Neo-nazi """"theory""""

Holy cow. And /polk/ is supposed to be intellectual elite of Holla Forums?

Almost makes me want to recommend them stuff

Isn't Starship Troopers meant to be an ironic portrait of fascism? or am I thinking of a different book?

I'll be interested in some fascist theory

Giovanni Gentile is probably the most famous fascist philosopher.

Also this is a good start
web.archive.org/web/20060803051322/http://www2.coloradocollege.edu/Dept/PS/Finley/PS425/reading/Sternhell.html

Protocols of the Elders of Zion

Oh well

The overlap between them is so fucking huge though they can't be serious.

He's either seriously inconsistent in his choices or up for a nasty surprise when he finds out.

The 1959 book is 100% serious and arguably the birthplace of militaristic American sci-fi. The film however — which was directed by Paul Verhoeven (of RoboCop fame) — was meant to be a satire of military worship using the book's material as a pretext.

You're everything that's wrong with this board

Death solves all problems. You kill a fascist and there is no problem.

I still chuckle when i remember the "in nazi germany the means of production belonged to the volk" guy we had around here last week

Someone's mad. What buzzwords did you find in my post, pray tell?

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The book was an examination of a fascist future where we (humanity) apparently "unite" to fight an external threat (which we mostly instigated & partly made up in the first place). I tend to think that the book was claiming "hey fascism could maybe unite us but it always needs an external threat to function". Heinlein wrote all sorts of books examining possible future societies, he didn't really "endorse" any single one.

LOL Morons. Fascism is obviously socialism.
How could they round up the jews without a powerful state brought about by collectivis?

if they dont understand something its a buzzword

I mean collectivism.

off ur self

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His post makes no sense whatsoever but a totalitarian dictatorship is by definition collectivist.

It gets better and better

see pic

Don't try reading books, you might have a stroke.

Choose one, you fucking commie faggot

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That is actually kind of interesting
Is it worth reading if I have never touched any sci fi?

is memeflag you moron

Great English, Pedro. The only thing Holla Forums is wrong about, is that they think "muh Hitler paradise" would last. All power vacuums are eventually sealed.

Read Evola if you want to learn about Traditionalism and Hyperborean mythos
juliusevola.files.wordpress.com/2016/01/17-evola-revoltagainstthemodernworld.pdf

lol

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Do you honestly expect someone with such a simplistic view on the world as "da joos and da mudslims did it" to have any significant theory ?

Fascists have some nice literature from time to time (Mishima, Evola), but there is no such thing as fascist theory

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The free-market is a structure, even if you disagree. Even in your socialist paradise, plenty of black-market (free-market) products circulated. This happened in Russia for sure, and most likely other places as well. No matter what socialists policies are put in place, the free-market will eventually come through. The free-market operates just the same as Hitlerism, or any other sort of economic structure. All that enforces, or guarantees your right, is "might." The only way to guarantee full "might" is with a free society, and a free-market.

I thought this was a board of intellectuals? That's a logical fallacy.

Really maneuvers your mangos

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Hi Reddit

Thanks for outing yourself as a fascist. Unregulated markets will always fail just like Soviet Communism did, just a bit slower. The free market is chaos and if there are no restrictions to the game then it descends into monopolistic competition

everything you write is shitposting mate

Are you implying Nazis have any sort of structural criticism of society instead of just scapegoating the Jews? aside from Schmidt there is no worthwhile fascist theory that goes deep into class analysis, their whole ideology is about feels

All you can have is collusion, there can be no "monopoly competition." The only flaw in AnCap is natural monopolies, which do present and clear challenge to our way of thinking.

What Holla Forums is going through is what Durkheim called "Anomie", or a lack of societal order and clear instructions. "The Jews" are simply a farce, to blame on a crumbling infrastructure. The criticisms that Holla Forums makes are valid (blacks have objectively low Autism Levels, mass importation of refugees is bad, feminism is bad). Unfortunately, they can't articulate the point without "muh kikes", which eats their credibility.

pic related

Isn't Evola a different flavor of rightism?

I don't know anything about /polk/ but there is some fascist 'theory'. It would be people like Oswald Spengler, the couple intellectuals around Mussolini (forgot names, maybe Panunzio), Junger, Francis Parker Yockey, and Feder. Most of it is just idealistic bullshit though.

Yeah um pretty hard to break up those monopolies without a state isn't it?

It's debatable whether Mishima could even be called a Fascist tbh. He never took part in any actual politics besides his elaborately-staged suicide and the homoerotic national-militaristic LARPing that preceded. He could even be called a cosmopolitan to a certain extent — he lived in a neo-Classical villa, wrote modernist literature, his favorite writer was German novelist Thomas Mann and the only movie he directed was basically a French New Wave film. Whenever interviewed by a French journalist he would answer in French and he loved the English-language versions of his novels. In some interviews he sounded more like some sort of tormented individualist than a nationalist.

As for Evola he most definitely was not a Fascist though a lot of Fascists seem to like him. Fascism implies nationalism and populism, both of which Evola hated with a passion since he defended a return to the aristocratic castes and religious orders of yore — if anything, he was an arch-reactionary.

Wow leftists really are autistic faggots. Not Socialism is a form of fascism yes, but the two words also aren't interchangeable. A 1984esque fascist state is a great deal different from a Not Socialist one. Nazi's have no problem intervening in the market if it will create a net benefit for the people. An example of this would be offering government funded jobs to work on infrastructure offered instead of just handing money out like a fucking four year-old expecting that to get anyone out of poverty. On a different note, how many of you are retarded enough to actually be unironic communists? I mean if you're all teenagers it would make sense. I thought it would be cool when I was 12.

Regular monopolies will always dissolve through greed. Someone will want to make more, so they'll lower the price. That's simple game theory/statistics.

Here's what Mises says about natural monopolies:
>mises.org/library/myth-natural-monopoly

Why not let the free-market dictate? What stops "jonh Q mann" from creating laws to benefit himself?

That's not what anomie means, stop shitposting about sociology when you don't understand the terms
Assuming those statements are true, how do they form a framework for theory? you can't just say "white countries are doing good while africa is doing bad, that must mean it's because of I Q", this is a complete lack of nuance, borderline 5 years old tier reasoning

Which is still organized special interest that can still undermine the little man.

Agreed if only Holla Forums can articulate a point like pic related

Yes and frankly he is my favorite rightist. He look into a lot of traditional societies like the Hindus, Aztecs, Greeks etc. and saw how those societies had stirct and specific castes. He did have a lot of conspiracy tier beliefs with Atlantis and Aryan shit but overall his work is pretty fascinating. Most rightwingers whether they know it or not get a lot of ideas from Evola, though I think the modern right is Evolan only by principle

Evola would shit on most contemporary "right-wingers"

Some kind of constitution and government transparency hopefully would stop him hopefully. Trying to expect no corruption from government is naive though I agree. I myself would want as minimal impact on the market as possible, but I also have no fucking problem with tariffs among other things if it will help keep predatory multinationals out. Greg Johnson is a bit of a faggot but I think you should watch this. youtube.com/watch?v=lvUDVyySzQo

That's exactly what it means. Anomie is defines as "a condition in which society provides little moral guidance to individuals." The interpretation of morals can be loose, or strict.

The framework if the theory is that society, high tech society, needs people to function and work. Societies, even a socialistic one, needs everyone to pitch in. I believe even Marx said people who didn't work would be disparaged. Africans don't work, because they are too stupid even to farm. What use do they have in anything but protestors to drum up support for some social justice bill? Holla Forums's theory/framework is simply one of "meritocracy", where the best person does the best job. They see themselves, whites, as the best. I agree with meritocracy, but do not hate Jews, Chinese people, etc. Objectively, black children cannot pass a mirror test. Objectively, the darker you are, the less you are able to function in society. Would you want to live next to violent, aggressive people?

wtf is this ideology

Yes, definitely read it if you have time.
The movie is silly & fun to watch, but the book is actually decent sci-fi, comparable to the first Dune. I'd recommend "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress" too.

Regardless of what Holla Forums tells you about us, we are both very similar. I don't disagree with your ideas, I just don't like the way society ultimately ends. I see a lot of ways that somethign bad could happen (too much socialism, all redheads need to die, etc.). We agree more than we disagree.

With that out of the way, the only thing Hitler did wrong was think he could try to combine all systems together, a mi of communism and capitalism, and come out on top. I personally believe the free-market will always reign king. The other problem is that, who would lead after Hitler? Hitler was 1/1000000000.

It's another ""an"cap" shows their true colors episode.

That's what I was trying to say basically. Evola is much more thoughtful thank muh niggers and Jews poltards. He took a strong stance against nationalism and felt that it will inevitably lead to collectivization. He even hated racism for the fact that a person's skin is just material but to find someone inferior you had to look at their raison d'être

I think you should probably meet more black people user

Anomie implies being completely detached from societal norms, which includes politics, unless you are implying that Holla Forums is an apolitical board, then you don't understand the word

"Africans don't work, because they are too stupid even to farm" [citation needed]
and no, you don't get smarter because you're white, Holla Forums is probably the living proof of it, assuming they are white as they claim to be.

user, you don't understand what the word theory means under leftist political discourse.
and how is Holla Forums a meritocracy, they are essentially trying to establish a welfare state for someone just for being "white", something he did not accomplish at all, you're not responsible for your genes, nor are you responsible for your ancestors achievements, so what part of this is meritocracy

nice crop - you missed the WHITE slavedrivers just out of frame!

Sweet, I will look up into both

Oh I know we don't disagree much. A year or two ago I would be using the same flag as yourself. Personally I would want a limited traditionalist state ruling over a separate free market of states which have their government decided democratically to a larger degree. Sort of like how the United States was supposed to turn out, but with less ways for the public to do dumb shit like let women vote. The limited federal government would choose candidates to promote from the local governments and have the people choose between them to fill positions. But there isn't exactly a side for that so I'll line up with the closest thing.

If they could farm on their own they wouldn't be begging for white farmers to return.

>irinnews.org/report/80169/ethiopia-desperate-farmers-eat-seeds-planting

I think you should probably meet more black people user. No not the three at your mostly white high school. Go live in an all black neighborhood.

Again, that's ignoring objective intelligence quotient facts and statistics. Nobody hates blacks because of their skin. Indians are dark, yet they get along just fine. It's the fact that blacks are overly agressive, tribalistic, and unintelligent.

what

Here's my point: blacks say they are hated, and incarcerated, because of their skin colour. Indians have the same skin colour, and 1/10 the incarceration rate of blacks. The argument is a non-sequitar.

I think preserving the white race is a pretty mainstream position for Nazis

How convenient of you looking for countries with such a dysfunctional education system

Really fires up the neurons

in what country though

This old excuse again. They were taught by whites to farm, and still couldn't do it. How can you ignore the mirror test, in which blacks cannot recogize themselves in a mirror when very young. Whites, Asians, etc. can.

Do you, personally, know any educated blacks?

The U.S.

Exactly you dumb-fuck. You know the talented 1/10th of black people and you suddenly just understand their struggle like so much omg. Would you rather have your car break down in a poor white neighborhood or a poor black neighborhood? Which one do YOU think would keep you the most safe?

Go live in a trailer park

>cincinnatiisadump.wordpress.com/2013/07/29/crime-is-caused-by-poverty-enter-white-appalacha/

I would rather not have my car break at all, thank you very much.

What makes you think I haven't at some point? Fucking filthy urbanite.

Exactly. The only way you people can think the way you do is by shoving your fingers in your ears.

IQ comes about because of environmental conditions. The socioeconomic disparity between blacks and whites allows for this to happen which is
Which comes about because of material conditions like poverty
“On the alleged genetic inferiority of Blacks on Autism Level tests, he lays out the argument and evidence for such a belief, and then contests each point. He interprets the direct evidence—when Blacks are raised in settings that are less disadvantageous—as suggesting that environmental factors explain genetic differences. And yet, he argues that the environmental explanation gained force after the discovery that Autism Level scores were rising over time. Inter-generational Autism Level differences among Whites and across nations were larger than the Black-White Autism Level Gap and could not be accounted for by genetic factors, which, if anything, should have reduced Autism Level, according to scholars he references. He posits that the Black-White Autism Level score gap can be entirely explained by environmental factors if "the average environment for Blacks in 1995 matches the quality of the average environment for Whites in 1945” (Flynn, American Psychologist).

Wow using this one even when this cincinnatiisadump.wordpress.com/2013/07/29/crime-is-caused-by-poverty-enter-white-appalacha/ has been posted in this very thread. Nice….

So have you? Btw the median income in my town is below $30k and there are tons of whites strung out on meth and opiates committing crimes.

It's their fault. Even if we set aside genetics for a minute, why do they live in piss-poor condictions? They're lazy as a people, and they don't want to work for anything. The Chinese and Irish were both disparaged in the U.S at first, yet they don't fall back on that 150 years later. When blacks try to work and get out of the "ghetto", then we can start talkign about them being more than just votes.

Except education is an important factor of intelligence growth, I don't think an uneducated white person is going to be any better no matter how much their I Q is.

Yes I do personally know some black people, my Ph.D thesis partner was a black girl, she pretty much saved my ass

So they do exist after all
and your question is quite nonsensical since both groups are prone to commit crime, assuming they suffer from the same levels of poverty, I don't know how bad whites have it in the states since I'm a britfag, but I certainly would not wanna leave my car in a Poland tier poor neighborhood

gotta pull up them bootstraps

Wow literal TONS? That's like at least 20 people damn. Don't try to pretend the rates of drug abuse and crime are even remotely close after adjusting for population size.

That's assuming the Monopoly pricing is high enough that barriers to entry don't discourage competitors emerging. You take that as a guarantee, but Monopoly pricing can be suboptimal compared to state enforced competition without being high enough that say, another capitalist would be willing to go in the red for ten years to build up the fixed capital to be able to compete
Say standard oil is a Monopoly, they charge high prices but it would still take a massive investment and large amount of time to build a factory for everything necessary to compete (say they have a Monopoly over an entire supply chain).
And half way in to you building the infrastructure necessary to compete they decide to drop prices for a few months and drive you out
Your thinking is based on imagined axioms and not the real world

Rural areas where everyone has a gun, barely own cars, and there's only a tenth of the cops per person has less caught criminals and crime
What a shock

THERE IT IS WEW
cincinnatiisadump.wordpress.com/2013/07/29/crime-is-caused-by-poverty-enter-white-appalacha/
I never said there are no smart black people. There are some smarter than myself. But compare that to the number of people of other races smarter than myself and it becomes close to statistically insignificant.

We don't live in a bubble. A very rich man (Trump, Gates, Zuckerberg) could throw his weight behind "Microbook Oil", and overnight make a load of money off people, forcing competition between "Microbook oil" and Standard Oil.

You're correct that time is a concern, but when Standard sense an mpending threat, it will cave.

So you're saying there aren't guns flooding poor black communities? You're saying there are lots of cars there? That the cops spend a lot of time there? That there isn't a higher rate of crime there?

Why do blacks have no written language. The Chinese were simple farmers, yet they did exceptionally well (even better than whites). Your excuses just don't hold water.

What about Russians who were peasents under feaudalism for hundreds of years? Any book found o nthem was burned. Nobody will question the countless things russians have added to science and mathematics, not to mention philosophy.

Based on one study of less than 100 people, or old studies that were intentionally biased, or studies of people who are malnourished and have cultural barriers and a lack of education/mental stimulation during developement​? Because I've seen every study you guys link and it's always one of those three
You know if you don't give a baby any simulation they become basically braindead?
That's nearly every baby in subsaharan Africa

Yeah dude it's just that they have lighter skin.

>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serfdom_in_Russia

it's to be expected when comparing uneducated blacks from Africa to educated Europeans, you do realize centuries of colonization followed by capitalist exploitation doesn't just fade away overnight, right?

youtube.com/watch?v=YWR6mCInzjM

you reek of american logic. fucking cultureless cunt.

Have you ever wondered why "inner cities" need to be "heavily policed?" A police presence does not make blacks act like savages.

Again, nobody is arguing skin colour. We are arguing genetics. Blacks are inferior mentally, but not phyiscally.

In a dictatorial regime? Good luck with that.
Even if you did get some transparency, you wouldn't be able to do anything with it, because of the high levels of state repression. You would just remain cucked.

Ancaps are all secretly fascists conspiracy theory confirmed.

What?

Yeah I got news for you big guy. Race doesn't mean skin color.

Sure seems like its fading away for India LMAO.

Make up your mind

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There is a lot of drugs and domestic abuse in Appalachia they just like out in the country where nobody can report shit. Plus they are all on welfare so you ANCAPs probably would hate them too
t. my mom's side of the family lives in West Virginia

Blacks have been through more shit then Irish and Asians though (in the US) but yeah African countries are more shit than any other country I'll give you that plus I live in a majority black city where crime is atrocious but I also realize that the material conditions of poverty pretty much allow for rampant crime to take place coupled with the lack of education turns most blacks into thugs

Think of it like this: if they never evolved to deter conquest with technology, to hell with them. They lost in the pool of natural selection, and they deserved to be colonized. Nobody has a "right" to not be conqured. Are you implying that?

India already had an established culture before being colonized, it's to be expected for it to bounce back, as did most north African countries, Africa however was geographically cut off from civilization, couldn't trade or communicate with the outside, so when they were colonized they had no cultural identity

They aren't extinct tho.

Why are they poor? Get a job, attend university, leave the "ghetto." Like Ben Carson said, "poverty is a state of mind."

They "went through shit" because they couldn't adapt to changes around them.

Ancaps are indeed extremely moral men.

I'm only explaining to you that colonization has long term effects on the cultural and socioeconomic state in the continent, I never made a moral argument

Why do you guys think poverty creates crime? When has that ever been the case? The two main factors that cause poverty are crime and having kids you can't afford. Guess who likes doing those two a lot. No one is forcing you to steal just because you're poor, but if you have a felony on your record good luck not being poor.

They need more police because they are more densely populated dummy

imagine being this deep in the trashcan

At the end of the day, all that matters is if you can protect yourself, and your society. I don't endore colonialization, but it can't be helped. If I don't own a gun and someone breaks into my flat, I deserve to die.

Lol. Fucking source me pls.

They have no culture to being with. They never progressed out of rudimentary farming/hunter n' gather. There was nothing to destroy.

Wow sure showed me.

This post is the dumbest thing I've read all day.

Because not being able to obtain enough money legaly makes you consider making money illegaly.

All of human history.

Right, because unemployment and financial crises don't cause poverty.

Morality, like equality, is a false God. You have to expect that you might be conquered, and prepare for it. It's not right, but it happens. If you can't fight back, fuck you. What don't you understand about this?

Okay. I'm stealing your car tomorrow lel

Like when Tyrone comes over to fuck your wife because you couldn't satisfy her.

exactly, central africa was geographically excluded from interacting with other civilizations in order for it to developed a culture, hence why most cultures stem from places like Ghana (not the current one, the one that was close to North africa), and the eastern border countries.
European and Islamic cultures had the opportunity to prosper from their clashes and trades, same for china and india, which is why Africa couldn't fall back to that sense of identity after colonialism

You expect me to reply seriously to someone suggesting there is no correlation between poverty and crime ? why are you even discussing politics

That's a funny thing to hear from someone building their entire ideology upon moral spooks to preserve his private property "rights"

The generational wealth gap is much larger for blacks than it is for whites. White Americans have been able to accumulate wealth for much longer than most black Americans were able to. A slew of socioeconomic problems plague a great percentage of African Americans. Rather than having a system which gives you say 3 strikes and reformative education through something like a military program to teach discipline and morals if you come from an underprivileged background, you send petty criminals to prison/jail with murderers, rapists and drug dealers. All because they couldn’t afford a lawyer or pay bond/bail. These convicts have children and their children go through the same process, essentially becoming indentured slaves to the state. As the white middle class shrinks it will be more and more white kids ending up in prison for theft and other victimless crimes. See the rising heroin epidemic that plagues rural white communities. Somehow this is okay to the oblivious morons that make up a good number of whites, rather than sensing the impending danger of a literal slave state and totalitarian dictatorship which imprisons for profit since all jobs are automated, they cheer as a minority group of the civilian population is persecuted by legal and constitutional overreach because that minority is often perceived as being loud and annoying to be around. This is due to lack of quality education and a civilizing process that allows blacks to integrate into white society. Stealing is normalized for poor people when they grow up because it's a constant equalizing force around them. Others from their demographic steal from them and it perpetuates a vicious eye for an eye cycle, where you would be dumb not to steal since everything you have is constantly being taken from you. There is generational poverty and situational poverty. Generational poverty is the nigger mindset, the "world is oppressing me, fuck everyone, fuck you looking at, give me yo shit boy" attitude which comes from a deep seated insecurity about one's own abilities having never been given a chance (outside of an athletic opportunity) to rise scholastically or reach an age where pursuing a trade is viable. Situational poverty is when an otherwise normal person experiences financial hardship. There will always be exceptionally gifted individuals which can rise above it, but this is not the norm. Study serfdom and European slavery of other Europeans, there was a systemic structure in place to keep people dumb and therefore unable to compete with the various elite clergy and mercantiles which sat at the beck and call of royalty which benefited the most from the system

Things happen in nature. A mother deer looks on in horror as her fawn is chomped to death by a gator. It's not nice, but it's natural. Conquest is natural, so defense should be natural. Stating a fact is not "defending" anything.

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An inherent understanding of property rights and morality, along with self-sacrifice, hard-wired into our genetic code is not a "spook." Property rights, defending what is yours, is observed even in children. Are you saying I "learned" to defend my propery. Al lthe government does is put to paper, what exists inside (The NAP).

Now, you say:

Before, you said:

Sorry, but that sounds to me like you are defending something.

What is your take on colonialism then?

The Irish almsot died of a massive famine, and came to the U.S. piss-poor. If they can do it, why can't blacks?

USA citizens are as retarded as your average Congolose. That's fact.
They're just lucky that they born in a society where some actual intelligent people created stuff for them to use. They know jack shit.
Seriously…go ask an american like your average Wal Mart shitter if they can explain why 1+1=2 and 1x1=1

lmao

Your source is Reddit, an anti-American socialist shithole.

I'm sure Bill Gates is capable of defending all his private property on his own like the behavior observed in children, I guess putting 70% of the world's resources on the hands of the few is just "nature'

Does someone here have the landowner bear meme, it's really fitting right now

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ok

loc.gov/teachers/classroommaterials/presentationsandactivities/presentations/immigration/irish2.html
I think there is a huge difference, even the Irish managed to gather wealth earlier than blacks could

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Not a slur here. You are more worried about the wallets of billionares.

hello Billy where is the evidence?
SU had legal commercial stores of consumer cooperative sector where prices were not fixed and where you could buy shit for a much higher price than in the state stores

soviets had a pretty simple logic behind their economic policy at the time
by reducing costs of production of consumer goods in the state sector by keeping prices on the means of production artificially lower than their costs and by controlling wages they periodically reduced prices of the end consumer goods which applied downward pressure on the prices in the cooperative sector which in turn forced cooperatives to reduce their costs of production or go bankrupt and be bought out by the state

private entrepreneurship can be useful in creating new markets for new products, but when it comes to mass production, entrepreneur is not necessary anymore

Retarded, non-sequitur argument

If the Africans don't like it, tell them to rise up and fight off the intervening government. Get outta the fucking stone age, and start producing things for global distribution.

Good parts of civil wars are people rising up against goverment and guess what? It makes countries shittier.
African entreprenariat do exist. Innovation do exist.
theguardian.com/technology/2011/jul/24/mobile-phones-africa-microfinance-farming
Also noticed by Financial Times… not linking because paywall…

Well fascists do have different theory than not socialists. Fascism is somewhat related to syndicalism. However the differences aren’t what Holla Forums says it is. If anything it’s the other way around.

Start with the origins. George Sorel.