The more I read about the IWW the more it pisses me off, the old IWW during WWI had some balls and did some crazy shit, but it had its fair share of lunatics tho.
The current IWW is just a clusterfuck of idpol idiots and LARPers who do no good but fistfight with skinheads.
The American left is dead. Give it up. The FBI won't allow a left wing movement to exist in the US. It's far too important to global capitalism at the moment.
Curious, where did you get your information?
t. FBI agent
He is probably a Leninst or Tankie. Don't pay too much attention.
The Left is small, weak, and extremely sectarian in the United States.
Was tempted joining the union from reading about them few years ago, but since there is no local branch I ended up following organizers in several cities.
And now I wouldn't join even if they show up in my city tbh
OP speaking, libertarian commie dude.
And I'm against sectarianism within the left, but I think two main factions should be put in check as I find them extremely dangerous. Tankies and Individualist Anarchists.
Where does DSA fall into this?
They are none of the above and they are big tent, or so they say.
The IWW has been effectively dead for 90 years now. Current members are all LARPers by definition.
I don't know much about the DSA to be honest. But I'm not dogmatic, so I think the way to bring justice to the working class is via broad red spectrum from pussy reformers like social democrats such as Bernie, all the way to militant combative anarchist unions such as the CNT. While in the middle is a myriad of socialist parties, of course they would be fighting and call each other classcucks and the other would reply as being too radical, but I think they all need each other to function dynamically
I believe we have a decent number of classcuck social democrats within the Democratic party(Bernie, Warren), The AFL-CIO is weak but it could get stronger if its run by more militant labor movement and stop shilling for Democrats. What we are missing is a smaller red party that could get a handful of seats in congress and a real anarchist syndicalist collective that works as a magnet for fanatics, the IWW simply doesn't fill that role in my opinion.
FBI go home
most anarchists are ancoms I believe
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What about that prison strike they organized recently?
Can someone actually give me a clear description of modern IWW? Why are they said to be idpol liberals?
Because recovering Holla Forumstards think that fighting for immigrant rights is "idpol."
They do alot of stuff, active labor organizing, organizing prisoners. Shit like that. Theirs only a couple thousand of them at the moment though.
false flags or people being dumbfucks
From what I experiences, the part of the problem with the IWW in the contemporary world is that it mainly attracts anarchists, and anarchists unfortunately are usually punk idealist kids. You need quite a few people in the organization with a practical level head to tell them to cut out their bullshit.
That said, my organization is still filled with LARPers, but they are Workerist LARPers (I swear one guy is perpetually cosplaying as a union worker form the 1910s), so they function much better.
How is it not idpol? If you were to fight for the rights of everyone, then wouldn't immigrants be included as well?
Saying all lives matter doesn't mean black lives don't matter.
One thing my IWW does is rally to make the local city a Sanctuary city, how is that 'idpol'
No, organizing legal & illegal immigrants means organizing a class with a different legal status, so I personally don't consider that idpol.
Now, having something like "African People's Caucus" is pure idpol.
It's also the only country where the left succeeding can possibly matter
Left Superstructure's not gonna be able to accomplish much without a Superpower Base
The spend their time mostly organizing prison strikes and demonstrations for the rights of immigrant workers currently. They make posts on social media against imperialism and police brutality. I'm from a New England branch. Tankie shove off and let's see your praxis
Why the focus on illegal immigrants though? How is the homeless population in your city?
so radical, so edgy
What's up with the sex workers union they have, sound stupid and sexist.
Come on girls, join the prostitutes union to be sold as commodity and get exploited by Capitalism yay
fuck off andrea dworkin
iww shits on you
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shame on you
the sex workers union has chat line workers mostly
They don't know how to agitate, make propaganda, or spread theory, a problem that's shared with every other leftist organization.
theyre workers who most unions wont represent because of their legal status. The IWW stand behind all workers.
and you do know?
So, prostitutes shouldn't organize in order to have better living conditions and so on?
Nice logic, neoliberal feminism!
Not necessarily.
Ok, that makes more sense and is at least consistent if their main goal is pursuing workers rights. But how is the homeless population in your city?
yes, hookers should organize and make prostitution legal so more poor women get screwed by predatory capitalism
Suck a fart out of my ass
It's to function as a way to protect women and men (although mostly women) that need to work in dangerous and illegal professions because of desperate situations. We take no stance on the ethics of legalizing prostitution, although I have my own opinions on how it should be handled. We just want to protect people in situations in which they can't involve government figures and traditional unions in. Similarly to how we protect undocumented immigrants
The homeless aren't workers so they're not really within a union's sphere.
The IWW is a labor union, but the GDC, whihc is part of the IWW does more activity shit, such as things with homeless people.
Wow maybe you're right bro
Okay, so your argument is "giving them better and safer working conditions without taking a moral stance regardless type of labor". I think you would agree with me that you wouldn't agree if I used the same argument for armed security contractors
Prostitutes hurts nobody, armed security contractors do. It's the pimps and the johns that hurt them. Come back with a better argument you petty moralist. If you want my stance, if I had to be a reformist and work within our current framework then prostitution would be decriminalized but pimping would remain illegal. Prostitutes would only be allowed to be independents. My state used to have a behind closed door law that did some of this, but the spooked religious right abolished it
In Italy the autonomists were actively organizing the homeless.
I've noticed in most sanctuary cities there is usually a huge homeless population. Sometimes it seems like immigrants are being pandered to and fawned over while the local homeless get ignored.
Every major city in America (especially the more liberal and successful ones) has a "homelessness problem." That's what happens when housing is treated as a commodity.
homeless people, by definition don't live anywhere an thus cant be local to anything.
Try talking to a homeless person sometime, the vast majority would disagree with that.
its a matter of definition. What exactly is your point here? Are you for an "they don't organize the homeless, therefore they're shit" approach? As if every activist organization has the manpower and resources to tackles all the problems of capitalism in this country. You know what you could do? approach them or an organization and say "these homeless people need help" instead of bitching about it on here.
I just see it more as a matter of reality. They can still be local and live somewhere without having a house.
I'm sure at least a few things got their start as bitching on the chans.
True, but I think the bigger problem is people being treated as the commodity.