Is Islam an actual threat to the west or is that just Holla Forums nonsense?

This, reminder that China's Greatest explorer, Zhang He, was a muslim.

The obvious exceptions being both the ongoing Islamic insurgency in the east of China and the violent means that resulted in the Islamic tribesmen inhabiting the area in the first place.

fuck off turbo autist

Can you fucking kill yourself already

Even your average Muslim holds believes and opinions that are way more reactionary than the average westerner, let alone your average and radical leftist.

Like Naziism it is an ideology that regards itself in a perpetual state of war with an outside group.

It is a threat to everything that is not Islam.

fucking hell what happened to this place. are people not allowed to have non approved opinions any more?

Are these opinions reactionary and run contrary to everything socialism represents? Then the answer is no.

What do you mean? You won't find that rabid apologism on this board that is so overwhelming in pretty much any other leftist space on the Internet since it is rooted in identity politics and opposing identarian leftism is part of the raison d'être of this place.

Strong Islamic movements could be but not Islam as such. Islam is just spooks. But things like the AKP (Turkey), Hezbollah, the Islamic Republic, IS, those are generally big enough to be an issue, and very closely linked to Islamic belief.

All to say that in principle, your muslim neighbor is not a bad neighbor because he is a muslim. Now if he is an AKP supporter, it's a different issue…

Yeah but you're talking about one specific subset nowadays of Muslims. And it's not exactly their *religion* that is causing them to rebel against the Han, it's the fact that they feel like their nation has been occupied and is being ethnically cleansed. It's not religious jihad.

Plus, you have the Han Muslim Chinese population–the Hui–who are peaceful for the most part.

If that were true why China outlawed ninjas in Xinjiang? And I don't see how their bombings are quiet.
Islam is a religion AND government system whose goal is to dominate the world. That makes it incompatible with all other religions and systems. If you like it, great, move to one of their many countries, Saudi Arabia even pays a lot of money if you have the necessary skills and don't stir trouble.

Yeah, but the population transfers (mostly for economic reasons I'd bet) of Han to the region is causing some real xenophobia among the natives. It's not like we don't do that. That's what causes their insurgency.

The Earth is already overpopulated. Muslim/African/Hispanic birthrates are way too high. These countries also have almost no consideration for the environment and are notorious for pollution and contamination. This is going to counteract any efforts done by the west to save the planet whether it's the strict one child policy or tax incentives to reduce carbon emissions in North America or Europe. Basically they just shit on any plans or actions done by the West to save the planet's environment for future generations.

It's really not, resources are just poorly distributed

t. ecology labor aristocrat
read zizek and stop posting

If you lot were seals, I'm sure you would be posting something along the lines of '#NotAllSharks'.

The Muslims of eastern china are just one example.
Even if one were to confine its self to only discussing modern conflicts resulting from Islam, the list is almost endless:

The Islamic Insurgency in the Philippines, The Islamic Insurgency in India, The Islamic Insurgency in the Caucasus, Islamic State in general, The Islamic Insurgency in eastern China, The Islamic Insurgency in Israel and the Islamic terror campaign in Europe/North America.

That is only modern conflict resulting from Islam.
One can only weep if you were to look at what Islam has done to most of the peoples it has come into contact with.
In terms of damage done to our species, Islam is a far worse ideology then even Nazism could ever hope to be.

Technocrats, everybody.

Long NOTED, I was speaking mostly in the past tense. And well, I did say "unless they're being persecuted" and whether you agree or not the Uyghers certainly PERCEIVE themselves as being persecuted.
(Although as noted there's also the Hui muslim population outside of Xinjiang, is the chinese government thought that islam was a problem wouldn't they be banning things throughout the entire country rather than in Xinjiang?)

Relativists, everybody.

*western

Yeah, but that's point. I was pointing out the Uyghurs in Xinjiang and western China are mostly fighting for self-determination. It's not about unbelievers vs. believers so much to them as a national ethnic struggle. Blaming it purely on muh Islam is simply wrong.

Islam is an actual threat to the west.
But not because of fanatic muslim terrorists and so on.

It's an actual thread, because a stereotype is being created and promoted of "rapist muslims rampand in Europa", mainly by polack burgers that don't even know where on the map Sweden is. And it's that stereotype that's becoming the new "eternal jew" and feeds the far right that threatens Democracy and so on.

So,
The US is creating a threat in order to keep the people down.

So much for the platonic technocracy.

Islam has really not done much to most people it has come in contact with. Genetic studies generally have borne out that it turns out there was hardly any population displacement, the people in majority islamic countries are majority descended from the same people who lived there before islam showed up and quite often conversion wasn't even particularly forced (after all once they've converted you're not allowed to tax them anymore.)

Look at egypt: "the Egyptians have stayed where they were and remained what they were, although they have changed their language once and their religion twice. In a sense, they constitute the world's oldest nation."

"Look at this regional seperatist/autonomist movement, this regional seperatist/autonomist movement, this regional seperatist/autonomist movement, this islamic movement, this regional seperatist/autonomost movement, this reigional seperatist/autonomost movement, and this islamic movement. Gee islam sure is bad!"

Demographics is destiny.

It's a religion where the majority are barbarians.
Barbarians are an issue for anybody, as are thing similar like bears or a wolf with rabies.
But religion itself is an issue, christians would be a major issue for all sides if they actually followed their book. It's just barbarians are more likely to follow barbaric religious teaching closer. Non barbaric religions are fine, mainly the issue is the ones based off of the god of the jews.

We've had nonstop protests for months now. We're getting better.

lol this

I do apologize.
That was a rather obvious oversight on my part.

Well firstly you do have to accept that the only reason they are there in the first place is due to them violently displacing the non-Muslim prior inhabitants of the region.

Secondly their (Islamic) faith is a major part of their cultural identity and as such a major reason for their campaign of terror.

I think the two best examples of Islamic driven population displacement/eradication would be Persia and Anatolia/Thrace.
True Persians (indo-european, Zoroastrians) are a tiny persecuted minority and Anatolian Greeks are all but gone.

I can only hope you are joking.

Terrorism is a meaningless term these days

Given that they have a relatively unique phenotype that's also noted of being in the region in ancient times i'm pretty sure that's not really what happened.

Your "true persians" are all but gone because the persians converted, not because of population displacement or eradication.
The anatolian greeks are gone because of Ataturk's attempt to create a modern secular nation-state. (And of the population that remains… they're mostly the descendants of anatolian greeks that converted to islam and started speaking turkish. Turks did not enter anatolian in sufficient numbers to accomplish population diplacement or eradication.)

Americans are more likely to be killed by armed toddlers than by Islamic terrorism, and terrorist activity in Europe is actually lower than it was in the 70s when the Basques, RAF, and IRA were running around.

So no, Islam is not a threat to the west.

How dumb do you have to be to look at the first place the Arabs invaded where they continued to speak their native language and go "LOOK AT WHAT THE MUSLIMS DID TO THE NATIVE POPULATION!" The persians continue to speak farsi because they're the same fucking persians they've always been, dipshit.

The West is a threat to Islam more than Islam is a threat to the West. And I'm not talking about imperialism.
If tomorrow Europe were to become a muslim majority region, Islam would change and adapt to the reigning late stage capitalism and just pervert traditional beliefs in less developed countries.

God save us from the closet utilitarians. You try to hide it behind German-transmitted Greeks, but you are in fact just following the teachings of bourgeois Englishmen.

How exactly do you define 'ancient'?
I do hope that you are seriously not seriously suggesting that the modern Islamic, tribal, terroristic peoples of China's west are Tocharians?

Oh please.
The modern 'Iranian' is little more then an Semitic Arab.
Not only is this plainly visible in appearance, but also in religion, culture and language.

True indo-european Persians literally are the victims of genocide at the hands of Islam.
No amount of Islamic apologism and historical revisionism is going to change that fact.

By the time of Ataturk.
Anatolian Greeks had been mostly reduced down to two isolated coastal,minority populations (on the west coast and on the north-east coast).
One of the primary motivators for the Greco-Turkish War was to save these populations from the same persecutions and even genocide that had befallen the Armenians at the hands of Islam.

I'm a rather explicit Utilitarian, thank you very much.

Islamo-communism is the only way to singularity. Read Bordiga.

The tocharians were noted for having red hair in a region where almost nobody has read hair.
The uyghers are noted for having hed hair in a region where almost nobody has red hair.

Pretty fucking obvious a rare red haired population wasn't coincidentally displaced by another entirely separate rare red haired population.

No, that was the "excuse".
The reason was "ottoman empire colapse. Britain wants a protactorate. Greece, you are good protactorate for Britain! You take Smyrna and in a few years, they have referendum and it's yours! Oh, you want to go war? Ok, go. We are here for you!" .. LATER … "Oh, so, Mr Kemal, we see you are in good terms with Lenin.. ..well.. why don't you give up on them commies and we shall let you have a nation state? What? The Greeks? Ah! Don't worry! Let the flee!"

Don't forget, the nation state needs national identity and bourgies, even if that means ethnic cleansing and turning the army into the bourgies, because you killed/exiled all your bourgies for being of a different ethnicity.

Ofcourse, that's how Greece managed to have any sort of functional capitalism, but that's another story.

Islam is a threat to people that are trapped ideologically within it. For example girl who are married off at a young age in arranged marriages or have their genitals mutilated. Also it is spooky as hell in general.

But the real threat comes from the right using Islam as a symbolic idol for the woes for the modern western condition, instead of its actual roots (aka Irish). So in a round about way yes Islam is a cause of crisis in the west, not in of itself but because of the radical right's use of it as a tool to expand their narrative. No Islam is not going to destroy European culture and society like a Houellebecqian nightmare, but the right may actually accomplish the feat.

You know where the word persian comes from? It's "people of/pars/fars" that is to say… Farsi. Yes, they switched religion, but not only did they not particularly take arab culture the arabs even outside of persia absorbed significant elements of persian culture!>>1592955

Because the rest of them had started speaking turkish and converted to islam, not because of a massive extermination campaign.

>naming 'the eternal hibernian'

Now having this admission, I have to ask: why couldn't people achieve the greatest happiness for the greatest number under a Caliphate?

Islam is a threat, yes.
Too many on here try to conflate it with anti-imperialism yet ignore that the leading muslim nations are still imperial powers (Saudi/Qatar/UAE for overt overthrowing and Iran for sponsoring, not to forget the Caucasus and the -stans), often with thinly-veiled slavery, and that for a society to be a target of theirs any actual history or issue with them is not a requirement, only that there are any of them present.

Hopefully yes. Fuck whitey.

Now this is Historical Revisionism taken up to levels not seen since the farce that is the 'sonderweg' theory.

Simply put.
A group of people universally considered extinct for centuries are not responsible for China's problem with Islamic terror.

I wasn't aware of this. I thought Chinese dynasties made wave after wave of colonizing attempts into Central Asia, and finally it (Xinjiang) became a part of China that way. They have more in common with Central Asian people because that's who they are.

People can end up extinct for reasons other than population displacement. The Picts no longer exist but that's because they turned into the people that turned into the scots.
I'm willing to listen though, what's your explanation for the persistent presence of red hair in the tarim basin

Technically both can be true at the same time if the Uyghers displaced the prior inhabitants before in turn being conquered by the Manchu (lol the chinese claim doesn't even come from actual chinese.) and that rule being inherited by modern china.

More like Xinjiang's problem with Chinese terror. Tibet too while we're on the subject.

But indo-european, muslim, are not rare; those are almost all Iranian. Iranians converted, that's something else from population displacement/eradication.

Yeah was pointed out but he refuses to believe that and then points out to the fact that they still speak persian as somehow proving the population was displaced

yeah, but this
no, they're a plague on this Earth and the belief system needs to be purged along with Christianity, Judaism and Materialist Atheism

they were heavily assimilated and were a lot more Aryan looking before the Muslims swept through.

How would you know, have you seen 700AD Iranians?

I think they've always looked like this, mostly. The Indo Aryan migration was itself only a migration of a warrior people settling among and then conquering the city civilizations that surrounded them. The people in those civilizations looked much as the Arabs do, being from the region for longer than the Aryans have been.

Sand niggers will rape all of the women and kill them. They must be eliminated..

quality arguments Holla Forums

No clearly there is nothing at all to be worried about here and it's a simple coincidence that any nation that allows muslims entry end up being the target for terror attacks while even the most muslim-hating nations that have a history with them have no issues thanks to not allowing them in.

artwork mate
No they used to be a lot less Semitic looking. They were mixed with Semites invading from the Levant. The original Aryan Iranians were blue eyed, pale skinned and black haired. That's how all the ancient Aryans (pakis, Persians, North Indians) are depicted.

All religious fundamentalist are a threat to any society tbh
It's just that Islamist are craziest ones around atm

love triumphs fear
if we kill them they win

Heavy assimilation and light irrelevant shiting is not "population displacement."
I mean I think you're overblowing the assimilation but regardless even as we have this argument you're disputing howard scott's basic premise of "the only descendants of the pre-islamic iranians are the remaining zoroastrians"

The white imperialist crusader nations must be punished for their crimes against the Islamic world. They kill more Muslim children daily. The girl deserved it, first worlders are basically kulaks anyway.

t. third worldists

oh, ok I don't care about this anymore.

original Aryan Iranians were definitely lighter skinned and looked much more classically like Punjabi/North Indian types. But, I don't want to defend that faggot's arguments.

It's largely Holla Forums nonsense. More people are killed by far-right 'militias' and skinhead orgs in most western countries than muslims.

wew lad, that's demented "if you are born in X first world location I will kill you for being born in the wrong country motherfucker" tier logic.

Establishing a thousand year buddhist/hindu/taoist syncretic reich?

welcome to third-worldism lel

Hey dumbass, notice that the majority of these didn't occur in the west at all?

soon

Like literally none whatsoever this year?

You're arguing against yourself

I haven't seen that one kek, I just know that third-worldists are like the poverty version of Neocons.

no we've had multiple radicalized murders of police and security forces and also people being run over by buses you stupid fuck

Not in the wikipedia article. So at the very least the wikipedia article was a bad thing to cite.

Sources pls :3

Also: Cops are the armed vanguard of the bourgeois classes, their deaths are to be celebrated regardless of the ideology of the perpetrator.

To say otherwise is to be a traitor to your people.

this. we should be glad these dumb fucks are doing our dirty work by bringing down the borgy regime

The way 'islamic' countries are now is what happens when the right takes power. Afghanistan was a tolerant secular society where women's rights were guaranteed until (with assist from US) the local religious right wingers and Holla Forums types took over, gave out a bunch of helicopter rides, and brought God back into public schools.

(Afghanistan in the 50s and 60s) imgur.com/a/m1LAs?gallery

Islamism is a threat to western ideals but Islam, Christianity and Judaism is just a threat to intelligence.

Like any spook, Islamism is in the superstructure, and as the Soviets demonstrated, you can't alter the superstructure directly. You can't tell people to stop believing any more than you can create Utopia by decree. You have to alter the basis, and the changes will propagate to the superstructure.

wtf i love soviet imperialism now

that wasn't me, but the person is still wrong and an idiot

>Sources pls :3
go back to reddit, you idiot
sometimes they're just protecting the community because the community is retarded and helpless and never bothered to establish self-defense and security as basic knowledge to pass down and porky/the State seized on this. So functionally they are protecting idiots (like you) from psychopaths (like Muslim extremists or gang bangers).
disgusting, you are falling into a dark place
repulsive swine

The sad thing is, the Soviet puppet government was the best thing to happen to that place in centuries.

neil degrass tyson pls get out

Islamic radicalism is a side effect of the Western world's continued presence in the MENA region, which has become necessary to maintain the international economy. The US actively eggs it on whenever it's convenient so they don't run out of excuses.

All they do is hand out traffic tickets, police are not and have never been obligated to actually help anyone. It's just more comforting to imagine a sense of public safety than to acknowledge the fact that if someone wants to seriously harm you, they can.

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retard

I don't know. Why don't you ask what happened to all the Buddhists in India, the Zoroastrians in Persia, etc etc. No, Islam is never a threat to anyone. I hope we all get to stone women to death one day for reasons that go against western values, which are spooks of course. Socialism, communism, all these western invented spooks must be crushed to be made way for great Islam.

Class is a spook too. Does that mean it doesn't matter?

Retarded american. Has you country developped any culture you filthy cunt? ahahaha

a threat, but a much smaller one than the west its self

Islam is a threat to everything and everyone.

Including Islam.

dope fits though

it's just Holla Forums nonsense