Is this everything that is wrong with modern "anarchists"?

The roots of the post-structuralism garbage that is the academic foundation of idpol actually come from France. Derrida, Focault, Lacan etc.

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This is most likely a false-flag or an ironic comment. Most Antifas aren't very bright but they aren't that stupid.

Hell yeah straight white men are
NAT SOC

Nope, 114 likes and anyone who says anything against it gets banned from the group.

Shame, and I was really enjoying the group. =/

Now I know a lot of them are enemies of the proletariat.

i'm sure that bitch isn't hugo boss, so her uniforms will be shit

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How the fuck can you be sure you're kicking "cis scum" instead of a passing but closeted tranny?

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Nah, I see anarchists who know a lot of theory (even if it's bad theory) posting shit like this on twitter. "All men are trash." Yeah, it's not like men have historically been considered disposable in the physical sense, like actual trash to be used as literal cannon fodder. That's a totally revolutionary opinion pal.

114 likes? What the fuck… Are you positive this is a genuine group with genuine participants? I have a hard time believing you can be that stupid unironically.

This is the internet. Stupidity tends to concentrate and 🍀🍀🍀 certain people🍀🍀🍀 have put in effort to make leftist spaces appeal to the especially cancerous types of stupidity.

Yeah, there's been good discussion on leftist and anarchist theory, on the revolution etc.

This post really surprised me because I thought people in the group were comrades.

I really don't get idpol reasoning. If you're a straight white male you're trash, but if you're a white male who fucks men you're OK.

A working class cishet white male is trash, but a bourgeoisie gay black woman is an ally.

I'm gonna be honest, most of our uniforms will consist of normal clothes with red arm bands, and anything we end up stealing from the existing army - the same with the Soviets

Yeah except that people like Lacan and Foucault never actually wanted people to be retarded IdPolers. Just because you deconstruct something intellectually doesn't mean you should openly advocate for deconstructing it in real life, as a priority.

My conclusion from that is that some things are better left un-deconstructed because some American college liberals will make overcome XY-ism a new struggle.

The problem is not the uniforms, but the fact that they think of socialism as basically ethical capitalism without free markets. They imagine their life will go on just like before, just instead of the US army, there will be the Red Army, instead of Prisons, there will be Gulags, etc. It's just a 1:1 copy of the existing system, just with a few attributes changed.

Hitherto men have constantly made up for themselves false conceptions about themselves, about what they are and what they ought to be. They have arranged their relationships according to their ideas of God, of normal man, etc. The phantoms of their brains have got out of their hands. They, the creators, have bowed down before their creations. Let us liberate them from the chimeras, the ideas, dogmas, imaginary beings under the yoke of which they are pining away. Let us revolt against the rule of thoughts. Let us teach men, says one, to exchange these imaginations for thoughts which correspond to the essence of man; says the second, to take up a critical attitude to them; says the third, to knock them out of their heads; and – existing reality will collapse.
These innocent and childlike fancies are the kernel of the modern Young-Hegelian philosophy, which not only is received by the German public with horror and awe, but is announced by our philosophic heroes with the solemn consciousness of its cataclysmic dangerousness and criminal ruthlessness. The first volume of the present publication has the aim of uncloaking these sheep, who take themselves and are taken for wolves; of showing how their bleating merely imitates in a philosophic form the conceptions of the German middle class; how the boasting of these philosophic commentators only mirrors the wretchedness of the real conditions in Germany. It is its aim to debunk and discredit the philosophic struggle with the shadows of reality, which appeals to the dreamy and muddled German nation.
Once upon a time a valiant fellow had the idea that men were drowned in water only because they were possessed with the idea of gravity. If they were to knock this notion out of their heads, say by stating it to be a superstition, a religious concept, they would be sublimely proof against any danger from water. His whole life long he fought against the illusion of gravity, of whose harmful results all statistic brought him new and manifold evidence. This valiant fellow was the type of the new revolutionary philosophers in Germany..

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I'm sorry?

Way to miss the point

man maybe kek is real

call him a nigger

Yeah well early nuclear physicists didn't expect Hiroshima and Nagasaki to get bombed but they were essential components nonetheless.

It would only trigger him if I called him a cumskin mayofag. Which is entirely the point of the actions of the majority of white/cis/straight people who say "fuck white/cis/straight people" which would be obvious to anyone who isn't afraid of something.

Rational fears exist, like the fear of pushing a majority demographic away from what's supposed to be a workers' movement you dense motherfucker.

Where are the disciplined anarchists you know the ones who read a book before deciding on being a anarchist?

Yes, I'm sure being edgy to get the attention of easily offended better-off people is going to do that.
It won't. Obviously.

Around infoshops, communes, collective [whatever]'s. Places anyone here would not be.

Really gives my neurons a hardon.

if a straight white man isnt willing to get fucked in the ass or cut off his dick or go trans racial then he has no place in leftism imo. just a pretender rly

I want to fuck your obese white dad as you cup my balls faggot.

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A lot of these "better off people" who see this shit are poor, being lectured by University students/graduates.
Yeah, because the aut-right has nothing to do with alienated white men being ostracized by the left. I mean, there's no historical precedent for fascism rising out of the failure of the left to reach people in a crisis or anything.

see someone in praxis as a good leftist. Really proving my hypothesis here

actually he is right. whatever material condition you have is superseded by your own racial/gender/sex identity muh privilege. A poor white male hetero will never know the amount of struggle that a rich black gay woman might go through while the converse is untrue because its easier for. a rich person to understand the struggles of class rather than the pain of being underprivileged

The problem is they're not just being edgy you liar. When probed further by people on their side or who were upset by the rhetoric, the response is consistently to double down. And even if it was merely pretending, there are going to be people who take it seriously and repeat it unironically. See the MLP fandom for how far irony can spin out of hand. Fuck, see the alt-right for an example of the same. They grew out of ironic Nazi posting on 4chan.

Is there really much to discuss here?

Wow, what a funny happenstance.

*saging
Fucking mobile

I like the blackflag user who obviously hates all these fucking cishet whities here

I guess I'm old-school in the sense that I see society divided into the working class and the ownership class. Our position in society is determined by our relationship to capital and to the means of production. Just because someone may make a couple of dollars more per hour doesn't make them 'privileged', that is capitalist brainwashing that has gotten to you.

What happens when white people of one nation oppress the minority white people from another nation? Are they both muh privileged, should they both be considered scum?

To say one worker is more oppressed than another opens the door to 'oppression olympics' where people compete on who has it worse, rather than strengthening class unity and working together so everyone has it better. Idpol seems like classic COINTELPRO by the powers that be to divide the proletariat, or worse, push those who the 'left' marginalises into the right-wing because we all know fascists have no problems lying and pandering to the working class.

Do you think Caitlyn Jenner, because she's a millionaire trans woman Republican has it worse than Straight-Boy Joe working minimum wage in Kentucky? Stop being delusional.

More like both. 2 birds 1 stone.

its like you don't want the human race to end

I'm bi, I just consider myself an ally to straights and gays both because I'm not a fucking bigot.

Don't these same IdPol types claim that ironic bigotry is just as harmful as sincere bigotry? That giving voice to hatred of women can spread sexist ideology regardless of the speaker's intent? Then why do they effectively insist that half of all people on the planet are garbage?

I don't believe that ANYONE is inherently garbage, I believe that vehemently and If I didn't I probably wouldn't be a Socialist. In fact I'd probably be a narcissistic asshole who was completely unwilling to interact with any prole outside of the tiny specific subculture of assholes who talk and think just like me.

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Uphold Rafiq thought

radlib idpol in the anarchist movement is quite a problem fam
my city has a decently sized anarchist movement and there's many squats and cool places where I can find some like-minded people, but also a lot of radlib idpolers who will look back at their "radical phase" 2 years later

Asuka is inherently garbage.

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I fucking wish. But idpolers might aswell be cops.

stalin would be proud

this basically, these liberal arts faggots who want to design uniforms are useless, put on an armband and call it a day

that's what they always say, "its just a prank bro", just like Holla Forumsacks advocating for genocide
if anything it's these radlib idpolers who are well-off and rattle on about race and sex-based opression because they don't face any actual class disadvantage

rafiq is an ML right?
I see screencaps of his posts posted somewhat frequently, he's completely right on almost everything

it's like initiation rituals for fraternities
that's what these SJWs are in the end: college educated petit-bourgeois liberals

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I'd love to use this opportunity, as any, to trash anarchists, but this type of shit could come from any corner of the Left, and the problem is not the theory/platform themselves but the fact the Left has become a temporary refuge for angry young people who love the sound of their own voices when they say shit like that

Kill yourself faggotJust niggers being niggers what would you expect>>1739376

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The German left was violently crushed by succdems, in case you forgot. The fascists didn't out-debate anyone, they won through outright deception and exploitation of superstition like the volkisch movement.

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who says they're misusing the label, are labels and terms not subject to change over time? I thought anarchism was highly sectarian.

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Subject to change does not mean arbitrary.

They're just outright calling themselves liberals.

but an apple isn't an idea though, the apples definition is based on its physical appearance, physically show me anarchism.

are they for the immediate abolition of the state? Yes, then they're anarchists. If not, then they aren't. That's all anarchism is.

Its definitely OK to get upset by people denigrating you for characteristic outside of your control. I love the whole white/male fragility meme because White men are supposed to take any amount of abuse while Woman/PoC get to fly off the handle at the most innocuous "micro-aggressions."

Why are these people so pathetic?

Nominally caring about [stuff that's inherent to an ideology] while spending a lot of time doing [stuff that's not just unrelated but counterproductive to the ideology's point] is pretty much exactly what being a poseur is.

Okay, fair enough, but explain what real anarchists are supposed to do when we're not in a revolutionary phase?

And these dipshit kids would chastise you for even suggesting that.

Apples are actually social constructs. If you break down the concept of apple you can see that there's an arbitrary line drawn between apples and non-apple fruits. Who decided that, say, a crabapple isn't just as much an apple as a granny smith? Why should this be? In order to topple the cishet white supremacist capitalist patriarchy we must abolish all reactionary notions of fruit categories and remake them anew, as the complete inverse of what they were traditionally. DOWN WITH FRUTONORMATIVITY

Say that in these anarchist circles and they will call you a class reductionist or a shitty ally or whatever. To them the LGBTQ liberation movement takes precedence over the worker's struggle.

Revolution is a process. It doesn't end. What most refer to as 'revolution' is actually 'insurrection'.

Probably the exact opposite of this - reaching out to all working class people regardless of identity and acknowledging class oppression first and foremost as a way of binding people together. Recognizing different manifestations of oppression faced by [insert group here] is important, but in the context of mutual understanding, not as a way to have a self-righteous circlejerk over who is the most oppressed or (more often actually) who is the most righteous ally for abnegating the most muh privilege.

Good post but

I fucking hate when otherswise sane people are apologetic in standing up to this bullshit. No, these "issues" are exaggerated to the benefit of the ruling class in order to divide and control the people, they don't "permeate" day to day life for the average person. Stop propping up this bullshit by legitimizing it. Everything else he said was good, but I just hate when leftists finally stand up they always fall back on this sort of apologetic rhetoric that legitimizes the reactionary insanity they are fighting against, shifting the argument from "how to deal with class issues" to "nuh uh, this made up 'oppression' I'm feeling is just as important as class, here's why".

There's a distinction between the two, I'm pretty sure they meant revolution in the sense of open war like in the communes of days gone by.

(You) have to go back.
>>>/reddit/

Nope, its qualities are very well defined, and inherent to its essence. The apple still exists, and its there; regardless of what categories you want to define appleness by, so long as its category isn't contradictory, and has identity.

We all understand what an apple is. You can live in your postmodernist googly world where nothing means anything, but, even you, deep down when looking at an apple knows what you are looking at; regardless of whether or not you can perfectly define it in writing.

friendly reminder to ignore black flag posters

guys it's satire. they'd never apply idpol logic to mundane, well-understood things that have little potential for controversy

This. #notmycomrade

There is more than one of us and I don't talk this bollocks. I've been here longer as well its a real kick in the nuts this guy has adopted the flag

Shitty idpol started appearing regularly here under the black flag after I made several well-received posts with one. The same thing happened with the ancom flag for a while. They're systematically looking for markers that people respond to well or strongly and poorly. The latter was really popular with the anfem flag until people just decided to ignore it and then it went away. This shit happens in cycles. If you're here for even just a couple months it's easy to spot.

Whether it's Holla Forums or COINTELPRO or goons or reddit, someone's (badly) trying to subvert the board.

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most of these revolutionaries would die in a gulag

Except it isn't satire. It's a deliberate practice meant to shame muh privileged individuals into giving their platform to non-privileged persons. Shaming people like this won't ever lead to them being motivated enough to dedicate themselves to political struggle. Instead, it draws in the types who are already predisposed to a sort of cynical inaction, the aloof 'ally' types who are their for the scene and have very few if any sincere beliefs, why do you think it's so common for these male 'feminist' types to wind up being abusive creeps?

MLs: "Any theory that we learn, or organizing that we do is for the benefit of all workers"
Anarkiddies:"It's not my job to educate you, you're fucking TRASH, reeeeEEEEE"

nope

situationists against organization circlejerking irrelevant jargon, and other individualist and nihilist memes, are even worst.

that's why anarchism has been irrelevant in the last decades. At least the idpol liberals can organize and do something.

I also love how they can't see the irony of their support of YPG/PKK while calling everyone who isn't a purist authoritarian.

If it wasn't for Bookchin i would be a stalinist tbh

And it just went to its logical conclusion…

Are you trying to false-flag but forgetting to remove the swastika?

Don't worry m8, there is just one very prevalent black flag idpoller. He is pretty recognizable.

In all seriousness, if I knew I could get away with murdering this person I would do it with zero regrets.

Foucault was a Nietzchean edgelord faggot who didn't even like the left that much, idpolers seem to worship him as some sort of secular saint for some reason

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It's funny because Adorno was the one always screeching about fascism.

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Goddamn anarchists are a joke

But MLs don't think white workers count.

You're too much of a coward to accept that ML is the natural conclusion of leninism. At least Tankies are intellectually honest in that regard.

You have this reply to explain to me how Nietzsche was an edge lord without resorting to memes or a gross misrepresentation of the ubermensch. I know Nietzsche triggers the fuck out of leftists because he dumpsters your slave morality like Stirner.

Go.

Way to go, ragamuffin.

hahahaha oh god, he must have done some oppression calculus to determine being a poor white person really isnt as bad as being a well off poc

Yes

shit like this is just shallow ingroup signalling, totally empty of content. Most leftist online communities are inhabited by neurotic white people 'ironically' going on about how much they 'hate white people' in an attempt to prove they are 'one of the good ones'.

Gulag the anarchists. Authoritarianism is good.

No. Lifestylism woulld still be an issue without the idpol, but idpol is the biggest issue with the left.

shoot the tankies and quasifascists on sight, self-determination is good

female feminist has a distorted view on what an equal relationship is, and thus perceives any male as abusive towards the sacred twat

nah, they do not organize - they're herded, they don't do anything - they just make complacent noises

Altough I dont very much care for idpol, this is kind of taken out of context. People in this group started getting banned from facebook for saying "men are trash", so everyone got really contrarian. There was also a mystery to who were reporting it since it was a closed group. I think half the members dissapeared over the weekend.

and the hits just keep on comin…

What's wrong with this?

Are you for real?

>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neurotypical

straight out of r9k/wizardchan, kek

Friendly reminder to anyone pulling the "it's satire" card.

Communists in Eastern Europe doesn't have this problem

Don't worry. It'll be a peaceful neurotype cleansing.

It's a typical abusive tactic wrapped in feminist buzzwords. Unironically believing in the pop intersectional makes you an easy target for people with less than good intentions

*pop intersectional ideology

Maybe you should actually read State and the Revolution.

lel, forgot to take off my shitposting flag

Nietzsche shilled for aristocracy, wrote like a scizo and told wimmin back into kitchen

that must be why emma goldman liked him so much, redart

Nietzsche's tl;dr garbage doesn't hold a candle to Master Stirner's work. Lacks both the clarity and integrity.

I have. Aside from shrieking at muh anarkiddies it has very little to do with what Lenin actually did, and what Lenin actually did is close to what MLs want to do.

I actually like Nietzsche. Foucault is an interesting figure that should be taken seriously, not dismissed as a muh POMO sjw straw man or placed in a hagiographic pedestal. The French post structuralists were for the most part disillusioned ex-marxists with a nihilistic streak. Nick Land took a lot from Foucault and Deleuze, not only their ideas but also their personas.

there was a retarded annil poster (or maybe multiple) a while ago and now I don't see it anymore
I see all the bad posts under the black flag now

that was easier than I thought lol

This shit is completely ruining anarchism these days.

This shit has gained influence because anarchism has been beaten-down and a lot of anarchists are gullible. Anarchism is against all authority. It has always been against male authority and white authority as part of this. However, at a certain point idpols started claiming that anything which was not their exact doctrine was exercising white authority and male authority. They sprinkled this with a few examples of real and imagined oppression in movements, and the failure of the Seattle wave, which got rather absurdly blamed on "too many white men taking up space".

The real origin of idpol is the absurd idea spread by neocons and Third Way that mental distress counts the same as physical harm, intent doesn't matter, small deviance leads to big deviance, and people are responsible to "prevent" and "protect". An idea present in the "anti-social behavior" agenda, broken windows policing, and conveyor belt theory of terrorism. Add in a fair dose of Calvinist sin-hunting and witch-hunting, feels-over-reals (also mainstream in cases such as terrorism hysteria), and a behaviorist model of psychology with no real sense of the unconscious, and all the components of today's idpol are there already. All it takes is to apply the mainstream zeitgeist from the standpoint of a marginalised group.

You will not find these particular aspects of idpol in any feminist, gay liberation, black nationalist/liberation, or disability liberation text prior to about the mid-2000s. Some of the particular issues are already there, but hardly anyone is saying "fuck all cishet white men" or droning on about Holocausts, pronouns, pop culture bullshit, people questioning their "experiences". The idea that people are responsible for others subjectively "feeling safe" (i.e. comfortable, not challenged) literaly did not exist in the anarchist milieu - or anywhere else outside of East Asia. You also will not find them in classic poststructuralism, or in anarchism.

Poststructuralism starts as a radical challenge to orthodox Marxism in the context of France 68, and identity movements start in a similar radical challenge to the blind-spots of social-democracy and orthodox Marxism in the US. Both groups get recuperated by the universities, and poststructuralism is imported late, when Reagan/Thatcherism are already in full flow. A weird meld of identity-politics, poststructuralism and Eurocommunism was molded to displace Marxism on the "radical" wing of academia, and then loosely fused with the Third Way when it became dominant. Further popularisation in the Internet era, and the marginalisation of this academic "left" since about 2010, have led to the idpol composition we see today.

They do not understand Marxism. They have no sense of deep economic or social structures, other than language. They have no sense of the unconscious, except for crudely asserted motives of "privileged" people. They have little knowledge of the traditions they draw on. They hold onto influence in academia due to tokenism, impenetrable prose and mutual patronage. Their basically anti-intellectual stance (the only ground of knowledge is individual experience - feels over reals) does not prevent their being encouraged within academia. From academia, they creep into student politics and thereby into the wider left.

Anarchism should be deleted

Most idpols are either paranoid, borderline, or narcissist.

Paranoid idpols believe the enemy oppressor is everywhere, get triggered automatically by the mere presence of symbols they take as oppressive, and mistake this for "oppression permeating everyday life".

Borderline idpols are beset by constant feelings of being abused, abandoned, silenced and at-risk, usually stemming from childhood abuse. They explain these feelings, which permeate their everyday lives, as effects of structural oppression.

Narcissist idpols feel any threat to their egos as existential threats. Since they are low-achieving idiots, such threats generally permeate their everyday lives.

Idpol "anarchists" generally argue that:
1. the state is a problem, but it is a trivial problem compared to their preferred type of "oppression",
2. in the meantime, it's fine and even obligatory to collaborate with the state in any way which aids the "oppressed" group,
3. a stateless society is only possible in the very long term when patriarchy/white supremacy/etc has been destroyed.

In other words, they are "anarchists" to just about the same degree as Stalin (who also believed in an eventual stateless society).

In practice, they require power-hierarchies through which the "less muh privileged" dominate the "more muh privileged". These may not be statist, but are necessarily authoritarian.

Lorenzo Ervin's "Anarchism and the Black Revolution" is a good example. Sometimes he calls for a commune-type regime, other times he's basically calling for a "democratic" localised state with elected representatives. In practice he does not accept any system (e.g. Occupy general assemblies) as truly "democratic" unless it is fighting "white supremacy", i.e. it has to be ruled by his own faction. At one point he tried to create a PC-policing brigade within ABC, with the power to expel "racists".

There's a 99% chance these people will turn into stalinists when they get older.

Delete that.

that gives me ptsd flashbacks from octobed-november from all the liberals saying youre a priveliged piece of shit if you dont vote hillary

ive thrown it on Holla Forums and /baph/ too so it doesnt really matter

Who gives a shit? Fuck him.

I just thought it was funny he was an ugly white dude stuck in a wheelchair and even took his step father's name (even though his mother only remarried like 2 years ago) as his own online to post with

also that he lives in a $400k+ brick house in a very nice neighborhood but thats how it usually goes with antifa I guess

no fucking wonder he cares more about idpol than class, he'd hate to see his muh privileged life destroyed

Is this twitter legit or a parody account?

Yeah that's why I don't give a shit. The left needs less spazzy grandstanding fucks who will disappear at the first sign of trouble.

lol

no you shouldn't be allowed to call yourself an anarchist if you're: a socialist or commie, a capitalist, a fascist, a militarist

you're just a guerilla version of the State that will turn into a State

indeed, post-left anarchism is the only anarchism

They even turn on their own for things that seem like blasphemy to their ideology.

True. The worst part is almost all of their principles and norms are implicit instead of explicit. That way it becomes more difficult for these norms to be challenged, since they cannot be pointed out directly.

Yeah, he deserves it.

Jesus, just nys my man.

I try to read Deleuze, but I always fall flat on my face; those guys are pretty tough for me in all honesty.

Anarchism is liberalism taken to its logical conclusion. That's what makes it such an attractive option for liberal political hobbyists.

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Sounds like material dialectics.

Deleuze's essay on masochism is a good place to start; easy to understand, readable.

morrowind for life baby

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Fucking NTs.

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Yes, and they will disavow the principles they observably operate by, if called on them.

No it doesn't, dialectics doesn't just mean "opposite shit dude lmao"

Dialectics is just an elaborate bullshitting tactic. Nobody knows what 'dialectics' means, that's part of the charm.

Dialectics is just an elaborate bullshitting tactic. Nobody knows what 'dialectics' means, that's part of the charm.

Very insightful post, I was wondering exactly at which points do the theory espoused by the alleged "cultural marxists" intersect (no pun intended) with the ideas of the modern radical liberals? I only have an elementary understanding of Adorno, Foucault, Gramsci etc but I have yet to see anything that would be compatible with SJW nonsense, most of the thinkers associated with the cultural marxism boogey man seem to actually have ideas that vastly differ from the rhetoric of contemporary inter sectional feminism. Essentially where in the actual fuck is this stuff coming from? A few months ago was my first time experiencing seriously cancerous idpol in the academic sphere. I was at viewing of some trans movie at my college and there was a Q&A session afterwards with some sort of mental health professional (using that term lightly) who helped over 200 people transition. During the Q&A she discussed the marginalization trans people experience from society which is legitimate. Someone asked a question along the lines of "why is society so transphobic?" and her response was I shit you not "Well, I'm Persian so this doesn't apply to me" keep in mind she looks like a white person ergo receives white muh privilege according to a lot of SJW types, "but the reason society is so transphobic is because of white people" then she went on to say that studies have shown white people are more transphobic than other races which is total bullshit.

tl;dr fuck idpol