Get invited to a discord

yes

Yes, it means you think people are divisive for not buying into your own divisive bullshit, if you consider the post alongside everything else this retard shits out.

He's not the first one on this board to come up with this.

t. redditor

That's far from being something that says "this is correct".

Eat shit Holla Forumsack

t. cointelpro pro

No offense dude, but I've seen a lot of SJW posts with that flag recently, so I'd prefer a second opinion.

As somebody with a legitimately autistic sibling (ie not somebody with a cute interest in trains and ponies, but rather one who screams and punches himself 24/7) I really have nothing but scorn for self-diagnosed aspies and the "neurodiversity" movement.

If there were something that'd remove my brother's autism I'm sure he'd take it in a heartbeat. He's in constant agony.

Mate, they're the ones banning us from all their communities. Even with all the shit redditors get here, they're still way more welcome than we are on /r/soc or /r/FC.

I appreciate him, his shitposting, intentional or not, is pretty good, I'm sure he will be included in the pantheon of Holla Forums's most successful trolls sooner or later.

It's just one faggot from either reddit or the J. Edgar Hoover building.

I think the french bullshitters/philosophers attached themselves to the idea of classes, it got all mixed together in us schools, but because those philosophys are so toxic and people who get attracted to them/SJW are toxic aswell, i hope we ll split soon

Have you tried giving him a trainset?

Yeah because it's not a cointelpro tactic to divide the working class and pit us against each other based on racial/sexual/other lines.

Those were me.
You're full of shit, and I hate you for getting all your fucking opinions from Holla Forums. What the fuck is wrong with you?

Maybe that's because you buy into right wing propaganda and are a detriment to the left, and out of everyone I've met on this board or from this board, none of them, not a single one, still uses it, they all hate it, they're all too left wing now.

Been here since the start. You're all just upset that I'm going against your dumbass idpol.

kill yourself

Nobody cares how long you've been an insufferable faggot. It's the first time I'm noticing you so I think you're nothing but a lying little cunt from reddit trying to bullshit and bluster his way through.

Can you explain how idpol unites people?

no u

But this is literally the only board on this site that I browse.

yeah fuck him for using those fancy words.

Jesus I use "autistic" pejoratively on leftist meme pages on fedbook and autists are always quick to REE about le ableism

"workers of the world unite even if you're [any of these identities]" does a hell of a lot more for bringing people together than "workers of the world unite, unless you're [any of these identities]" which is essentially what you say when you go around telling people the things they experience in their lives are made up because the right-wing youtuber made a video about it and it became Holla Forums culture and Holla Forums just sticks with it because of it.

And you still get your fucking opinions from it you fucking stupid monkey.

No you, divisive right wing shill.

Yeah, what we really need is more intersectionality and subjectivist masturbation. That will work wonders for establishing a leftist popular movement. It's going great so far.

Whatever was wrong with "workers of the world unite", period? I mean, christ, just how condescending are you? You think [minority] won't be able to tell what is in their best interest without a virtue signalling flag in every slogan or what? How little do you think of all these folks?

Lurk more you fucking idiot, Jesus Christ. You think we're all racist brocialists who only care about straight white men of the working class? Fuck you.

This thread is going to be fun

Alright leftypol, ACTUALLY tell me why Ableism, Racism and Sexism aren't important enough to the point where you should censor your language.

Think more. Isn't it disgusting to use Holla Forums as a source, as an authority? Yes, it is.

Yes, what we really need is more non-sectarianism and not fucking around forcing other people to submit to us,
oh it's you
the guy who thinks domination is a form of unity.
NOTHING. RETARDS LIKE YOU FUCK IT UP BY TURNING MASSIVE SWATHES OF PEOPLE AWAY.

Probably.

I think the worst part of all this is that really it's all a big social game to make yourself look and sound nice.
Nobody wants to listen to a literal autist give a lecture on the history of an obscure floridian charter airline snuffed out too early by the predatory practices of other carriers. But people will pretend to tolerate, they'll ignore - but that's even worse than saying "Look kid, either tell me why United beats people up or clear off." because you never let them know, you can't just rely on inference because they're autistic - and when they eventually get bored and clear off on their own it'll be all the worse because it's not actually clear what they're doing wrong.

Then they conclude that what they're doing wrong is communicating their interests whatsoever, and that's basically the death knell of any form of socialisation whatsoever.

But just don't use autistic as a verb except in reference to the self and everything is fine, in alignment with my liberal sensibilities. 🙂👌 It's not about the quality of life of others, but about my own sense of helping, even if the realization this is what's at play will begin a brief bout of depression as yet another autist contemplates whether this means neoclassical economic conceptions of the rational-self-interested individual really are correct so we'll never see a massive government push for high-technology investment yielding aircraft that differ from the boring wing-mounted-twinjet design paradigm of the present.

What I'm saying is Reddit ruined airplanes. I think.

Do those people even exist in the real world? I thought it was just a strawman used by Hillary supporting liberals to shame Bernie supporting liberals.

neo-liberalism

The fucking use of the strawman has become its own strawman.

i know you said self diagnosed but that's how i read it anyway

I think the most impressive thing about Black Flag being here since the beginning is that they've managed to be so bland and consistently retarded that they've convinced leftypol they're numerous stupid users rather than just the one.

I've had to switch flags a few times because people kept thinking I was prickly and n1x.

I wouldn't even be all that surprised by there is NO proof of this.

Some retard will probably post that infograph with the "progressive stack" of the wikipedia pointed out, but this does not actually contain proof

Because meanie words won't disappear even if you try to make them as taboo as humanely possible.

I doubt this.
That's not what I said you disingenuous cunt. You're using a completely made up consensus to attack us, that was my point. I'm not asking you to agree, I'm asking you to actually look at people's opinion instead of making a strawman of them.

As far as I'm aware its me and one other guy. I'm the one that shills for Action Front. The other one is also in this thread.

1. proofs
2. Who would that be, pray do tell? We have more women than a typical image board, more ethnic minorities, more traps, etc. Holla Forums is the least idpol leftist space, yet it is also atypically diverse.

Because non-sectarian economic-focused socialism appeals to all. Face it, you are just a pomo guzzling white boi who wants to find use for his worthless theories, and are hijacking other people's struggles and speaking for them.

Stop 'splaining for others. They don't need your voice, and are just fine with Holla Forums as it is.

Yeah you're the alright one. I had no idea all the retarded posts were emanating from one person. Pretty interesting that it's also the ancom that accuses everyone of being Holla Forums, that user was a complete fucking cunt too so it's no surprise they change flags when people get sick of them.

People will believe whatever justifies their biases. This conspiracy theory justifies refusing to allow certain minorities necessary material alterations.

Well, since I was banned from /anarcho/
No but it's what "lurk more" means. Find out the consensus and follow it, don't dare try to form bridges between this place and the rest of the left.
I wouldn't call it made up in that case.
It's almost like my initial post was saying that exact thing in different words.

I don't take a picture of every retarded thing you say.
I don't have the hard drive space.

Every group who's struggles are dismissed is a group who is further alienated.
We have less women than /r9k/ and "we have token minorities" has never been important or meant anything, we have more ethnic minorities than reddit, is all we know for sure, same about tokens.
this board has been at least half outright anti-trans, or those posters are just much louder than the rest, we might be pro-trap but only as much as your typical straight guy is "pro-lesbian". Same about tokens.

We need to get these groups to become actually radicalized in real life. To do so we have to at the very least not get in their way when it comes to their own liberation.

I change flags because you faggots kept accusing me of being prickly for breaking your pseudo-leftist torture chamber consensus, then the same fucking thing when you kept calling me n1x. I like not being mistaken for other people.

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I don't want you to think I'm n1x or prickly, even though n1x is right quite a bit and prickly seems like a real cool guy.

Ebin. Simply ebin.

Why I dislike Anarchists.

Good thing they have you to tell them how it actually is, because you know better than them.

Holla Forums and anti-idpol leftism are the way of the future and offer any oppressed group the best shot at true liberation, in stead of the navel-gazing you are peddling. They know it, and that is why they disproportionately come here. Go ahead, call them tokens again. Remind them just how highly supposed allies like you think of them.

You are the best salesman for anti-idpol on this site.

Because people don't like it when you completely misinterpret their stance on things and then attack them based on that misinterpretation.

/r9k/ has a surprisingly high proportion of women, so…
Why? With exception to women, for the most part it only stands to be mutually disadvantageous. A serious trans*-communist movement for example would only serve to associate the two more closely - meaning that the steelworker doesn't like communism because he's touchy about men in dresses after walking in on his dad that one time - and the transgender person is more isolated than ever before because even if they find people who can tolerate gender identity issues, that person is afraid of the muh 60 billion in the gulag-famine.

I'm not saying actively tell trans* people to fuck off, of course (my position as always remains "it's a fucking sinkhole discussion wise that - if anything - only serves to attract Holla Forums or get otherwise normal people to show their own Holla Forums tier retardation.") just that specifically targeting them for radicalisation seems highly dubious.

I mean like damn, at least we could get r9k to shoot up a McDonalds or something.

I mean, as far as you know I am one and I'm just being observant.
anti-idpol leftism as in post-leftism? Because that's who does anti-idpol the best and the most. I can get behind that.
Coming here from other chans =/= coming here because you're sooo smart and saw past everything to find the ultimate truth on a fucking Holla Forums board.

Reminds me of something.

Stop hiding behind this you utter faggot. You have a meme tier understanding of everything and the fact you get accused of being every other retard under other flags and when you stop using those flags the accusations aren't put to other users using them means you have a bad case of being an attention seeking cunt.

And they actively hate them, but somehow they're more useful than this board.

This is why I call you divisive idpollers. We do not need to prevent anyone from being radicalized, it's not "disadvantageous" at all.

There's a difference between making a specific trans-communist movement and recognizing their struggle alongside all others in the fight against hierarchy and domination. Turning people away because they might offend some men is far from worth it.

that fucking feel when it's impossible to be supportive of people with a serious medical condition and not be anti-communism at the same time
unless you just mean anti-stalinist because most anarchists in the west are fine with this stuff.

You specifically target every worker and person who is on the bottom of the hierarchies of today. It's impossible not to without specifically not targeting them, which is much more suspicious than trying to appeal to as many

I specifically went out of my way to not bring it up until he got mad at me for not fucking being one.
Fuck off you slimeball fuck.
t. started a thread saying "oh man I was so lost before I found Holla Forums and everything you say is so right thanks for showing me the truth"

I didn't know disagreeing with you made me an attention seeking cunt.
Stay upset that everyone good keeps leaving this board.

Okay, in all seriousness though, why use "autistic" as a pejorative?

What's the point?

You do a pretty fucking good job of not bringing it up in every thread you eventually bring it up because people are telling you to fuck off. You're just an opportunistic fuck looking to hijack movements for your own immediate gain. Kill yourself.

It makes me feel strong and superior over the less fortunate.

Autism is a neurodevelopmental disorder characterized by impaired social interaction, verbal and non-verbal communication, and restricted and repetitive behavior. When you call someone autistic, you're saying he suffers from those symptoms.

I didn't say prevent. I said "expend no extra effort specifically targeting."

It's not about turning people away, it's about saying "If you're trans and you want to talk about how to dispose of corpses in german canals, great. Otherwise fuck off."

"Recognizing their struggle" is nebulous as fuck. I mean what, do I say "I acknowledge your struggle" or do you expect me to expend any extra effort? Because while I have the greatest of sympathy for them and would gladly bulldoze the other side of the idpol spectrum into the Landwehr canal first, I'm not actually willing to expend effort. It's even less time-efficient than reading bourgoise economics. At least occasionally an ancap is tricked into reading steve keen.

It really isn't. "You're being fucked because your employer's a cunt, unless you're unemployed in which case that's government policy to keep profits high" applies to a far greater segment of the population then when you start tagging on "and also that's why you can't get hormones/why the police shoot you/why scotland is still in the UK/why British Rail doesn't exist anymore"

And transgender people are the tiniest demographic of the lot. Like I say, for all my sympathy it's a black-hole for any movement. Arguing about bathrooms all day is not productive activity whatsoever. (Well, unless you want to quickly be converted to a Tankie or a Guyanist.)

Well it's not my fault this board won't let you support marginalized groups without being one because they'll rail on you for being a white larper who speaks for other people, then if you give in and say they're wrong, you're wrong again for being an attention whore.
Really it's just a lose-lose situation because you're desperate to defend your divisive behaviour and hang ups.

Fuck off retard. A bunch of Holla Forumsacks and robots discovering socialism is not a "movement". This board exists because of gamergate for christs sake. I'm not hijacking this, I don't fucking want it, you're paranoid and it's pathetic.

That sounds explicitly ableist.

Why is OP so offended he got called out on it then?

You're the only person with divisive behaviour you whining fuck.
Fuck off back to reddit.

Because he was upset they gave a damn.

As though calling people out on shit does anything but make you look like a twat.

t. autismo who can't stand normalfags who complicate socialisation even further by pretending to be above the flock by sticking up for you but then don't actually want to be friends
NO
SIGNAL CLEARLY OR TRAINS CRASH.

You said neither. And since it's something that is met with hostility on this board in most cases, I would say "prevent" is the fair assumption.

That is turning people away.
"If you're suffering from a medical condition and are willing to not fight for treatment and liberation, great. Otherwise fuck off."

"That's great, but I seriously need my medicine"
Because appealing to the fucking majority will help you when it comes to appealing to minorities. Why. The. Fuck. Not. Both. You. Fucking. Retarded. Dumb. Divisive. Cunt. Why the fuck not both?
Why the fuck not these?
These are serious things that if you help people help themselves with they will do great things. The black panthers cared about police brutality because it's a real problem and those communities wouldn't have become leftist without them being there and recognizing these issues and attempting to stop them, radical leftism, marxism, anarchism, never would have spread in those communities like it did if it wasn't for them, and appealing to the unique needs of their own communities.

Like clockwork.

They were still right though.

And this is not important unless you want them to keep becoming lolberts.
Do you want them to keep becoming lolberts?

How fucking delusional. Look at this socdem. Look at so many of the threads where you'll have people claiming "nobody on Holla Forums is a nationalist" and "everyone on Holla Forums is a nationalist", fuck off, stop pretending you represent everyone. There is a right wing presence on this board, there's an /r9k/ presence as well.

ARE YOU PRETENDING ALL THOSE THREADS WHERE Holla ForumsACKS AND ROBOTS COME HERE AND SAY THANKS, AND ALL THOSE THREADS WHERE WE WENT OUT TO /R9K/ AND Holla Forums TO SHILL, WERE MY IMAGINATION YOU LITTLE LYING REACTIONARY SHIT?

I'll bite: just what kind of identarian oppression are you facing exactly?

And to an earlier point, you'll find that I never deny identity groups face certain specific problems or oppression. Go look if you want. I do think it is a dead end to focus on them in the way and to the degree that you are. The material base comes first - we are living in a system that is barreling towards its own and possibly our collective annihilation, and this is comparatively being neglected in current idpol infested leftism.

There are currently identarian victories abound: gay marriage is here to stay, transgenderism is racing towards generalized acceptance and already can claim a lot of cultural and political victories, even BLM is making gains in a burgeoning police reform movement. Especially the shift on issues like sex and gender has been very abrupt if you look at it historically, and that's pretty great. The identarians are winning well enough on their own within the neoliberal system. But that is the end of it for now. You're getting free choice in bathroom access - but no socialized medicine to pay for SR surgery. That is what idpol is buying us.

You can fight, I'm just not going to join you. It's a tangential struggle that would suck up my time and energy and eventually get me done for cutting off some Holla Forumsacks cock when I tire of verbal argument.
Then you better start murdering the bourgoise.
Because. I. Am. One. Individual. With. Finite. Time. On. This. Earth. And. It. Is. Not. An. Efficient. Use. Of. That. Time. To. Fight. For.

I'm not, you're just a fucking cunt that needs to go back to reddit.

To seize the MoP requires soilidarity from all proles. And on top of that an ask to the said proles they absorb obsene risks to meet said goal.

Yet you myopic af leftists expect indigenous, female, homosexual and black and brown people to just forget all that shit and completely trust groups of people that were comfortable with the oppression they endured because of these identities.

The left is not dead because of SJWs its dead because of you.

He won't top Hoochie Minh any time soon though. To be continued…

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Why does it require any sort of active role? So long as they don't aid porky (and I don't trust the women on this.) who cares?

Although more and more I'm questioning why I'm inclined towards socialism to begin with given I'm asocial as fuck. Let someone else deal with this bullshit, I should never have given up birdwatching.

Fuck off. "Comfortable with oppression" my ass.

If I call you a dumb nigger and you point out that nigger is only an insult because of racism and that using it helps perpetuate racism, you might be technically right, but you're still being a fucking faggot about it.

If you people had your way, the only insults we'd be able to use are sinner and pissbaby, and I'm not even 100% sure about pissbaby. I'm sure someone would try to argue it's ageist or some other dumb shit like that.

"That's ableist" is a technically correct statement.
"What the fuck dude, that's ableist! Don't even!" is just virtue signalling.

Simply stating a fact about the post made would be silly.

That's a post on 8ch.net.

I don't know, she had an awesome ability to piss off every one in a thread and derail the whole thing until the end.
One of the only person I knew above her level was biotroll on 4/mu/ circa 2012-2013.

Irrelevant. The fact that I am in some way or another is something I have to disclose to be able to say things that support other people in other groups without being called out for it.
I'm not even. You're all just assuming I am because I'm saying we give them any attention, at all, and actually recognize their issues as important and at the very least not get in their way or denounce them when they act themselves to take what they can.
Primitivists would agree. They'd be right.

Consider that though, they're making gains within the neoliberal system and becoming nothing but a new demographic to advertise to. These groups are not becoming radicalized. If it were the far-left they could use as their vehicle to liberation it would be the far-left that would be brought closer to realization, not the liberalism that these people are being handed to on a silver platter.

I'm not fighting for them even all that much, I'm just meaning don't get in their way at least.

Then tell them that. Don't say "your concerns are idpol only capitalism matters" say "your concerns are important, let's fix them together by dismantling capitalism", that's how you get people interested in ending capitalism.

>Because. I. Am. One. Individual. With. Finite. Time. On. This. Earth. And. It. Is. Not. An. Efficient. Use. Of. That. Time. To. Fight. For.

I'm doubly serious about this. I take all hierarchies seriously, they're all cancer and I see no point in ranking them in terms of less or more cancer. My focus on certain issues while on Holla Forums is due to my belief that the board has too many people with right wing beliefs that need to be challenged consistently to prevent them from appearing too normal.

My only interaction goes so far as to say "This thread will devolve into Holla Forums shitposting" anyway. None of this comes up in real life. A lot of the actual practical threads started are often (a) probable bait because come on, and (b) in any case not likely to go anywhere productive. Specifically, I mean, I'm talking in the context of the board.
And it's been a purely theoretical discussion because these demographics are barely here. (And on a personal level since the board as a whole is basically just a spectacular version of ELIZA I throw posts at, like all imageboards, I mean, I'd rather my clearing union threads weren't killed by "let's campaign to get the democratic party to recognize us!" threads.)

And I mean tying into that last line of thought, if it's a choice between being more welcoming to minorities by not calling people stupid niggers, or keeping a relatively isolated board with a more leave-alone tone to flagrant rudeness… let some other board be the vanguard of the revolution.

Abolish capitalism, don't give a fuck about hierarchies on the whole. Sometimes people are retards and need to be told what to do. (See Holla Forums, ideally tell them to die.)

Wall of text = reddit

Just because you aren't a regular user on reddit doesn't mean you won't fit in in there, because you will…you will fit in right with that crowd.

Your concerns take generations to fix. Capitalism can be smashed very easily with the right amount of people.

browser crashed and i lost my icon of strangulation.

When it does, because if you're around those people and you attempt to bring them into radical leftism it will, it's better to say the second thing instead of the first.
Here's the thing though. Not calling people stupid niggers isn't just about being more welcoming to minorities, it's about not perpetuating the propaganda we've been fed since birth. That rudeness, the ironic shitposting and desire to scare away the normalfags with edgyness was the exact same strategy that 4chan took. It's not one I consider to work. You attract people by being ironically edgy, and you become sincerely edgy after a few years.
All the bad parts of capitalism are the hierarchies. Socialism is just a more horizontal way of organizing the economy. It's wonderful and we need it but still.

How are you ever going to read a book then?

I have no idea how to use it. I prefer anarchist chans anyways.
They can both be smashed very easily with the right amount of people. It's hilariously easy do to both at the same time, there's no reason to demand we preserve hierarchies.

You are putting the cart before the horse. Leftism cannot give these people any liberation short of destroying or freeing everyone from the system first. If neoliberalism isn't first broken, it will simply block the leftists initiatives or break leftist self- organization. So if we bring people in, or organize around their particular concerns first and foremost, they will quickly find that in the short term neoliberalism has a quick deal for them, while leftism only promises more struggle for a longer time. Porky meanwhile offers a shot in the arm. Much like a labour aristocracy, they can be bought with small incremental improvements for a while. It makes such identarian groups almost inherently poor revolutionary potential.

That's the crux of the matter I suppose; identarian groups can make gains within the system, so they can be bought by the system. Long as they have not reached the greatest possible liberation within the system, an identarian group has little potential.

But yes, we should market leftist ideas that would be good for identity groups to identity groups. That's pretty obvious. It's also not the same as making identity affirmation and whatnot a core plank of a movement - it's much more like a bargain.

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That's homophobic

I mean, in real life I'd probably just go talk to some other guy about history, or briefly say "Well basically I'm okay with this but know nothing", then duck out to buy food. Holla Forums isn't likely to crop up and the liberals will coalesce. (not that it's a purely liberal thing, but in my social circle of sorts.)

Not really inclined to believe this.

At the very least it forces people to pretend not to be normalfags, which is enough to keep the illusion functional enough that imageboards are still usable. Even if they've started to take it seriously and sink the ship.

this is what Holla Forums promotes. this is what "We dont give a shit bout 'identity', we give a shit about class" means
literally fucking what, when, how
Rejecting 'MY SPECIAL IDENTITARIAN PROBLEMS ARE THE MOST IMPOPRTANT LOOK AT ME AND TALK ABOUT MY PPROBLEMS NOT CAPITALISM' is not any of that. fuck off.

yes. let that sink in

No no. At the same time. You must do both at the same time or you will not effectively do either. If leftists attempt to sacrifice their revolutionary purity for the sake of an easier ride, we'll end up no better than previous leninist attempts.
I'm not saying to do this, I am arguing to allow them to organize their concerns and not demonize them for doing so, and not demonize other leftists for doing so, because it's a valid long term strategy. Both is possible. In our own places where we have power, it's shown how easily we can do both.
We should be promising a struggle, one that will actually change everything. We shouldn't be letting members of the fucking working class be lost to bourgeois interests.
These people are still poor, the ones I'm talking about, they're still members of the working class, the only reason they can get bought out by liberals is if they don't see the left as an option, as something that is in their own interests.
Including something and making it the central point are very different.

read anarchists

That means in real life your are not good at talking to these groups about leftism, not that nobody should.
Perpetuating racist attitudes even ironically is perpetuating the capitalist propaganda.
No, it just fills us with the kind of people who think the fact we said nigger three times now means this place is a home for them.

And it is what I promote, and very often Holla Forums gets upset about that.
It's what it is supposed to mean, yes, but I refuse to believe that you believe that that is what everyone's pushing, like there aren't constantly people using that as a cover to attack the concept itself by fostering division.
Last thread I argued about this someone said racism is not real, it's "anti-materialist" to be concerned about it.

Oh also
:3c

Few maintain that nobody should do so.
My point is that ideally, people shouldn't create threads to do so here, on this board.
i.e. teenage autists I can pretend are actually 20-something university students just like me.

I have yet to encounter any IRL leftist movement that does not also include in it's programs or plans of action things that addressed the concerns of say, transfolk. Not one. It's always part of the deal, has been for the last few decades. So when you say that there is not enough focus on these things, or that there is unwarranted hostility to your promoting of idpol, I simply don't understand that. All the opressed minorities are already getting as good a deal as any from tradleft groups.

Is your primary gripe that we don't do enough speech policing on Holla Forums? Not outright and immediately ban people who say right idpol things, or haven't quite bought the left idpol orthodoxy? There is nothing funny about calling people nigger, and I won't do it, it's nasty. Doesn't mean we should ban folks who do.

I think they should just because you think they shouldn't and I think you thinking they shouldn't has dangerous long-term implications.

Which means it's the core point now?
I don't fucking say that.
I say fucking Holla Forums is too afraid and hostile towards those things, and I wish to build bridges to the greater left, not that the greater left is ignoring it.
There is unwarranted hostility to my attacking of right-idpol. Here. On Holla Forums.
Well you've always known I'm not talking about them. I'm talking about the people here.
Maybe I think you do it too inconsistently, with too obvious a bias.
Not being hypocrites would be a good start. If you're going to be this full of fervor to go after my perceived idpol then I would certainly fucking expect the same amount of aggression towards right wing idpol, but I don't see that, and I don't like what that implies.

There is plenty of hostility towards right idpol. Every racebaiting thread quickly fills up with debunking of race "realism", every Holla Forumsyp who spergs too hard is promptly banned. Right idpol threads are quickly bumplocked.

And no shit people go after your idpol with fervor, this board is one of the few leftists online spaces where it isn't all idpol, all the time. But you are not banned, you can speak out and convince people with all your might if you think that's important.

So you want more threads about how shit Holla Forums is and less threads about how shit leftist idpol is? Is that all?

Not nearly the same amount as towards the left though. Racism is one thing. The rest of it though, attitudes on nationalism are the most obvious that can slip by freely sometimes, there is a strong ML presence on here. Last thread about this, the argument got super into the trannies and people were outright hostile there too. As well as a lot of the threads where women come up, the /r9k/ way of viewing them is pretty awful. And it's not everyone, but it's enough that it's something to notice.

As long as both are proportionately opposed you couldn't call it suspicious.

Cause mean words isn't oppression. And political correctness is failing right now on a massive scale, why do you think yo can avoid this by being even stricter in your language censoring?

Well, you will never get an imageboard that isn't also populated by imageboard users, if you follow me. As for the nationalism, it's fine, none of it is imperialist. Non-racial nationalism needn't even be rightist, it has historically been very emancipatory. Now when it comes to trans, don't underestimate that a lot of the issues relating to gender as an identity or role, gender essentialism, the epistemic question, identity or medical issue… none of that is settled even within the community itself, let alone in the genpop. So don't mistake honest debate for hate.

This thread is a prime example of absolute fucking cancer.

Like what?

If we draw it out far enough, either all the Holla Forums cunts will be pushed here as the ersatz-overton-window is dragged left and I'll actively turn to trying to destroy the board, or we'll be pushed into a world where they're no longer oppressed based on identity so there's no need to discuss it on any practical level.

Lefty/pol/ isn't the vanguard and can afford to restrict itself to talking about killing porky, worshiping stalin, (making movies) making songs and (fighting round the world) hating Americans for screwing over the clearing union. Give or take.

Example:
Everyone is toeing the party line, except for one tankie and a nazi.

Conclusion: Retards. I can literally feel pain in my fucking brains.

Jesus christ, do something, get help or something. Being this retarded even on internet should be illegal.

Okay, so I need to ask a few questions

What are your views on jews

What are your views on interracial marriage

What are your views on gays, transexuals etc

What are your views on transgender etc

And you've made it worse faggot.

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You have to have views on this shit, it's a pervasive presence in society and either you support it or you don't, you can't close your eyes and pretend these things don't exist

Anyway, I just read that user's post and thought he was being reasonable so I wanted to gauge what the ideological standpoint was here

If I may chime in.

A major, but not the sole, destructive force in the world.
A tool of the Jew to destroy social cohesion and human capital.
Homosexuals engage in anti-social behaviors (unprotected, promiscuous sex, spreading STDs, abusing adopted children) at rates far above those of the heterosexual population. Transsexuals are invariably deluded but often have underlying neurological abnormalities.
A delusion.

All of those are better than reddit spacing.

what is your meaning with a Nazi flag on this board? I'm curious. I've never wandered over to this side of 8ch, I'm curious what the ideological viewpoint is here on average, I want to know more about what it is that leftypol intends to accomplish basically, whether those goals are similar or dissimilar to my own ideals

Never used reddit, I spaced as I did because each question was separate and I asked them all in the exact same manner, it was a stylistic choice, kindly fuck off cancer

Great
Great, but I suspect there are several poorer communities out there that don't like them and I think it's more important that they're liberated from capitalist oppression than being convinced it's ok
Great, but I suspect there are several poorer communities out there, including my own, that don't like them and I think it's more important that they're liberated from capitalist oppression than being convinced that they're ok
Great, but I suspect there are several poorer communities out there, including my own, that don't like them and I think it's more important that they're liberated from capitalist oppression than being convinced they're ok

I'm sort of a guest here. I'm not a Leftist in the orthodox sense, but I do find some of the viewpoints here engaging (especially the class question, on which Holla Forums is sadly completely bluepilled).

The Nazi flag exists because Holla Forums is such a major part of 8ch, and because Holla Forums sort of emerged from it. Read the sticky.

are you the Uruguayan nazi?

No, I'm white.

Care to elaborate? I do see that difference ideologically that Holla Forums laser focuses its weaponized autism purely on the jew which is fine as improvements therein would result in improvements to inequality but yes, there is little thought given to the idea of fixing the system of economic oppression beyond "day of the rope" and all

What I think is easily missed is that the uber wealthy won't just roll over and die, they have tremendous resources and power and it takes great concerted efforts to make any meaningful threat to their power

irrelevant. jews that work on finance are corruption lovers and will receive their punishment
irrelevant
sexual orientation is irrelevant
transgender people are victims of capitalism and a narcisistic society. they allow their genitals define who they are, because they can be wtvr they want regardless of the genital they have born with. Changing genitals doesn't make you into the oppsoite gender, you can not fool biology.
I used to think transgender was irrelevant as well, but then i started to see cases like The Wachowskis and Bruce/Caitlyn Jenner. It's pretty obvious this people are sick, they are alienated dispite all the fame and money and so they create this issues on themselves in a fake pursuit of happiness.

I don't care
I don't care
I don't care
I suspect there might be too many positives(see no further than Chris-chan or Rebel) among them, so I'll sustain my judgement. Those with legit dysphoria are okay though.

FUCK OFF ABLEIST SCUM GET OUT OF MY BOARD REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

What is the end goal? Holla Forums's is day of the rope leading to end goal of White Nationalist Not Socialism, eradication of jews as a necessary step to establish and maintain the society evidencing hundreds of years and hundreds of instances of jewish expulsion due to their tricks. Jews are disproportionately found in positions of power, in government, in finance, in education, in media etc. and jews represent more than 40% of the wealth held by the top 1% despite being only 1.8% of the total population, hence why Holla Forums names the jew and intends upon their removal, they are consistently found leading and funding SJW movements and promoting mass immigration and miscegenation despite the opposite stance on immigration and miscegenation within their own state of Israel. That is how I would summarize Holla Forumss action plan - what is the short handed definition of what Leftypol seeks to achieve?

I see a lot of assumptions and projecting but very little science.

The 1% represent 100% of the wealth held by the 1%.
100% of all bourgeois are bourgeois.
Instead of replacing [x]% of the 1% with another demographic and perpetuating the problem, the goal is to remove the systems of exploitation that allow such massive wealth inequality to arise, these problems are inherent to the structures in place, unlike Holla Forums we seek to actually replace private property, the state, and capitalism, with collective property, stateless communes, and socialism.

what french philosophers ?

Both the Marxist and the Nazi analysis of the world is flawed because it's monocausal. To the standard Marxist, everything is about class, and he projects a non-existent unity onto the working class. To him, all problems will go away if we just overthrow the rich. The Hitlerite Nazi blames the Jews for everything and thinks that economic systems do not matter, only that ethnic conflicts do.

My view is that finance capitalism is the foremost destructive force in the world, and that it overlaps significantly with Jewish ethnic activism - but the two are not synonymous. On one hand, finance capitalism is bigger than the Jews, and would continue to exist in the same exploitative way, even if all Jews were to die tomorrow. It is a system that has short-term profit as its only motive and the way to maximize short-term profit is to maximize exploitation and destroy the autonomy of the consumer. This is why millions of foreigners have been imported into the West since the end of WWII: they form an underclass and destroy the societal trust within Western nations. The consequences of this are twofold: As a nation loses its coherence, its ability to resist exploitation is lost, and because the natives direct their anger at the Third Worlders, they do not direct it at the capitalist class that was instrumental in bringing them in.

This is the logical consequence of this system, regardless of who participates in it. If any CEO has moral qualms, he is replaced with another one who doesn't.

Distinct from, but related to, this is the ethnic activism of Jews. Jews have consistently formed enclaves and practiced an in-group/out-group mentality throughout history. This would be reason enough to hate them, as they almost never participate gainfully in the economic life of their host nations but rather economically victimize them (via usury, fraud, slum lording, outright organized crime), but the real problem is their consistent treachery.

Predictably, their behavior begets animosity from their host nations, so their culture adopted the strategy of neutering their hosts. This can take the form of outright treason (such as when Jews in Iberia betrayed their Christian rulers to the conquering Moors), but more often, they attempt to destroy the cohesion of the host society by advocating for universalist ideologies and immigration. It is not hard to see why: if a society's identity isn't founded on common lineage but rather on "values", anyone can participate, Jews included. In the US, for example, it was Jewish poet Emma Lazarus who created the "Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free" poem on the Statue of Liberty, and it was Jews who pushed the meme that America was "a nation of immigrants". The USA was actually founded as a WASP colony, yet the notion of "America" was universalized into some mish-mash about freedom and free speech and tolerance. The country has been robbed of its original European identity and now we have absurd but sincerely used terms like "Somali-Americans", "Arab-Americans" and "Chinese-Americans". If a society is just a mish-mash of various ethnicities bound together by a threadbare string of "values", then Jews, as just another minority, are in no danger of being persecutes for their tribalistic and anti-social behavior.

And I haven't even touched on their political subversion! No elected politician in the entire USA dares criticize Israel in any way whatsoever. For over 50 years now, Jews have controlled the Republican party through the Neocons led the country into one war after another on Israel's behalf. Neocons destroyed Iraq, they prop up the Saudi Regime, destroyed Lybia, are attempting to destroy Syria, and want to go to war against Iran. Why? Is doing so in America's interest - the country whose citizens they ostensibly are? It is because it is in Israel's interest. These people conveniently found the light when the Democratic party stopped being quite rabidly enthusiastic about Israel, and who, unsurprisingly, constantly tout that America is "a nation of immigrants" whose core value is "tolerance".

In summary: Jewish ethnic activism was bad enough before 1948, when they'd try to undermine all nations with universalistic ideologies, but since the founding of Israel, they have become hypocrites as well: almost unanimous loyalty for their ethnonationalist state and ethnopluralist hodgepodge for the rest of the world.

I would posit that these systems are created by the Jewish manipulation of the monetary system, usury and fiat currency at their core creating an impossible, and every widening gap between the "true wealth" which is available and the amount of debt that has been accrued. Any sort of interest required on a payment means the requirement of money to be paid that did not exist before, in order to sustain such a system it must constantly expand like a cancer and create new debt slaves as it goes. Addressing this problem would address almost every other problem it creates

Your mistake lies in assuming that the Jews will stop their shenanigans if your get rid of the owner class. They would be assholes even if they weren't rich.

Those systems, created by whoever, are called capitalism, private property, and the state.

Powerless assholes, like you, and us.

free and equal trade should always be permitted, however usury and inflation and all of these things should not, they only create problems and a bubble that will inevitably burst

What did you expect?

That's not what those things are, it's simple economics.

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I wouldn't go that far. There are a fair few cancerous SJWs here too.

That's starting to change because faggots won't let go of feminism and intersectionality. Also we have a lot of redditards that forgot that reddit dumped them.

"Jews" are just like other people and most of them are normal people (if with a culture which encourages hard work and skepticism) - it's merely historical coincidence that they ended up that way because they were the only people allowed to do moneylending in the Middle Ages.
That's all assuming that the claims about Jews being 40% of the top 1% are even true (which I highly doubt).

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Like you said, they are an infection. Pretentious postmodern liberals that literally cannot tolerate the idea of others having different opinions.

literally everyone is a TERF to these people. Don't worry about it.

I can see why it's noteworthy here though, since even we generally agree that TERFs are even worse than regular idpolers.

Gas yourself schlomo

How will leftypol recover?

the fuck is terf?
i swear, every day theres a new term or word i dont know. i still dont know what dabbing is.
its not like im getting old, this shits just happening faster and faster

Not an argument, goy

Don't bother, it's useless knowledge. Just keep doing what you doing.

the problem is when people run circles around me because theyre speaking a new language. i cant have a meaningful conversation or even argument like that

It's a conscious strategy of the idpol deviationists, inherited from the pomo movement. If you make up your own words, it's a lot easier to claim victory when your opponent doesn't understand you, even though you were actually in the wrong.

Don't fucking bother, those people are retards. but ok, TERF means Trans Exclusionary Radical Feminists. It's used to call feminists who don't liek transgender people and say they are mentaly ill and need treatment.
Dabbing is pop culture from USA it's a dance move originated from some awful trap song, which they many famous athletes started to make.
See? Didn't i tell you it's useless knowledge.

Trapo is aight

wow, i thought you were teasing me. this is awful but thank you for humoring me

That would be a nice thought, but unfortunately, the stereotypical Jewish mentality reaches back much further. We have records from the Sassanids talking about how the Jews regarded themselves as superior to any other people, and there are the provisions in Leviticus and Deuteronomy about not defrauding your own people - but it's fine to lend at interest to the goyim.

The issue is not a straightforwardly economic, but also a cultural one. For a full account of Jewish shenanigans, see The Culture of Critique by Kevin MacDonald (also Separation and its Discontents and A People That Shall Dwell Alone).

Trans-exclusionary radical feminism. It's the brand of feminism that hasn't caved to the blatantly false claim that identifying as a woman makes you one.

Up until about two weeks ago that might have been true. Now this place isn't even safe from the retardation.

and what exactly has changed oh nazbol one

You're beyond retarded, I want to know how you jumped to that conclusion.

idk i just read the new political catgirls comic

To be fair, I don't blame you, they're probably the biggest offender at shitting up the board right now

This is literally the worst thread.

Whats with the Holla Forums hating marginalized groups like autistic people?

Check your Neurotypical muh privilege brosocialists scum!

REEEEEEEEE

[Autistic screeching]

You literally just got "Hey I'm austistic, I really don't like it when you use autistic as an insult" and started REEing about how you should be able to post like you're on leftypol everywhere.

Yep

actual autistic screeching

Yeah and if you keep breathing too loud the "nazi big bad brother" will eliminate you or send you to super special cnocentration camp…

nigga realy ?

I don't hate autists, I just hate myself, who happens to be an autist. :^)

Almonds: activated

Well, that totally ain't a false equivalency…

I never said either was bad, in fact there's literally nothing wrong with White Supremacy.

being a leftist that doesn't care about the disabled just makes you politically confused. leftism is SJW moralfaggotry at its foundation. if you're just a broke egofag that only wants to kill rich people and take over the government, identify your ideology as that, not leftism. leftism concerns it's self with the well being of the downtrodden and the abolition of social injustice weather that be based on class, race, gender, "gender", mental state, species, or nationality.
and before you try some ad-hominem bullshit, i don't identify as a leftist anyway

No shit…

late nite chans have a special grade of autism

i'm /autist/ and i hate it. i hate everything about it. i hate the shit i've received all my life as a result of it.

yet, i have no problem calling /pol autistic. because they are. it's not a nice condition.

>>>Holla Forums

fucking ableist scum