His basic message is that economics and all the bread and butter issues of traditional left wing politics have to be put on the back burner or abandoned entirely until we end racism and sexism. (Any actual substantive policy proposals for doing this are, of course, conspicuously absent.)
American politics should simply be a race and gender war with the (villain) "white males" one one side and the (heroes) "marginalized groups" on the other. He presumes "we" will win this war in the end because the "hero" groups are growing in number.
Not only will this fail electorally - as it did in 2016 - it tears at the very fabric of the country.
Isn't this the same guy who was masturbating to the thought of coal miners dying after the election?
Easton Young
Slap the faggots on this board that complain when you say liberals and Democrats aren't leftist because the majority of fuckwits in America would disagree.
Top of the picture is true, bottom I have never seen.
Nolan Wood
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Justin Walker
a sware on mi mum al smack u in da gabber m8
Brody Campbell
Liberalism is the primary enemy of socialism. It makes sense that we would dogpile on liberals when they fuck up. Supporting liberals in order to spite reactionaries is a waste of fucking energy and time.
Andrew Fisher
Real question is, how can you be left and not be racist? The original left of the French were highly racist. Marx, who essentially created the modern left himself was racist. So what's the problem here? Nothing. The matter is leftism has never had anything to do with being anti-racist or racist or race anything. It's about being against that monarchs and nobles and the bourgeois who trample the proletariat and no bourgeois will be spared even if they are whatnot "of colour". As for the millionaire that take joy at the death of prole miners, this is the same old game. They distract the left with idpol so that we never go after the likes of him himself. Give up those millions, boyo.(The COINTELPRO menace is real)
Jaxson Adams
Post proof of bottom half.
Justin White
lol didnt read
Noah Lopez
Are you for real? Holla Forums defends reactionaries all the time because they also happen to be 'proles', they're doing it right now. You must have arrived a day ago if you've never experienced Holla Forums's reactionary bumpkin defending.
Xavier Smith
so you don't mean "conservatives" per se. You mean people with no money and no power, who happen to have reactionary or conservative views?
Logan Torres
>>>/gulag/
Jacob Clark
He's just being retarded on purpose. Probably butthurt he got laughed at for being a liberal faggot in another thread.
Sebastian Cruz
show us one example. And no, this thread doesn't count.
Kevin Wood
If the Chapo thread is anything to go by most Leftists don't really disagree with idpol bullshit, they just disagree with idpol bullshit coming from "liberals" - if a "liberal" made the comments Christman did it would've been dismissed by this board as just Liberal Idpol 101, but since Christman is /ourguy/ "Well yeah, he actually has a point that 'prime television' is just ugh, straight white male problems"
Joseph Hall
Well yes, not all conservatives, obviously no one's defending business owners wanting tax cuts. It's just being poor doesn't make you not a counter-revolutionary. I don't see why Holla Forums shits on liberals of all types relentlessly, a lot of whom might be young people who probably work in retail or something with a similar case of disillusionment as rural republican voters and the like, where in the case of working people voting republican, people try to come up with all kinds of excuses and defenses. I just don't understand the double standard.
And there it is right on cue, relentless defending reactionary, republican idiots. Why?
Jonathan Butler
Care to provide an example, upset liberal guy?
Luis Bennett
I hope you realise you're doing nothing but proving the image right lmao
Other than right now in this thread I could probably find you a million examples if leftypol/ had an archive.
Eli Jackson
Just tell me a story.
Elijah Hernandez
Never change Holla Forums or do, please change, please.
Hunter Adams
I literally have never seen anyone defend conservatives on here. Defending proles can mean defending people who hold liberal or conservative views sure, but we're not defending the ideologies that they hold.
Tyler Wilson
liberals are super uncool after 8 years of Obama and the failed Hillary crap. Holla Forums are mostly young people that are turned off by this but didn't become opposite idpol far-rightists like Holla Forums. So naturally they're more likely to give a poor conservative christian fundie redneck a pass rather than your average hillary supporting liberal.
Ryan Wright
They did it right here you lying piece of fuck.
Austin Ortiz
that's not what it means. This guy at least got what i meant:
Logan Gray
No, I get what you mean.
Caleb Rodriguez
He's talking about defending people with no money or power, who happen to have conservative views you illiterate fuck. You think when we talk about defending proles we only mean the conservative proles? Preposterous.
Oliver King
Them having no money or power doesn't excuse them. Funny how this doesn't excuse all the liberals you complain about. I agree with you there. Fuck liberals. Now why dickride reactionary scum?
Justin Reed
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Caleb Cruz
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Owen Baker
But yes, you defend both, not just conservatives. Honestly everyone here ask yourself, do you see liberal cringe threads more often than conservative cringe threads? Which ones get more image posts too in your experience?
Angel Johnson
I didn't edit anything out like you did, don't intentionally shift shit around. It's a classic tactic but, here, a picture of what you said.
Sebastian Davis
8ch.net/leftypol/res/1711752.html Front page, also we have a huge amount of right wing cringe threads. Maybe if you didn't have such a strong case of confirmation bias you'd notice.
Nathan Nelson
They're both liberals.
Joshua Cooper
Which is why I see no reason to really defend either.
Joshua Reyes
Kill yourself.
Liam Bell
I don't either. Liberalism is a bourgeois ideology.
Isaiah Green
Why would anyone do something like that?
Easton Torres
Yes it is.
Christian Ward
See
Robert Allen
If you look carefully you can see it's the exact same fucking sentence.
Wyatt Roberts
Defending proles can mean defending people who disagree with you, it's not a difficult concept to understand.
Evan Walker
I didn't remove words though, all the words are there, you can see that, I just brought focus in on some of them.
And then you can see here that I did it in a different way to appease your dainty Holla Forumsack ass.
And now here's where you claimed that this board defends liberals and conservatives as justification for defending people who hold right wing views
There's no real excuse to defend a bunch of spooked retards. Fix them, don't coddle them.
Oliver Sullivan
We aren't defending people because of their views, fuck their conservative views. The picture here says we're defending people BECAUSE they're conservative. You show us a conservative and we'll shit talk them. You tell us that same person is a prole but leave out the conservative part and we'll defend them. They might hold whatever views they hold but it still makes them a prole.
Nolan Phillips
It implies that, and the fact you go on to make the same arguments from the picture sort of make me feel like yes you are making stretches to justify defending conservatives. Like this yeah. They might be a prole but they're still a counter revolutionary.
Charles Moore
In that case we still defend liberals too and the picture is still being dishonest. If a prole is mistreated we don't make sure they hold certain views before we care what happens to them. I have no idea what political leaning the battered passenger on United Airlines was but I definitely defended him. The way you're talking is that we should only defend people who share our groupthink, if you want that then maybe reddit is more to your liking.
Brandon Peterson
When has this board defended liberals? Blanket defending the ruling class doesn't count, when have they specifically defended liberals? You're defending conservatives right now. I in no way hold any sympathy for liberals for the record.
David Harris
Did I say the ruling class? I meant the working class. I just, maybe saying liberals made me think ruling class.
Cameron Martin
Well they're not wrong!😄
Ayden Reed
How am I defending conservatives but not liberals here?
You're using this post to claim I defended conservatives, liberals are first in the sentence but you're conveniently glossing over it.
Sebastian Clark
I should I have specified I meant other than this thread, of course.
Logan Nguyen
The fuck did I just type.
Nathaniel White
In that case still waiting for a thread where we defend conservatives.
Julian Martinez
I would personally say most threads that talk about anti-fascist action would count.
Connor Williams
To get back on the OP point after this diversion… What do people think of Kos's hypothetical about immigration enforcement vs. single-payer.
Kos claims the right answer is obviously to oppose the former and give up the latter. I think it's obviously the opposite. In fact all of the things he lists (sex harassment at work, being profiled by police, etc) pale in comparison to the material harm of imposing a for-profit healthcare system, to the tune of a tens of thousands of preventable deaths annually. How is trump's immigration policies or the other idpol stuff he mentions going to lead to this many deaths?
It's a false choice, but it seems like the obvious answer is to go single-payer.
Luke Sullivan
The guy who punched Richard Spencer was seen as a hero to many here. Pretty sure he's a liberal.
Jaxson White
Well, you sure seem to share their condescension towards poor white people with reactionary views. That kind of snobbery isn't going to anyone to the left.
But what should I expect? The vast majority of black flag and black/silver flag posters are individualist trash.
Adrian Watson
It's not just poor white people with reactionary views. It's everyone with reactionary views.
Dylan Harris
Hate the material conditions causing those views, don't hate the people held hostage by them.
Wyatt Martinez
I'll settle with both.
Ayden Rivera
Where is it you think these reactionaries get the ideas? Why do they deserve hate?
Isaiah Kelly
those coal miners voted for obama lol honestly theyre more oppressed than a project black
Brandon Thomas
I get the whole spectacle blah blah blah shit, I'm just saying, it's not like it excuses them.
Kayden Lewis
So how are they supposed to know any better when all they really know is the spectacle? If you place people in a cave their whole lives they won't know anything about what happens outside of the cave, yet you would hate them for not knowing?
Dylan Peterson
why do libs always talk about this. I still don't really get it. Like is this one of those things that will never be "accomplished" so they can use it as a stick to justify whatever dumb shit they're saying. Do liberals not realize this? Very confusing tbh
Parker Lopez
Yet here we are, class conscious as we are. Just because they've been fed propaganda all their lives doesn't mean they haven't become something worth hating, it's what turned them into something worth hating.
Isaiah Wright
1. american conservatives are liberals in any meaningful sense of the word, so when we criticize libs they fall in that category 2. any conservatives with any meaningful power get absolutely shit on here. if you can find me any thread that brings up the Kochs or Paul Ryan or anyone similar being treated like in part two I'l personally fly over and suck your dick right now
Dominic Foster
i think that's a feature, not a bug. the fact that it will never get accomplished means they can always trot out the argument to shut people up.
But it's also bullshit because not having health insurance or enough money to pay for your cancer treatment without insurance makes you "safe and secure in your daily life"???
The whole thing is just backwards as fuck
Julian Scott
So you look down on those who did not have the access to the education you did that allowed you to have your elevated socially celebrated beliefs?
lol sounds like an anarchist to me
Christopher Hill
That's an incredibly disingenuous summary of that article, and even if it was the article itself got discussed, not jerked off over.
Henry Phillips
I can only speak from my own experience, but my curiosity for science and eventually politics was not my own fault. I grew up in conditions that forced me to become curious and at the same time be able to look at society at a distance, almost separated from it. Not many have lived through the same circumstances I had and I can't hate people just because they didn't, just as they shouldn't hate me for being different.
Mason Reyes
I acknowledge the deterministic truth here. You are not a reactionary though, there's a difference.
Daniel Jackson
Wtf, I love idpol now???
Xavier Hall
If that article was all liberal idpol, why did Vox fall over themselves trying to discredit him for it?
Thomas Perez
Different sides of the same coin.
Dylan Lee
Since when does most of the left agree on economic issues? Even Holla Forums is split on anti- and pro-work.
Thomas Sanchez
The actual left agrees about most economic issues. The real problem here is that the center left in America isn't actually leftist at all.
Dylan Clark
my dad reads this trash. But the central point, he has is that the most important issue today is the safety and security of minorities in America. although he doesn't attempt to prove this and why the insecurity illegal immigrants face is more important than the financial insecurity millions of americans feel being one emergency away from bankruptcy, it's a valid feeling. I can honestly respect someone who feels this way. The problem is he hasn't given one thought about why these problems exist, or how to fix them.
Black people are getting killed by Police. Why and How do we fix it? Kos is too scared to ever ask the Why, and I guess he forgot to ask how. No matter, he stands infront of an army of liberals with the same belief, and if we examine them, we can conclude not one of them really knows how. Lets lay out the potential soluitons a liberal could offer
1. some technocratic adjustment like bodycams to be taken up voluntarily by authorities 2. a brownshirt organization to establish our aims by force. an actual solution, but not one that is viable in any way, nor are liberals preparing such 3. and finally, the preferred solution; nothing. spend all your time complaining about injustice, not to spread awareness or change anything, but to paint yourself as a compassionate alternative to republicans. constantly switching new targets of identity (what are we focusing on now? transgender bathrooms for the
Adrian Sanders
fuck this rigged game
Easton Martin
It doesn't hurt either that Kos doesn't have to worry about whether he'll be able to pay the rent next month or if his kids will have health care. He's in the 1%.
He clearly does not relate to financial security issues or how they harm people. He paints healthcare as secondary to all these things yet that actually kills people too, and in much larger numbers than something like police abuse, or workplace sexual harassment, or Trump's stupid wall.
Ask how many black people die due to lack of adequate health care and the number wrongly shot by police would be a tiny blip next to it. There's just no objective quantification or analysis going on here. It's all appeal to emotion.
And of course he has no solution for any of these things as you say. There isn't a single policy proposed anywhere in his article for any of these things. But we can't address income inequality or health care apparently until all these issues are eliminated first, which he has no idea how to do.
It seems more like the point is not to actually do anything about these issues, but to take offense at them and "call out" racism and sexism. In other words, value signaling and maybe whipping up emotions to get votes.
In the end, it's just an attempt to shut people up about economics and inequality, because people like Kos and the Dem establishment don't want to touch those issues.
Jonathan Martin
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Nathan Ortiz
he's latino so he knows more about this issue than you so you should just go along with what he thinks
Daniel Edwards
You mean dreadlocked trust fund babies, coffeeshop hipsters, artbos and other privilieged white upper middle class assholes who like to say polite platitudes about minorities at dinner parties but in reality have a fiscally conservative mindset and disdain the poor. The only difference is they can't shit on the brown poor because that would be racist so instead they shit on the white poor, even though in reality they think they're better than both. Liberals are simply put porky with a smug, smarmy elitist WASP face. By the way, the reason that kid is working in retail is because his parents cut him off after he decided to drop out of college to go smoke weed in hawaii. Don't worry, he'll come back to his senses and daddy will pull a few strings to get him back into harvard.
Owen Walker
way too obvious bro 1/8
Landon Evans
so are hispanics (and whites, but let's forget them), but no one cares. should that be fixed too? someone or some group is trying to push this emotionally-charged narrative that there is an epidemic of unjustified killings of black men by police (if not a deliberate racist crusade), when the data collected shows the reality of the situation is far more complicated (and not politically correct)
it's not nice that blacks or anyone is getting killed by cops, and personally i don't like police, but this issue is way overemphasised and seemingly used to obfuscate everything else. it's like we're required to drop everything, shift focus, and push every other and more important issue aside because some blacks got killed in an american city somewhere. like i said, it's not nice, but it doesn't deserve more of a spotlight than capitalism, poverty, environment destruction, climate change, war, famine, disease, or a host of other issues that should quickly come to the mind of anyone even remotely politically aware. your point that "the central point, he has is that the most important issue today is the safety and security of minorities in America" is very salient imo
to my mind it's a fetishising of race and a classic example of idpol being used to distract people from more important things
but otherwise i agree with your post's sentiment. sorry to rant
inb4 someone tells me to "go back to Holla Forums"
Noah Ross
go back to /po OH WAIT jk,I think you overstate the case but as a brown guy I do think racism is a serious issue still, I wouldn't want to be around when alt right stormfags decide to go full dylan roof and enact their fantasies of racial cleansing. That being said, I absolutely fucking DESPISE right wing liberals who use idpol to divert away from economics entirely, saying socialism is racist or something. Those people aren't being intellectually honest, they have an agenda of pushing for right wing economic policies under the guise of 'muh idpol', but that doesn't necessarily mean we shouldn't be against racism when it happens, and the racist/alt right does seem to be having a bit of surge at the moment.
latinos are incredibly racist towards everyone else but oh they work illegal jobs so they dont have power so they cant be racist. fuck off there are tons of latinx porkies so fix your own fucking community before whining about whitey
John White
Not latino. However I agree there are plenty of brown and black capitalists, its not like they get a pass or something. With regards to latinos being racist, I'm sure some are but in general I don't see the majority of them being racist. The majority of whites aren't racist either except for alt right stormfags obviously. I don't seriously think the alt right fantasies of killing all the mongrol races will be enacted by any western government, and thats why im even more afraid that when Holla Forums realizes most whites dont share their opinion and never will, they will turn vigilante and go on a terrorist spree like all those other mass shooters
Bentley Jenkins
Most of those people in the lower income brackets are poor POC who have no choice but to vote democrat because the other guys are alt right racist, not white liberals. The white working class went to Trump
Grayson Peterson
actually think Kos is being fascinatingly honest in what he wrote. Not that I believe he actually cares about minorities, but he's also lying to himself about that one. No, I think he's too stupid to be dishonest.
Evan Diaz
whoa dude glad hear you're also worried about those sandnigger terrorists
Nolan Hall
Do you feel compelled to leave these witty zingers everywhere you go on the internet? When was the last time you commented on youtube?
Joshua Bailey
do you really give those kikes any of your information?/ webm or torrent or bust nig
Josiah Adams
It's just the standard of discourse you bring to the table so I assumed you cut your teeth under a Stefan Molyneux video a week or so ago.
Jayden Myers
Holla Forums detected. Obviously islamism is a problem you twat, this isnt fucking reddit. However, there would be no way for the alt right to actually enact their policy of removing all minorities from America without it being violence despite whatever they might say to the contrary. Not to invoke godwins law here, but ethnic cleansing usually begins with just 'moving' people around.Although you probably deny that ever happened.
Jordan Bennett
man you are really fucking spooked by the "alt-right" the truth is that there is no political way forward to resegregate our country so when the real deal financial apocalypse happens we're going to have a good ol' civil war its really out of all of our hands at this point so might as well spend the rest of out time taking it easy (and prepping)
Charles Cox
So you agree, your a right accelerationist waiting for the apocalypse so you can shoot darkie with an AR15
Samuel Clark
no thats just where the future is heading and im wide awake