Ive been learning about Marxism-Leninsm lately and I dont know why so many people are opposed to it...

wut

Which is still farther than basically any other ideology. Soviet union existed for decades, also ML took over 40% of the world. What would you compare it to, catalonia? like 3 years in a civil war? nothing else even comes close which is why so many followed it to begin with

"State And Revolution" is a trap and not at all reflective of what they actually believe! If you want to know what really forms the basis of it, read "What Is To Be Done?" and the criticisms of it. Tankies are always, always disingenuous, without fail! I have never seen them redeem themselves and still remain tankies! Never!
t. Lenin
They have made a fetish of democratic principles. They have placed the workers right to elect representatives above the party. As if the party were not entitled to assert its dictatorship even if that dictatorship temporarily clashed with the passing moods of the workers’ democracy!”
t. Trotsky (the same as Stalin in practice)
They're trying to rope you in! Don't fall for it!

Dialectical materialism isn't even a thing. Lenin and Stalin pulled it out of their ass. You don't know what dialectics are. Welcome to the real world.
edensauvage.wordpress.com/2016/12/09/marxs-dialectical-method/

That's not at all how this works. Saying that is the height of idealism - it was the result of historical dynamics and chance. If it weren't for Makhno attacking Denikin's supply lines, Denikin would have marched into Moscow and slaughtered the Bolsheviks, probably for the best. That's just one example. The Reds won in spite of their ideology, not because of it.

Idealism. The state, acting as representative of capital, expands itself as it wishes and circumvents those controls anyways. If you weren't behind a proxy and multiple other safeguards or even something like Tor enveloped in a VPN on Tails OS, would you really be willing to, as an American, post what you do on this board? Do you know what the American state did to the Black Panthers for actually using their First and Second Amendment rights? At the least, property acts as a revolutionary force on its own which counteracts and interacts with the power of the state to limits its worst excesses eventually.

please, don't be paranoid. im burger and i dont use any of that shit, then again im not a tankie. Anyway the nsa has already end to end correlated your data so that vpn shit won't help.

Dictatorship of the party is good. The policies the parties implemented were…not the best, but I think it's silly to assume councils would have been any better.

it's almost like the ideology had institutional backing from one of the world's most powerful countries

You are the reason nobody takes leftism seriously.

elaborate, binch

Idk man, Stalin bases his DiaMat on Marx and Engels:

marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1938/09.htm

And Lenin:

marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1908/mec/

If you think that DiaMat is an illegitimate expansion of Marx' dialectics, you need explain why. Saying that something "doesn't exist" because somebody expanded on the works of Marx (who isn't a god) is not an argument - and posting a link to some blog with a literal armchair which calls itself "Nihilist Marxism" isn't very convincing either.

Nice meme - explain why or fuck off

I didn't really care much for Leninism but isn't it the case that Leninism is defined by Lenins actions and not his earlier writings in which case an actual party dictatorship is one of Leninism's key components? I mean if that weren't the case there'd be no real reason to be a Leninist in the first place, right? His writings e.g. State and revolution mostly deal with simply defending Marxism. He doesn't really add anything new through his earlier writings.

Hat people pls explain

It was the same system implemented everywhere, closely monitored by Moscow, you dumb shit. There's plenty in Lenin's work that is worthy of preservation.

That wasn't true from 1918 onward. Managers and party officials could be appointed by the state, there was a ban on factions and there was no means by which you could express a dissenting point of view.

Because when I read about forced adoptions in East Germany or Destruction Battalions I realize the ideology that justifies this is shitty.

´Socialism is nothing but state capitalist monopoly made to benefit the whole people.´ (V.I. Lenin, Collected Works, London, Vol.XXI, Book 1, pp.210-211.)

Which of course is nonsense from a communist perspective. We turn to Engels for the rebuttal.

"The modern state, no matter what its form, is essentially a capitalist machine — the state of the capitalists, the ideal personification of the total national capital. The more it proceeds to the taking over of productive forces, the more does it actually become the national capitalist, the more citizens does it exploit. The workers remain wage-workers — proletarians. The capitalist relation is not done away with."

-F. Engels. Socialism: Utopian and Scientific.

Dictatorship of the proletariat isn't a ML concept.

Also, of course ML theory will legitimize ML states, just like Christianity legitimized feudal states. So just following the official doctrine of saying "it's going to be democratic, I swear" isn't helpful or convincing.

ML has a enormous historical burden, and a bad history of crushing popular uprisings against the "workers state". But who cares, FBI something something, right?

All in all, I don't consider ML timely, sonce it has failed to produce any authentic revolution in the western world, and most of the "successful" revolutions had to tie in some anti-war, anti-imperalism or national liberation character to make in attractive to most people. Then of course the parties accumulate more and more non-communists over time, black markets rise, brain drain takes place and liberals use this as a argument against all attempts to achieve Communism. NOTHING has ever given a worse name and has caused more harm to the Communist movement than marxist leninists. Even util today, SJW use MLM tactics to silence their opposition or any class-oriented politcs, while MLs march the streets with Stalin banners, wanting to spread the message of our lord and savior Stalin. Just think about it, 99% of anticommunist ideas are anti ML. It's just harmful and useless baggage, and should be done away with as a movement. Sure, we can learn from it and inherit the good parts. But to claim "let's just do exactly the same.thig again, I'm sure 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧revisionism🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧 won't happen this time in our socialism in one country with big borders and secret policie" is just idiotic IMO.

Council communism and communization were a mistake.

i think you should read some of those books you quote out of context

This video debunks some of the commons critics about Marxist-Leninism in a correct way:
youtu.be/gS692MzFA7k

implying WITBD contradicts S&R at all when they deal with different subjects

Well he sure gathers a well educated audience around him…

that's kinda low hanging, youtube comments section of every video with more than 1000 views is a cancerous cesspit.