Swedish society going to shit

Listen to Markus och Malcom

soundcloud.com/markus-och-malcom

yeah listen to a dipshit memer who has a Bordiga facebook backgroun pic

facebook.com/Tinkzorg/photos?lst=100006358302276:647452116:1495997374&source_ref=pb_friends_tl

I cannot understand why is it so hard for leftist parties to understand that they also can take a reasonable stance towards the immigrant crisis.
There's taking in refugees and there's allowing dozens of "refugees" to slip in and wreak havoc.

This is why you don't leave a society in the hands of children

Yeah, it is going to shit, imo our best bet is the autonomous left: Both Syndikalistiska Ungdomsförbundet and Allt åt Alla are platforms for radical left activities. You can ask me anything about SUF since I'm a member

Yeah don't do this

He's not leftcom. He's an autistic 4/pol/kiddie and socdem at best.

The only reasonable stance is welcoming as many immigrants as is environmentally possible and working towards the dissolution of all nation-states.

I rather listen to two memers then whatever retards that try pass for leftists in this country.

See…

I don't want to join an exclusive circle jerk. Nothing against them being ML but they're doing fucking nothing.

Yeah I've listened to this. They bring up some fair points (not all of it) but in the end - What are they doing besides whining on their podcast?

Also pretty fucking weird that one of them is a somewhat regular contributor in a far-right newspaper.

Yeah I like SUF but I'm not really well read on them. Can't say I ever hear much about them.

I can't really find a very active organization that's trying to reach out to people. I mean I'm pretty fucking sure a good left-wing alternative could grow out from rural/rust belt disillusion with the establishment yet they barely have a presence or do anything there and those people still make out a huge portion of Sweden.

Vilket är det bästa sättet att involvera sig med SUF om man inte varit politiskt aktiv? Borde jag göra det öht eller börja någon annanstans?

I WANT AUTISTIC NEWFAGS TO LEAVE!

If this is true as you say, then you must form an organization by yourself. Find communists in your place, try to form an small group which could form a party.

Why shouldn´t I treat it as a serious post? There are "leftist" here that support that notion.

Better yet form a populist/anti-liberal national green party to advocate socialism under the cover of protecting the natural heritage of the nation. think nazbol but with ecofascism

SUF is pretty small right now so we don't make a lot of noise, nor do we actively reach out to people as much as Allt åt Alla does, which is a problem my club is trying to fix. And what you said about the rural belt disillusion is true, I live in a small industrial town where 1/3 votes for Swedish Democrats. A project that would unite the disillusioned youth of the country side to the youth of the city would have tremendous revolutionary potential.

Det bästa sättet att involvera sig är att bara skicka ett meddelande till närmaste klubbs facebooksida! Ingen tidigare kunskap eller erfarenhet är nödvändig och de flesta klubbarna letar alltid nya medlemmar. De allra flesta som går med i SUF är ungdomar som aldrig tidigare varit politiskt aktiva, medans vissa kommer från Ung Vänster etc. Förbundet fungerar lite som en "inkörsport" till autonoma vänstern

My first thought was to shitpost with a suggestion to blame Tumblr for this instead of actually doing anything, but then I read the thread and that's unironically the majority position. Wow.

How is that not a serious position? Arguing for the continued existence of nation-states is decidedly not leftist unless you are a tankie who loves nationalism with a brown face.

You're both fucking retarded. There was a time when such posters were completely ignored, which is saying something given how mad for the dick leftypol is bait-wise.

1. Find people who likewise are intimidated by the right shift in the nation.
2. Go around making news protesting them and beating them up when you can; the goal is producing aimed ripples in the perception of the issue as something that's actually happening in the society as opposed to a natural occurrence.
3. ???
4. Profit?

i honestly don't think the situation is salvageable at this point.
if you don't want to take side in the upcoming shitstorm (like myself) i would advise you to move elsewhere

Thought about this but I don't know if I'm the guy and I really don't know if it's worth ending up one of a 100 leftist organizations without any influence. Probably the one idea that's most intriguing though.

Yeah I really don't get why people aren't out there. Only fucking SD is out there and gaining ground. How the fuck can't any other political party see this?

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Antifa has historically been quite bad at preventing real fascism from happening. The only cure for fascism is leninism and there aren't any strong ML parties in Europe anymore as far as I am aware.

Yup. Whenever there's a market or event happening the Swedish Democrats are the only ones here handing out leaflets and actually talking to people. Left politicians really need to drop their meme that rural people are ignorant megaracists whom there's no use talking to.

stop

The strange part is that they the Left Party and Social Democrats are still pretty fucking big in these areas compared to their national results. Especially the further north/rust belt you get.

Finns det något ställe för svenska socialister att snacka egentligen?

Inte så vitt jag vet. Vänstertwitter är väl det närmaste man kan komma, även om det är mer en ekokammare än ett diskussionsforum

This is the antithesis. The synthesis is nazbol.

Who cares. Let Sweden burn, they were always a useless country anyway. What's Sweden contribution to the western canon? Oh yes Nobel…Anything else?

you have some sick fantasies

How about our own little swedish action front? I'm a member of SAC right now but it feels sort of pointless when I'm still in school. It would be fun to work with some leftypol comrades in meatspace.

right wing extremism offers people what they want: security

listen, swedes really DO have a different culture from the people coming in, there has never been democracy or secularism in the middle east, from the first day to the last day muslim immigrants have completely different ideas about life
AND THEY ARE NOT ADOPTING SWEDISH CULTURE
they segregate themselves and live with welfare exactly like they lived in mogadishu and mosul and so on….

1) immigration model has failed, and right wingers say this openly
2) immigrants coming in arent doctors and engineers, immigrants coming in cant work, read or write, and they do not know about western liberal democracies or human rights

solution: make some sort of a transitionary period, let immigrants get to know how things are done, let them know that its ok to be secular, that satan isnt tempting them, etc etc
instead of mixing them raw

RIGHT WINGERS ARE CORRECT, THESE CULTURES ARE INCOMPATIBLE

Multiculturalism: why?????????

Why do Swedes need multiculturalism? Common guy doesnt care about ideals or ideologies or anything like that. Common guy cares about peace and quiet, number of stabbings, number of cars set on fire, and number of rapes going on around him.
Before multiculti: these stats were better.
After multiculti: these stats are worse.

I am common guy. I want my mediocre job, and some peace and quiet. I want to do my work and drink some beer and watch movies after.
What do leftists offer me? More rape, more violence, more multiculti.
What do rightists offer me? More peace and quiet.

People care for results. Not theories. Results come first. Theories come second, or last, or they dont even come at all, nobody cares, it was better before immigrants came.

Ok, this might sound crazy, but first, get yourself a armchair…

They are not actual leftists. They are 🍀🍀🍀leftists🍀🍀🍀.

Sweden won't be able to return the "glory days" of the 1960s even if we remove every single immigrant. The collapse started before the current immigration influx.

But yeah, I understand that a nazi isn't capable of thinking.

Well no, but they'd whether the storm a lot better than they would if they didn't remove every single immigrant.

Japan doesn't have to worry about Islamic extremism

Sounds neat, I like it

Things would go the other way once right wing populists start doing more terrorist attacks.

why dont japan and israel have these problems?
multiculturalism is clearly a failure, and is propelling fascism across europe, and i will gladly be joining up because what the hell is my alternative????????

i am a common guy, i dont know that
if they call themselves x i call them x too

Do you guys get paid to mantra post or what. At least engage in discussions, my god

I do have to say that I'm surprised that people would rather go to Europe, instead of matching all over asia, to go to a island.

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ok, tell me why would i, as an average swede, not want to join up nordfront or idk
here's what i want: some god damn peace and quiet
that sums up all of my political goals in life
go

my reasoning so far: these populist/reactionist right wingers look like they want to get rid of multiculturalism, and i too think that multiculturalism has failed me per definition of my political goals, which are peace and quiet

i feel like the leftists have taken me for some sort of a wild ride with one of their experiments, like they created this multicultural paradise i have to deal with all day everyday without me wanting to participate, and that i am paying for it dearly while they keep sitting in their ivory towers safe from it all, in their guarded and walled areas away from the common man

The Japanese economy isn't doing well at all.. It hasn't even recovered from the asset price bubble crash. Stop posting and lurk moar

Thought about killing yourself? Ultimate peace and quiet

I thought Sweden had a pretty hardcore antifa scene?

This is probably the best alternative. If anything to raise the average Autism Level by a few points

This, National revolution is the only revolutionary path left.

How does multiculturalism affect you when you just sit in front of your computer?

A pretty hardcore antifa scene will mean nothing if the far-right actually gets popular support.

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leftists clearly have no viable alternative, they just go around shitting on things without any sort of idea what to do once they shat the bed
and so able bodied young males keep joining up proto fascist regimes
oh well

i had an immigrant throw a brick at my car
not even saying that all immigrants are bad or that the natives/regulars are much better, its just that this happened to me, there's no one to pay the bill, and i keep hearing stories of similar shit ranging from rape to mean looks happening to people everywhere

here's what i actually want: import fucking doctors and engineers, keep the feral ones away
am i being unreasonable?
hell deport OUR OWN feral ones too for fucks sake, being a normal fucking person isnt that fucking hard

Japan is extremely shit both from economic and social perspectives, don't believe their chink cartoon propaganda(incidentally, often pandering to people who broke down due to their terrible societal norms)

The gastarbeiter came to Germany, not became it was bombed and in ruins, but because there was a undersupply of workers, and wages were rising.

user, I'm sorry someone hucked a rock at your shitty car, even though I highly doubt that actually happened.
That's… literally what the state is doing. Do you think it's the Syrian proletariat that can afford to pay off smugglers?

If you think joining neo-nazis is a better alternative then you're fucking delusional. They're nothing but a bunch LARPing losers. If you like them then I don't understand why you don't see any of these leftists cults that exist as an alternative. They're both equally "serious".

Pic related, it's the Swedish nazis training for fights.

Immigrants are in your country because it is falling apart, not the reverse. The succdem gravy train can't roll on forever, and your ruling class needs profit. Even unemployed migrants will buy commodities.

If you don't care about discussing ideas in any sense and only want to flail, you're retarded if you think anyone cares.

And because ultimately the West German government looked the other way because for various reasons it wanted Turkish workers - if Turkish immigration was a "historic inevitability" regardless of form of government or government policies, where was East Germany's Turkish population?

East Germany didn't experience a boom requiring more workers than already lived there. Although, they did have a sizable Vietnamese population.

Reddit pls go

The East German govement wasn't a bourgeois goverment (though they had their own flaws obviously.) They didn't need to import young able bodied foreigners to keep the profit margins of the business class up. Socialism is the only way to protect national culture/identity.

I WAS RIGHT ALL ALONG!!

SOCDEM LEADS TO FASCISM!

THIS IS HORRIBLE!

… seriously though.. We can't actually do anything. This is the 1930s all over again and all we can do is keep trying to fight back on an ideological/influence through "the press" level.
Especially for Sweden, as the south doesn't have that danger anymore, but the north Europa is heading straight there… I say either get ready to be purged and fight the good fight, or abandon ship as soon as you see the fash rising too much.

I genuinly don't think nords have any chance of avoiding going full fascism, the further capitalist crisis goes.

De bästa du kan göra är att gå med i KP och skaffa dig några kommunistiska vänner.

kanske om man vill lajva 1968

kan tillägga att jag har polare som är med där

Om KP lajvade Paris '68 skulle jag gå med i morgon. Känns mer som de tror året är 1917.

Right wing propaganda makes it seem worse than it is.

how exactly does the bourgeoisie benefit from muslims on the dole voting for centre-left parties that increase their taxes and increase the costs of running a company? The non-whites consume less from Western companies (the primary lobbyists), they don't drive down the wages of the expensive position like engineers, technicians etc. The industries they are overrepresented in are taxi drivers, bouncer and few other low skilled positions. Position that our big industries, mostly don't have. G4S is a big security company, but they're not a driving force for anything. How are the bourgeoisie interests served by this?

Sweden unironically sounds like it needs NAZBOL.

I can think of no other effective solution.

By providing an ideological/political outlet which uses radical lingo ("fight the power!") while in actuality being terribly moderate prevents actual radicals from gaining prominence while giving people that invest faith into the moderates an illusion of actually making a difference by the center-left narratives

I feel like I was in the "right is rising" freak out about 18 months ago.

Now I'm all lol it was just neocons back to work as usual.

Also forgot: the moderates' appropriation of radical narratives and lingo also place a lot of overlap within the public eye (which is why people think moderate socdem parties or even outright neoliberal progressive parties are "literally gommies"), which can also lead to radical parties/organizations to be co-opted by moderates