMouse. Has this changed, or do you legitimately think all Lenin hats are one person?

We used to be fags. Now we're all cucks.

He came here multiple times afaik and he always got shit for his stuff. Can't say I blame the people who insulted him, his stuff is milquetoast at the very best.

Yes this political strategy that has been concocted decades ago and now is one of the dominating paradigms of American life is the same thing as a term hijacked by rightwing propagandists, completely subverted into an ill-explained conspiracy theory that presumes that Marxists are in control of just about every institution in the West, and is now spouted by every rightwing useful idiot.

I know you mean that idpol is inappropriately used here sometimes, and you're correct, but your comparison is absolutely moronic.

wtf are you on? How many people do you think were radicalized because of police brutality and the reactions like based Ferguson? You must seriously underestimate racism, especially in the USA. What about the private prison system? There is a real struggle there that is tightly linked to class.

This is one of the reasons why I don't come here any more. He's not saying socialist movements should waste their resources fighting spooks, he's saying some fucking solidarity, inclusiveness and understanding would be nice. For example, environmental concerns aren't idpol but they're not leftism as traditionally understood.

it writes itself

IRL anarchists can be pretty shitty but it varies wildly. Remember anarchists get together in "affinity groups" ie cliques that often have little in common.

masterfully said

I feel for you comrade. Tbh when I see all-white idpol groups flagellate themselves, I can't help but get the idea is more about themselves than the people they're supposed to help. The virtue-signalling and flagellating and social pressure going on always seemed a bit Christian to me.

Nothing is ironic kid. Asser will rise up and kill all the kikes while we fuck each other in our gay fag barracks

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It's crypto white supremacy because it's existence is de facto denied by leftypol whenever they scream idpol when ever racism or sexism is brought up.

That new horror movie from Key and Peele touch on this very thing. Liberals like to pat themselves on the back for not being racists like pol while simultaneously being very latently racist themselves.

Just because you don't burn crosses doesn't mean you don't support white supremacy. White supremacy and, patchriarcy are such huge parts of the superstructure there's no way your serious about class struggle if your deconstruction doesn't include them.

Looking the other way with regards to patchriarcy and white supremacy isn't an option. Trump got elected purely on the implied promise of resurrecting white supremacy, his policies and history all indicated he was every bit the neo liberal Hilary was as is proving so now.

I'm not trying to make white guys feel bad but on the other hand if all it takes for you to not collaborate with PoCs is the fact they bring up white supremacy you probably weren't ready for the struggle anyway cause it only gets harder from here.

Ignoring white supremacy or downplaying its existence doesn't make you a Nazi, just an opportunist. But don't cry when demsuccs can rally votes based on bullshit because they can recognize the most rudimentary of political realities while leftists remain about as popular as herpes.

Holy shit this fucking turd just called people dregs and then said other peoples' stereotyping is puerile. I bet he can't even hammer a nail straight. Elitist autistic retarded faggot.

I personally thins BadMouse's videos are cringey as fuck. Honestly can't stand the guy.

Such as? My country today is a far cry from when it could actually be considered a white supremacist state. 'disadvantaged races' are entitled to higher levels of aid than anyone else (welfare that, speaking from a social democratic perspective, should be for anyone in such a wealth bracket), and are treated equally under the law. I fail to see how this is anything other than the opposite of supremacism. Hell, if you espouse any genuinely racist or sexist views, you'll be kicked out of basically anything that isn't a biker pub or an actual white supremacist gathering. Overtly racist parties are openly mocked, too. It's not a good thing for business or politics to be caught hating niggers or women.

I'm sorry, are you being serious or taking the piss? Trump not only lost by several million votes, he also was up against a woman who supported the TPP and generally showed herself to be untrustworthy, backstabbing polished turd. What you just said is "we got the majority vote through posting memes in a small torture chamber!" level of odd. Could you please elaborate?

I think he's implying minorities are stupid and can't see past the idpol issues. Pretty discriminatory if you ask me.