Nazis socialist or capitalist

Define "capitalism."

Keynsians are capitalists.

Germany had slaves. That is the opposite of labor protection.

Not really. "Government spending" assumes allocation of funds from the same private corporations capitalism states ought to operate without impediment.

Capitalism is commodity production for the purpose of capital accumulation. Government spending is irrelevant.

A government can't fulfil that definition. The government doesn't sell anything to the people, it takes from the people.

hitler introduced unemployment insurance and national healthcare

ihr.org/other/economyhitler2011.html

link with a bibliography of the primary sources that it quotes from. the lies that have been spread about labor in germany during that time is fucking disgusting. it's weird to see a leftist so readily sprout them when im sure you are deeply offended when lies about labor in the ussr are told.

academics especially modern ones are proponents of the liberal order and will tell whatever lies necessary to see it continue.

Businesses in Nazi Germany were producing commodities to accumulate capital. The mode of production in Nazi Germany was therefore capitalist. End of story.

Does this mean capitalism is just bourgeois socialism?

Capitalism is not defined as "only profit". The concept extends to different entities that can operate under a capitalism system. So, in the case of deficit spending, where do the funds come from?

according to the leftcoms here the USSR was capitalist

And the anarchists, and probably a lot of the real, actual leninists.

conversely I've seen it argued quite a few times here that China is currently not a capitalist economy.

Isn't a coincidence how often the negative is dissociated from the ideology, but the positive is associated with it?

I've seen it argued that people should vote bernie, oh wait, jill, oh wait, bourgeois elections are a waste of time.

well it wasn't communist. That shit had shit ton of social classes up the butt.

communism is a commune or tribe. primitive communism.
Doesn't exist on a state, can't exist. It has social classes it's by definition an oxymoron. If only the people around the Soviet time knew, probably a bunch of them knew but they were killed or silenced.

I realize somebody here isn't arguing in good faith (see this post and compare with what he replies to), so this post is just for new people who might lurk here.

>Nazi socialism took from each according to his ability and gave to each according to his NATION. Hence [email protected]/* */ Socialism.
The Nazis certainly did not share stuff equally among Germans. And you know that, of course.

Strikes were outlawed.

That's right. That purge is called Die Nacht der langen Messer (the night of the long knives), and it happened fairly early during the Nazi era (1933-1945), in 1934.

what nation didnt outlaw strikes in ww2????

strikes were banned in the ussr too.
is your argument that labor rights were better in the west because some places had for certain periods the right to strike?? (given freely during the greatest depression in history)

man weird to see a leftist defending capitalism so hard like this

in the usa people could strike and also in the usa the owners could hire private armies to murder them. wow that sounds like a better deal than what the germans got by destroying unemployment and seeing the largest gains in real income of any people during that period

strikes given a historical look have like only ever worked for dock workers. ridiculous the amount of hype lefties give it compared to shit like guaranteed unemployment insurance or injury insurance or a fucking 8 hour agreed upon work day all things the nazis were able to pay for (weimar did make a lot of promises tho!!!)

1. Every unemployed man aged 18-25 was forced to enlist in a government-controlled labor army. It provided the state with cheap labor and an opportunity to further militarize and indoctrinate society as a whole. Of course, they were not counted as unemployed in statistics.

2. Women were discouraged from getting employment through financial incentives and carefully-crafted propaganda. Their "duty" was to stay home, be good wives and have as many children as possible to ensure demographic dominance over Europe.

3. Needless to say, Jews were gradually forced out of the workforce — especially public service from which they were excluded altogether from the get-go. This allowed "Aryans" to walk in and occupy these now vacant professional positions. Moreover, Jews who fled the country had part of their assets confiscated.

4. Labor unions were banned, industrial actions were outlawed and organized workers were persecuted. Wages remained markedly lower than they were before Hitler rose to power and working hours grew longer as the limitations on the length of the workweek were abolished.

5. Compliance was bought off through a combination of ubiquitous propaganda and mindless entertainment. Germans swayed by Hitler's charisma paradoxically embraced both glorified self-sacrifice for the "greater good" and shallow enjoyment of cheap radios and tourism.

6. Industry and banking went through a wave of privatization unheard of in the West at the time, so much that they actually coined the word "Reprivatisierung" to define it. It was used as a tool to garner support from the business community. Basically, industrialists and bankers would swear political allegiance in exchange for monopolies.

7. Large-scale public work programs were hardly exclusive to Nazi Germany — the New Deal was enacted the same year the NSDAP seized power. The difference, however, was that the Nazis favored military spending over civilian spending. Newly-created jobs were mostly associated with war production in one way or another, especially in the armament industry.

8. Military expenditure, by the way, was unsustainable. It stood at more than 10% of GDP and vastly exceeded real economic growth. The only way it wouldn't collapse on itself was to do exactly what it was designed for in the first place: going to war.

9. The Wehrmacht and Schutzstaffel looted conquered territories. They annexed land and plundered resources (including currency and gold reserves). They saw that as the justified expansion of the "Aryan" Lebensraum over areas formerly inhabited by "lesser races".

10. Germans deemed "undesirable", abducted foreign civilians and captured POWs were forced to work for the war effort in labor camps for no pay in horrendous conditions which often lead to death through illness, hunger or exhaustion. Towards the end of the war, one in four people working for Nazi Germany was effectively a slave.

tl;dr the decrease in unemployment in Nazi Germany was the result of authoritarian, arbitrary, exploitative, unsustainable policies that were mostly a smokescreen for them preparing to unleash a devastating war that would burn Europe to the ground again. Fascist economics were shit then, they still are now and forever will be.

capped

Socialism existed before Marx.
Socialism had competing theorists contemporary to Marx.
Socialism has and will continue to change after Marx.

This is how far the nazi brain gets you. You understand what happens when you have immense state funded projects? You have to pay back the money you lend to fund those projects. Guess how that was supposed to happen? By going to war to keep industrial output high, plundering countries you have defeated for their resources, and eliminating economic opponents in said war. All while letting German people fight in said wars, and not surprisingly dying for their right to work and get health care.

The ban was enacted years before that.

the ussr banned strikes, the usa would kill you if you striked, and many coutries banned strikes during the war but kept it as is during the greatest depression in history lol

germans were forced from having 30%+ unemployment to finally be able to find a job the horror

why do you hate the USSR so much????

like money is a spook dude why is a leftist arguing for a balanced budget lmfao

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trade unions were jew controlled commie fuckers who hated germany and were active in the german civil war that killed hundreds of thousands. I mean yeah the NSDAP got rid of them. But how did strikes help anyone back in the 30s? I think one year in the weimar republic there was 3 million man days of strikes or something and yet how did that help anyone with the horrendous inflation rate and 30+% unemployment.

Labour Unions were truly another stab in the back of the german people by the hateful jew and the prosperity the german people enjoyed after getting rid of them tells all.
also slave labour of non germans isn't a problem tbqh

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libcom.org/forums/theory/prison-labor-camps-during-spanish-revolution-your-opinions-05102011

anarchists also didn't allow strikes either. Sounds like to a leftist I guess America is the best country in this regard lmfao

Not a refutation.

that hook nose is all I need to know

red fascism is still fascism

Let me guess, relativity theory is not real because Einstein is Jewish right?