The dream is collapsing

Unless you tell them 'le whitey is holding you back, you're not going to get anywhere' I can't see how thats true strictly speaking. Capital does a good job of recruiting talent and coopting folks from various groups, the obvious weakness is there are never enough upper-level management jobs to go around of course.

Except that doesn't work because even if they spend their entire lives working minimum wage jobs they are usually able to live a much better life than they could have ever dreamed of having back home (courtesy of imperialism of course.) The immigrants are not going to save westerners from capitalism. Liberals know this which is why they are so obsessed with it.

Is not that simple. The material conditions of those third world countries makes them good to become industrial paradises, low wages, facilities to build a factory anywhere, no environmental restrictions etc. So the first world countries can move their factories there, meanwhile the immigrants are hired for even lower wages to do heavy work there. Pretty much all latin american countries are exploited by America or China. It is a win win situation for them Besides if this countries do a revolution Pinochet 2.0 will be installed by America to make sure capitalism reins. At best all they can do is get a Social Democrats like Lenin Moreno, Lula or Mujica and get some social programs before they get replaced by a conservative.

Personally I think the revolution must happen in America first, if so the rest for the continent will follow.

Yes, its an avant-garde edge of capitalist expansion. Neoliberals have a lot of data showing that immigration contributes to capitalist expansion, immigrants are more likely to be entrepreneurs etc. that's why they support it.

The Anglo-settler nations all had unprecedented economic booms for their time thanks to the effect of immigration and rapid demographic growth. Its obvious that the Anglo-capitalists, who are typically the most neoliberal, understand this.

The question is what do we do about it? If the capitalists are going to bring immigrants in no matter whether its Trump or Clinton to help split the working class then we'd better look out for each other and fight together. At least thats the ideal approach.

Brazil seems like a good candidate because its the weakest imperialist or sub-imperialist whatever with claws in the Western hemisphere and its undergoing immense turmoil.

Brazil is a Chinese colony tbh and they have a super conservative president atm.

This board is just Holla Forums with a re-skin.

This.

Another thing I want to point out the wall and the mass deportations in my opinion have more to do with people being scare of seeing their cities becoming Cali more than anything.

Take in mind latinos are mostly mestizo, catholic and they speak spanish. Is like the nightmare of the WASPs, latinos are basically Italians 2.0

Yeah man, let's allow conservative (economically speaking) immigrants into western countries so that they can help reinforce the established order. I mean who wants a revolution anyways?

Fuck off hobbyist

Where have I heard this before?

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Yeah. And what hope do we have with that

You know what acceleration is?

Things getting worse is good for us. Trump is unwittingly destroying American ideology.

Also, yes, unironic nazbols are just hammer and sickle Nazis.

A bit of a correction there m8. Things getting worse faster is good for us. Things are going to get worse regardless. Capitalism must collapse, after all, but we're on a race against the clock when you consider global warming and increasing automation.

This, tbh

Comrades, now is the time to infiltrate the liberal idpol "pro-immigrant" groups and insert some real consciousness into the discourse.

Fuck off.
Maybe if you're a fucking NEET teenager with no real struggle and your leftism is a hobby.

Things are going to get worse either way. Every system must collapse before the next one takes hold. This is obvious. Would you rather wait for global warming to get worse, or would you rather like to get this over with sooner? This is like a band-aid coming off. It should happen quickly.

I agree in principle, but… these people grew up in the US. Their lives are being ruined. It's pointless cruelty against them.

People must become disillusioned with the current order and desperate enough to try a new one.

And, as the other poster said, things are going to get worse regardless, as is the nature of capitalism.

their criminals, I wouldnt want them near my children if the law means nothing to them.

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because right now native workers are widely known for their revolutionary socialist stance on labor relations right

How cucked by ideology can you be?

I agree with this. I think Euros should be letting conservative muslims immigrants reduces the chance of revolution, but latino immigrants are honestly less class-cucked then your average burger.

shouldn't be letting in conservative muslim immigrants as it reduces the chance of revolution*

I can understand the argument, and I'm kinda pissed when I see leaflets taped up in the streets advertising the services of a "medium", but if the 5% tops of the population who are immigrants and are this involved in their principles are having an impact on whether or not a "revolution" is about to happen, then you're not anywhere close to a revolution to begin with.

This is incredibly fucked.

and others ITT who are cheering on these deportations are either Holla Forumslite or don't actually understand what's happening/who are DREAMers.

These are young people, who through no fault of their own, were brought to the U.S. by their parents or some other adult. When they apply for DACA and get approved (and thus become "Dreamers") they're simply granted a stay of deportation for 2 years. They can renew that stay, but there is no path to citizenship. Basically, they can work, go to school, serve in the U.S. military, and not be deported as long as they pay taxes commit no crimes. But they'll never be full citizens, they'll never receive full benefits the state grants to citizens. To even be approved you have to prove you've attended school in the U.S., speak English, served in the military, etc. Basically, they've integrated and this is the only home they've ever known.

Deporting them to some shithole they've never even visited before is incredibly barbaric and inhumane. And it's not going to spark muh revolution. As for spreading class consciousness, we can do that with these kids here.

Thanks for the rundown. I think the posts above were perhaps ignorant of the situation

Anything that helps to kill the American dream is good for the left.

But this won't kill the "American dream". These people in particular had no choice in the matter, they certainly weren't "dreaming" about a white picket fence and two SUVs when someone smuggled them into this country. Now the gov wants to drop them off in some bumfuck village in Honduras that they've never even seen.

You're simply barking up the wrong tree. Millions of native-born Americans still will cling to "the American Dream", and so will wealthy immigrants who legally move here.

I suggest we begin impregnating as many latinas as possible so they can stay to raise thier children, while we sit at home and play vidya all day.