Are Mizrahi Jews /ourguys/?

Yes or no?

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Hebrew originally sounded very similar to Arabic.

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Speaking as a Jew who is 1/2 Mizrachi I can say this is all demonstrably false. Mizrachim in Israel are notoriously right-wing, see: Shas Party.

Nonsense. Where are you getting this idea?

That's like saying blacks in America are still living off Native American land. Of course they are but the circumstances are entirely different.

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no, it's not like that at all. these people aren't former slaves, they are part of the same ethnic group imposing a violent ethnostate, they are persecuted primarily on religious grounds by the zionist militaristic state because their religion forbids them from soldiering/killing, they are active participants in the zionist states 'free land for jewish thieves' programs. and the people they helped destroy live in a giant prison next to them.

so, nothing like what you said you fucking retard.

i think OP is the same guy on Holla Forums who's shit-stirring the pot trying to get support for Hezbollah and instead is getting a shitstorm of flak for being muzzie
so hes shit stirring here too trying to get you to react

Jews aren't a race. They're a religion.

Back when Israel was first established Mizrachim did most of the shit-tier jobs like construction, draining the swamps, etc. I have plenty of stories from my grandfather of how his parents were treated like garbage when they migrated from Iraq. Most Mizrachim came to Israel dirt poor, compared to many Ashkenazim who were much better off financially. A lot of Mizrachi and Sephardi Jews were middle class back in Iraq, Syria, Yemen, Egypt, Libya, Morocco, etc. but lost everything when Muslim and colonial governments drove them out, hence their status when they arrived in Israel. Racism from Ashkenazim certainly didn't help much either.

Israel is no worse than the US, Australia, or any western imperialist power for that matter. What the IDF does to Palestinians the cops do to black people in American ghettos. Why single Israel out?

LOL no. Mizrachi Jews were persecuted because of skin color and ethnic origin back in the day but are now nearly as well-off as Ashkenazim. Most Israelis are mixed Ashkenazi-Mizrachi and the distinctions between the two groups is starting to fade. When you speak of Jews refusing to join the army you're speaking of Hareidim, in other words a religious sect, not an ethnic one (also, most Hareidim are Ashkenazi/white).

This is what happens when you write about things you know nothing about.

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They're still benefiting from colonialism.

t. Schlomo Shekelstein

jews and the state of israel disagree

Judaism is the most reactionary religion. Out of every single religion out there the only one which would allow me to be a capitalist is Judaism. Early Christians were communists. Early Muslims were democratic confederalists. Early Jews were theocratic and draconian as hell.

jews shouldn't be considered human until they abandon their fucked up religion (genital mutilation, animal and possibly human sacrifices, treatment of non-jews like exploitable animals). Even then, they're still mentally fucked up for life from the genital mutilation and religious indoctrination. Possible solutions to the jewish problem- stripping them of their identity or a final solution.

That's where you're wrong, kiddo. There are genetically distinct types of jews listed in this thread (by a jew).

lol wut?

The early "Islamic state" wasn't even a state but a network of cities held together by Muhammad, who was only a symbolic (not political) leader. Rojava is closer to what the original "Islamic state" was than anything which has existed since.

gotta agree with this guy
early muslims were theocratic autocracies
they destroyed the satrap and colonia systems of Roman Africa, Roman Asia and Zoroastrian Persia and replaced them with anarchic wasteland populated with warlords who all bow to a supreme warlord who calls himself Caliph

Untrue. A legitimate caliphate isn't autocratic at all but highly democratic and federalized. The Muslims never had any desire to remain in the lands they conquered, which is why it would be incorrect to equate Islamic expansionism with any kind of modern colonialism.

This is literally the Sam Harris argument, no different than cherrypicking Qur'anic verses to claim "all Muslims are terrorists". And Judaism wouldn't allow you to be a capitalist in the modern sense.

"Benefiting" the same way Mexicans in California benefit from American imperialism.

this sounds like utter garbage.

i wonder why
when you drive camels and goats across the crop land and turn it to dust
castrate every male over the age of 12, enslave all the women and female children as your sex slaves/brides
the boys will be converted by the sword, by indoctrination or if they're lucky centuries of living under oppressive muslim rule

how?
turks and arab caliphates were vipers nests of treachery, men used murder and blackmail to kill and cheat their way to authority
the first things the muslims did when they crossed into Africa was expand the African slave trade phenomenally

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They never had much capital accumulation, so it would be utterly wrong to call the early Muslims imperialist.

reducing everything to transference of capital is utter fallacy
it limits your side to no end
if you mean their economy had no capital accumulation thats true
since the Caliphs of Baghdad horded their treasure and wealth for centuries until Hulagu Khan attacked the heart of islam, found the treasure and had it all spent across the Mongol Empire to improve Asia

Fuck off Schlomo.

Arab Jews are indigenous to the MENA, retard.

The Ashkenazi kikes are /yourguys/. Afterall, they invented leftism/communism/socialism for you goyim!

If they're in Palestine, they're still settler colonials.

and what is with all the foreigners in white countries?? arent they colonialists too robbing the indigineous people of the living space?

Most of those migrants are only in "white countries" BECAUSE of white settler-colonialism in their homelands. You think Algerians want to live in France, a country which has practically instituted its own apartheid system against Muslims?

yes
they want welfare and take France over via Gihad, as nearly all muslims want.

gtfo stormfag

You want to know something? Islam prohibits Muslims from migrating to non-Muslim lands for economic reasons. A real Muslim will never step foot in a country ruled by a non-Muslim.

thats bullshit.
They bend that rule by setting their mind on taking over that country in a few decades. Allah allows Jihad in every way

hes right
if you are against genocide, torture, slavery and usury you MUST hate jews because their religion DEMANDS them to do those things to ALL goyim. and the non religious ones follow that mindset just as well, maybe more

Yawehists will always be our enemies.

Yeah because everybody has the same interpretation and its totally ok to think in collectives and not consider that humans are individualls… spooky shit you have m8

in the same way that Irish are persecuted by Brits
hahahaha no, the average Israeli is a Arab-Jewish and probably has Sephardic or Ashkenazi background
Well no they're not ethnically arabs, they're related to Arabs and other Semites and a large number of them are not even concerned with Arab culture. Also if you looked at the people in the image you posted they don't look like arabs they look like dark skinned Jews. But, then again that wouldn't support this narrative so whatever
All Arabs and Jews regardless if they speak their native tongues are Semites. People from the lands of the Semites are Semites. Ancient Egyptians were semi-Semitic as well as were the Chaldeans and Babylonians and Assyrians. Semites aren't a race they're a language group and series of ethnic groups. Askhenazim and Sephardim are Semites.
its a dead language that was resurrected in the 19th century, it has no correct usage outside of the current one.
Palestine is a Roman province that the Ottoman's conquered and then the British won through conquest. Its not a historical country or land of a particular ethnic group like Judah or Israel or Judea are/were. Palestinians are Caananites and Jews who were converted to Islam. Not a distinct ethnic group that had some nation of the Palestinians which had a king of palestine and a palestinian language. Unlike Israel who had a King of the Jews and spoke Hebrew and had national borders and relations with other nations. Which is what defines a people and nation. There is no Palestinian King David.
That's not Judaism if they reject the Talmud and Kabbalah and if it is its a minor group that has little to do with the religion as it is today. I also don't believe you, you sound like a stupid Arab spouting off propaganda.
Askhenazi jews are the only ethnic group on Earth who have a mandate that their women can divorce a man if he refuses to please them in bed. Not joking its in the fucking Talmud. So I think you're again full of shit
no, this is pure nonsense. The most leftist Jews are Secular Arab-Israelis who are the products of intermarriage. They aren't muslims they hate religion and they like fags and multi-culturalism and welfare.
that's funny because the only black jews are Ethiopians and they're ethnically and racially distinct from Mizrahim. I enjoy how Congoloid Africans think that they share a heritage with Semitic Ethiopids and Arab/Levantine Semites. Its fun. I also like how they think that they're closely related with SE Asians and that they invented Kung-Fu and were simultaneously Greek, Egyptian, SE Asian, Indian and Jewish. Its cool. I didn't know that THEY WUZ EVERYTHANG.
wow so they supported a militant terrorist organization who murdered civilians on the basis of their creed and ethnic group. i'm excited to embrace their culture.

also the person in this thread shilling for "muh beneficent caliphate" isn't totally the OP and they aren't totally a hamas poster.

I dunno but it's fun to be able to go 'GUESS WHICH COUNTRY IS STERILIZING JEWS TO PRESERVE RACIAL HOMOGENEITY.
IT'S NOT THE ONE YOU THINK'

you mean the imperial province of the Roman/British empires that converted ethnically jewish Muslims and straight up Jews lived in for hundreds of years which was never a state and has no history of statesman or kings or diplomacy with other ancient semitic kingdoms? Yeah I too like defending the history of imperial provinces like Western Sahara and Rhodesia which have no historical legitimacy. Its good to play-pretend and shill for based ARAB MUSLIMS. I like to pretend that Muslims are good people every now and then.

And Islam demands Muslims wage global jihad against non-believers. What's your point?

no
literally stormnigger tier lying. "we never intended to occupy eastern france or Poland, we were just spreading the good word of Fascism you guys!"
no, you die if you insult him
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this is ironic for a lot of reasons, but i hate irony so just being upfront this is borderline autistic. The islamic caliphates literally swept through the Arabian peninsula and conquered everything within sight, brutal total warfare was waged against the native populations and all of the native religions and languages were systematically expunged and erased.

To be fair, there was a real Israeli Black Panthers which existed in the 70s.

False

False

Only somewhat.

Yes

So do the Ashkenazim

Yemeni Jews were among the first zionists.

The Talmud was literally written Mesopotamia, the only Jews without the Talmud are Ethiopians.

Depends on time and geography.

Literally the opposite.

Not more than Ashkenazi Jews.

Explain.

jews have only survived through the millenia by working as a collective… against everyone else

Both are shitty desert cults, but the jews have way more political power, while the muslims are just patsys

to be fair since only Ethiopid Semites are vaguely racially black (with a huge amount of Eurasian admixture which is why they look like they do) and they make up like 3% of the Jewish population they're irrelevant to anything to do with Arabs in Israel or Arabs in the levant. Blacks are a significant minority in the Levant and in Israel. Much smaller of a minority than in North Africa or the Americas. I don't care even a tiny bit about black liberation in Israel, because its irrelevant. Its like caring about trans rights in Brunei or gay rights in Siberia. Its fucking nonsensical and a non-sequitor that's meant to disarm me with white-guilt and idpol. I care about Arabs not being bombed with white phosphorus and jews not being forced to join the military. Those are things that matter. The OP mentioned the black panthers because he knows that some of us are big fans of their work, me personally, and that we should automatically associate with a group because it has some ties to another group (which is insane).

There is a shitload of anti-black/anti-Ethiopian racism in Israel though, which proves Israel is a white supremacist state at its core.

jews arent white.
they are an asiatic mixture around a semitic nucleus which hijacked some white genes in the last 300 years

Doesn't matter. Israel was founded as an Ashkenazi ethnostate, which translates to white supremacy.

are you retarded?? ashkenazis are mainly asiatic. just because they have relatively light skin doesnt make them whites. whites are europeans.
its a jewish supremacist state. read Torah and Talmud and you´ll know why

no the British, American and German and Russian elites and populations provided generous support and solidarity during the Zionist period in the late 19th and early 20th centuries. Without British Israelites and Christian Zionism there would be no Israel. Whites were huge in the formation of the Jewish State. All Israeli Jews owe a debt to the UK and US because of that.
The Desert in Syria and Israel isn't the same as it is in Egypt and Saudi Arabia. Different climates, different cultures. They're not both sand dune cults. this is stormnigger logic
they have no political power in the middle east outside of Israel and they have little to no power in China and most of Asia and Africa compared to Arabs. Arabs have massive financial holdings in Africa and America and the UK particularly and their total grasp on wealth borderline rivals that of Jews in a much shorter period of wealth accumulation. The royal families of Jordan, Qatar, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia are fabulously wealthy and some of the richest humans to have ever lived in human history. The Sultans, Mughals and Caliphs of the medieval islamic world were also fabulously wealthy, to levels never before seen by Jews or Whites.
no they know what they're doing and the massive independent media (Al Jezeera) and influence over foreign nations (like Indonesia and Sudan) isn't the mark of helpless idiots

i know they arent helpless idiots, but they are only as powerful as we are because our Zionist Occupied Governments fund muslim terrorism and allow them to immigrate into our country despite their clearly hostile religion

Ashkenazis aren't Asian. they're the descendants of the white people who converted to Judaism during the 7th-8th centuries.

incorrect, oil and minerals are their power. not magical black ops funding that only you and Holla Forums know about (not that there isn't truth to what you said)
I think the people are leaving because this is an opportunity to leave the Arab world and because they don't like living under dictators and this is again an opportunity to leave.

Muslims don't want to migrate to the west. They'd stay in their postcolonial shitholes if they weren't facing tremendous levels of poverty and/or civil war.

For the early Zionists, "Jewish" meant "Ashkenazi". They even forced Mizrahi/Sephardi Jews into their Ashkenazic traditions.

That would be Palestinians.

there's no such thing, they'e arabized jews who were forcibly converted to Islam in the middle ages.

Are you serious?

Reminder:
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He's not wrong.

Who cares if the Palestinians are an "invented people"? Every ethnic group is "invented" to some extent.

How do I get a qt Jewish gf? I suppose I wouldn't mind converting but I would mind being forced to circumcise

You will have to get your dick cut up. It's the most basic requirement.

Just gotta find someone of your social class who holds similar views on the world.

Dated a really nice qt Mizrahi girl for a while, still friends with her. I got her just by being funny, not giving a shit about her race or religion, and having a similar views on sex, lifestyle and interests.

They're Judahized Ba'alists for the most part.

Was she Yemenite or Iraqi/Syrian/North African?

Iranian

West LA?

FYI the idea that Judaism prohibits Zionism is a complete myth.
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the scythians became the alans became the ossetians, names for things changed. (Also probably a good chunk of them were leventine christians whose ancestors hadn't actually been jews in the first place either but rather everyone else in the area as well.)

Yeah, not rich doe.

yes there's no such thing as Palestinians they're Arab Israelis OR Jews who were forcibly converted by Muslim Theocrats. There is no distinct ethnic group of Arab Israelis. They're literally the same gene pool as the native jews, they're not a different group. Their population also increased because of reproducing rapidly

because it matters that its promoted by Arab Fascists, White Supremacists and lunatic authoritarians as an excuse to cleans all the Jews out of Israel. Which is what all the Arab state people want, they want to either kill or deport all the jews. Which is fucking insane and genocidal. The Jews literally just want to assimilate the Arabs, because they conquered them and won. And its also literally their ancestral homeland and the Arabs are actually from the Levant only a small number of them are from Caanan and they're directly related to the native Jews. So therefore there is no reason to support Palestine over Isreal. Either be anti-nationalist or Internationalist OR be a Zionist who supports the Arabs assimilating and being given equal treatment (which is where things are headed inevitably). the palestinian shit is Arab fascists, faggot liberals and LARP'ing lefties. Everyone who understands cause-and-effect knows what would happen if you handed over the military and public institutes to the arabs, they'd cull/cleanse the Jews. Because they're fucking arab fascists and that's what they wanted Hitler to do in the first place. Its all about logic and numbers.

That's called genocide, fucko.

Are you seriously a leftist? Fuck off.

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OP is a literal retard.

Mizrahi Jews don't reject the Talmud nor do they reject Zionism. The Karaites reject the Talmud and there's only 40,000 or so of them left and they're very pro-Zionist.

Muhammad's power was far from "symbolic".

If his leadership was actually concretely defined the shia/sunni split wouldn't even exist

The truth is, we don't know anything about who "Muhammad" actually was, or how the caliphate was actually structured during his time. Everything we know about him comes from the Hadith, which are most likely entirely made up of fabrications.

there was discrimination in the past (iirc the 50s) but now they're integrated with the rest of society
That's fucking wrong, we mostly have foreign Philippines, Russian immigrants, and Arabs working at our construction sites. The rest of the working class jobs are also mostly taken by these groups+Ethiopians. Mizrahis usually run small businesses.
They don't identify like that at all nor have anything left of the language since they're 3rd and 4th generation here, also you're mostly thinking of Yemeni Jews. Mizarhi Jews include any Jews from Arabic speaking lands, such as Iraq and Syria.
No you mong, original Hebrew was a sister language to Phoenician. Mizrahi Jews don't pronounce it any more accurately than ashkenazis, are you seriously implying Yemenis in the south of the Arabian peninsula have a more accurate pronunciation of Hebrew? A lot of them don't even have the Arabic accent anymore because they're 3rd/4th gen anyway.
The story goes like this: Israel was established, Arabs countries had where to shove their Jews, Mizrahis came to Israel.
That's because those streams in Judaism developed in Europe, so what?
And now women in Israel have more rights than in any Arab country.
Our only big left wing party is Zionist Union (succdems), and Mizrahis are known to be more nationalistic than not. It's in fact Tel-Aviv liberals that vote left here.
no one remembers such things here, and definitely not Mizrahis

OP is a huge faggot

Agreed, I'm just saying that clearly a split did happen so something wasn't defined well enough early on

Sunnis and Shias have major theological differences though. Claiming the split was only about politics is like claiming Trotskyists and Stalinists are only at odds due to who should have taken over for Lenin.

Actually, they both developed in the Middle East. The Talmud was literally written in Babylon. The Zohar (book of kabbalah) was written down in Spain, which was part of the Arab Empire at the time. Let's not forget Yitzhak Luria was Sephardic and born in Ottoman Jerusalem.

Not originally, those theological differences developed as a validation post-split (and yes, the history is murky so this is questionable)

Perhaps, but that certainly doesn't mean the caliphate was "democratic confederalist" the way Rojava is today, or that the caliph is just a figurehead with no legitimate centralized authority.

What do Shia Hadith say about Muhammad's role? Sunni and Shia also have different Hadith so their images of Muhammad are bound to be entirely different.

You do know there is a Palestinian bourgeoisie living within Israel's pre-67 borders which lives very well, right? Of course they face racism but their standard of living is higher than Egypt, Lebanon, etc., which makes me think one major motivation the Palestinians have for obtaining a "one state solution" is desire for the Israeli social democratic welfare system.

What would his role have been other than that of a pope-king?

He could have set more clear definitions and mechanisms for the power of his office to work after himself. "This one guy is the messenger of god and therefore in charge" is great for the one person but doesn't follow after all that well

Shit, forgot flag

There are Hadith which claim Muhammad states Ali was his successor. There are likewise Sunni Hadith which state Abu Bakr was his successor.

Either way, there's no evidence or reason to speculate Muhammad wanted something along the lines of Rojava to happen after his death.

Ohh you think I'm that guy. No, I'm just here saying a clearly defined leadership role involves defining how your role functions moving into the future. Something clearly went off the rails (and of course the hadiths are questionable af and are probably made up after the fact by each faction to support their side)

Think of it like this: South Carolina and then the entire South declared secession after Lincoln was elected president of the US. After Trump was elected we had mass-scale protests, and still are. It could very well be that Muhammad's successor was clearly defined and the other sect just broke off from there, fabricating Hadith for ideological support.

You mean "purged and forced out of their homes due to rising Arab nationalist and imperialist sentiment and Israel was the only place that would take them" rofl

cbf reading the rest of the thread, is it full of turd worldists using "anti-zionism" as a cover for anti-semitic bleating, like every other thread we have on Jews?

The Kibbutz movement is the closest thing to Actually Existing Socialism in the entire region (asides from Rojava) fite me

Then why does the state of Israel do DNA tests on Jews seeking Aliyah? Are they looking for the religion gene?

Lifestylism is not leftism.

You can accept that humans are individuals and that Jewish culture as a whole (not necessarily the religion itself) has stood in opposition to socialism . Even Marx recognized this and wrote quite a bit about it.

You could literally say the same about squatting.

no they tend to support wight wing zionism

Only in order to "prove" they're worthy of Israeli society. Mizrahi Jews used to be extremely left-wing up until the 1980s.