New to socialist theory here

New to socialist theory here.
My liberal friends always ask me "socialism sounds nice, but how would you deal with lazy people under this system?" or something along these lines, and I never know what to answer them. Can a comrade provide some help?
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We don't deal with lazy people, lazy people must deal with us

That would have to depend on why they're lazy, going from a person to person case. People don't just decide to be lazy, there's something causing them to be that way that can be treated.

The chapter "objections" in The Conquest of Bread goes into this. Even if you are not an anarchist, its a very good chapter.

Usually I tell them that people are lazy because they find work under capitalism to be unsatisfying and unfulfilling, and that this wouldn't be the case under socialism. However, what they usually say to that is "then, why would someone choose to be a garbageman?"

A) people are lazy because alienation.
B) we strive for less work, more automation.
C) IMO, X hours mandatory work and then do whatever you want.

If people would rather live in their own garbage than deal with it then just let them. You don't really need incentives to eliminate the smell of trash around you.

Tell them their wrong and quote Lenin, "To each according to his contribution"

Cause someone has to do it and if you're not suitable for anything better, and we haven't automated the collection yet, you do it?

Also, I'm pretty sure there are people who like doing it.

Not sure if USSR medal awarding system would work, though…

he who does not work, neither shall he eat - lenin

You can offer a garbageman to work much less hours or you can give them labour vouchers as an incentive.


It's the meritocracy meme. It implies that everyone on capitalism is working hard for their position. Complete bullshit, there are tons of people doing the bare minimum (and hell, flat out sabotaging in exchange for money) in the highest positions of government and private industry.


Lazy people will still have to work they will just do a shit job like they are doing today.

In Belarus, they have a law taxing people who don't have a job (or just don't want to work) due to the massive excess of jobs.

Belarus has less than 1% unemplomnet.

Based Lukashenko does it agian!

Because liberals can't grasp the simple fact that socialist ideology intends to end the one class of people who don't work, the bourg.

How do I go to Belarus?

Its hard as fuck to get in.

But its a Tankie heaven.

Capitalism is shit

so you're saying that niggers are lazy because of alienation and not because they are provided everything by the government? If they were expected to provide for themselves it would be mass chaos.

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This?


What does the gov provide niggers?
You have any infografs for that claim, pol?

Why can't everyone take their own damn garbage to the dump?

What I wanna know is how do you have a society without a social hierarchy. How the fuck do you plan on abolishing the state but keep a society and remove hierarchy any society with a hierarchy and laws in place to ensure the society runs smoothly is a state.

What happens with the garbage dump? Do you think the garbage is just going to magically disappear?

If you don't work you don't eat. It's as simple as that.


Garbage is much less of a problem when you don't live in a culture that revolves around endless consumption of commodities and people's lifestyles will have to change because right now we don't know what to do with all our trash other than burning it or dumping it in Africa and letting the proles dig through it for valuables and recyclables. And there is a natural incentive for not living in your own shit. There is always a bunch of unpleasant stuff that needs to get done in order for people to live and capitalism makes those unpleasant jobs into utter hell for those unfortunate enough to have to do them. Capitalism exacerbates the problems more than it solves it.

1 in 3 on food stamps

Do you think that's what garbage men do? You fuck.

Yes? In my city the public garbage removal institution runs the junk yards and garbage furnaces as well

Pretty sure that's the case everywhere in the world

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It's not like we're really desperate enough to save food anyways.

Total number of Americans on welfare 110,489,000
Total number of Americans on food stamps 41,700,000
Total number of Americans on unemployment insurance 10,200,000
Percent of the US population on welfare 35.4 %
Total government spending on welfare annually (not including food stamps or unemployment) $131,900,000,000
Welfare Demographics
Percent of recipients who are white 38.8 %
Percent of recipients who are black 39.8 %
Percent of recipients who are Hispanic 15.7 %
Percent of recipients who are Asian 2.4 %
Percent of recipients who are Other”—Source: US Department of Health and Human Services, U.S. Department of Commerce, CATO Institute, Research Date: January 14th, 2015
Now, don’t forget that blacks make up 12.6% of the population in America.
“- 11,400,000 people are on Welfare
-38.8 % white:
-39.8 % black:
“According to- US population: 313,544,041
– White: 72.4%: 227,005,885
– Black: 12.6%: 39,506,549
Math:
Whites: 11.661,000 / 227,005,885 * 100 = 5.13%
Blacks: 11,362,000 / 39,506,549 * 100 = 28.75%”—Department of Commerce, Research Date: January 14th, 2015

The same exact people who pick it up from your yard?