Class is idpol?

theweek.com/articles/663322/everyone-telling-democrats-stop-playing-identity-politics-clueless

youtube.com/watch?v=PWHaHgSWU0w

spiritofcontradiction.eu/rowan-duffy/2014/03/19/working-class-hero

What do you guys think of the argument put forth by IDPOL liberals that class is a form of identity, therefore use class reductionist brocialists are also doing idpol? did we just get btfo? (1st link)

Class isn't inherently an identity but it can become one.
I haven't clicked the link but I assume the American liberals are just trying to flail around and defend themselves.
I assume Holla Forums will do the same because they let class spook them (even though it is important.)

I can change which class I am, but I can't change my race or gender.
The reason why I can't change race and gender is because nature pretty muh set this in stone.
The reason why I can't change class is because society and certain people benefit from me staying in that class.

For now at least.

It's the culmination of liberal IdPol derailing leftism. To advance that argument at all is to completely misunderstand the point of leftism and the point of class.
Remember that these are the same people who think that "class" means "how much money you make".

doesn't it to a certain extent? once you make a certain amount you have enough to live off investment in means of production

Liberals make the faulty assumption of believing that racism and what not ISN'T closely connected to economic system.

Racism won't disappear just because black or hispanic people in the US get control over some Forbes 500 company. Maybe it'll ease it on blacks and hispanics (doubtful) but there's always a new scapegoat around the corner.

It's bullshit. To which class you belong is determined by your relationship to the means of production. If you own the means of production or profit-generating capital you're bourgeoisie, if you get paid a wage/salary to work you're the proletariat.

Class isn't something that you choose, it's determined for you.

Are you implying that people choose their race, sexuality, sex, nation, and whatever else?

of course not

Then not being able to choose your class is an entirely irrelevant point when comparing it to identity ain't it.

fuck me sideways, these people are braindead

I think his point is that for liberals where you can be transracial this or transgender that the one thing you can never be is transbourgeoi or transproles

Imo, identity politics is when groups within society bicker and fight for more power within the framework of capitalism. Class struggle (unless revolutionary) can also fit this description. The difference is that class struggle is the only conflict within society that, when brought to the brink of revolution, has the potential to completely change everything. Just compare the industrial- and French revolution to recent victories of gay rights activists. The bourgeoise taking power completely overhauled society while gay right victories matter to no-one but HBTQ people themselves.

tl:dr it doesn't matter if class struggle is idpol as it is the only conflict within society that has revolutionary potential

Imagine how absurd it would be for a bourg to "identify" as a prole, it is a litetal objective fact that you are not a prole if you are a bourg, so it is totally impossible for class to be an identity, it is a reality.

Gender, sexual orientation, religion, nationality are all identities, they do not manifest in any material fashion. Sex, class, skin colour (NOT race, which is an arbitrary classification totally absent of any measurable standards), anything that is totally material in definition is not an identity, they are realities.

Yeah I've seen this type of shit pushed on r/soc as well (almost always by anarkiddies though.)

Not saying this isn't true, but this is not the reason idpol is shit

Your wealth can affect your ability to enter a certain class, but it is not what defines it.

At the point that people can freely transition from male to female and back, the distinction will be meaningless, like hair colour.

But those things don't correspond to your material position.

Idpol suggests that the universal struggle is just the sum of all particular struggles. These struggles may very ell exist, but idpolers are well known to use imaginary ones as well. This only obfuscates the universal struggle. The marxist approach is that there is one struggle that is the universal one, namely the struggle between labour and capital. This universal struggle shapes the productive process, which in turn shapes our society that all other struggles has its outspring from.
If one puts class at equal with all other struggles as just another particular struggle, one makes a massive missunderstanding of our society, and thus all struggles in general.

They choose their identity wrt those things. Given that all of those but sex are spooky af it couldn't be any other way.

idpol libs disagree

believing you can be transgender is not ultimately a belief that you can change your gender. Under that paradigm you actually WERE the other gender all along and were merely wrongly identified

I against idpol not because I'm against identity per se, I'm against idpol because it is a mystification of actual problems
idpol is basically a watered down fascism with white cis males taking the place of Jews

So you can be "trans-proletariat petit-bourgie that identifies as lumpen"?

race and gender are spooks