Syria Thread

Muslims were already Neocons when Clinton was bombing Serbia.

jesus fucking christ.
Are these conservative muslim men in western cuck costumes?

US operations in Syria are split between the CIA and Pentagon. The CIA is training the rebels and trying to get the army to train them as well. I'm not sure if the CIA likes or hates the Kurds, I imagine they wouldn't like them because "muh Reds" as the CIA has a vindictive personality, they are also playing 5D chess with Arabs and Turks (essentially they just work for them ad hoc without any plans like the orange oaf in office).

The army hates training the rebels because, in the words of a former special forces operator in the region, "they don't want to end up in a Steve Coll novel" (they don't want to train the next Bin Laden). The army does like training the Kurds because they aren't psychopaths, have functioning social systems similar to the West, and are motivated to fight and more importantly can be trained well. The largest impediment is their lack of education, a large portion of US education and technology familiarization in youth is to allow for the easy handling of high tech weapons by anyone with a high school education, many Kurds were denied anything close to this.

Like many other situations US efforts are schizophrenic.

Of course no one would support traditionalist Muslim women. Where's the socialist revolution in feudal traditions?

Officially yes, although modern Syrian policy isn't much like that proposed by Aflaq. Ba'athism was always shit, though, so it's no big loss.

This is what tankies actually believe.

??? is not very complicated process

Yugoflag isn't a particulary tankish flag.

I know it must be hard for you to accept that people outside of Stalinist circles actually look at Assad realistically and don't reurgitate CIA talking points

My view on Syria, purely based by what I read in the news, is that before the civil war ideology was not so much an issue, but that it was all about being part of the ruling clique. Long as you didn't get in the way of the Assad family and it's allies in the middle class, life was tolerable. Get on their bad side, now, you might end up tortured.

But, the ruling ideology being the ideology of the ruling class, at least the Assad clique had some values based on Marxism, which remember grew out of the (European) liberal tradition, concerning things like women's rights. They picked those up originally, remember, thanks to the fusion of socialism and national liberation. The reason any kind of secularism even exists in the middle-east is thanks almost entirely to socialism!

Anyway, the model of patronage and corruption they maintained collapsed thanks to pressures of the environmental kind, a drought in the 2000s, and the general agitation of the Arab Spring, funded by the Sheiks of the Gulf states and the good folks at Langley.

So, I don't think chaos in Syria could have been avoided. Their model just reached it's limits because of contingent reasons. It would have been nice if if the outside world hadn't started pouring in guns and ideology and fighters for scoring geopolitical influence by mobilizing the spooks in the population, but all that is water under the bridge, right?

I'd been under the impression the Syrian government offered the buses to rebels out of areas they were going to strike, and couldn't believe they'd ever just turn them loose after having them like that.

Now, for what concerns the gas attack, there's a few options. I don't think the Assad government did it. They were winning conventionally, the only thing that could sink them is a foreign intervention at this point. So they would not do this thing that might draw in an unpredictable new president like Drumpf.

What could have happened, of course, and going a bit /x/, is that a faction within the regime launched the attack, outside of the control of Damascus. Maybe as a ploy by Russia and Iran to have an excuse to get rid of Assad. But I doubt it.

Because the most likely culprits are the folks who stand to gain. The answer to "cui bono?" Those would be the "moderate" rebels who are at the verge of conventional defeat, and linked to Al-Qaeda. They need an overthrow of the regime to survive, to establish a safe space for all the Islamic fighters to stay until they can go fight in the upcoming fight for the Arabian Peninsula. So of course they wouldn't hesitate to gas or strangle a few people for the news. Remember, there are no objective observers in the Idlib pocket, it's all provided by Al-Qaeda and CIA news sources. But I repeat myself.

Now lastly, there is the question of the reaction by the US. Why did they do what they do, namely put 59 cruise missiles into a single airbase to no great effect? Mostly because they don't really want to go in, they just wanted to make a statement to back up their shit-talk about red lines, and also impress the Chinese who were visiting at that time, etc. It's typical of Drumpf, talking big but being cheap. So if no more big scale things like that happen, that'll be the end of it. Assad wins, which means Iran wins, and Russia also. Which means nothing, basically. it's post 2003 status quo.

The real risk is of course that the instigators and frankly losers of this conflict, those devious Sheiks and their Zionist allies, will overreact to the coming Assad victory and do something really dumb. But I doubt they will after the asskicking they are getting in Yemen.

Of course, that's just the South. What we really care about is the YPG and the Turks. And that could get ugly. The US won't have their back if Turkey presses hard and IS has been defeated. The YPG are fools to go for Raqqa; the US will drop them as soon as al-Baghdadi is dead. That will leave them open to Turkish conquest, and I doubt the Iranians or Russians will care very much. The YPG's only hope for survival is outright alliance with Assad, have actual Syrian troops at the Turkish/TFSA border, and hope for the best.

It did not help Hussein back then.

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Bashar al-Assad used to live in Britain as an eye doctor, and went back to Syria in the mid-90s after the death of his elder brother.

The chemical attacks are irrelevant this is pretty much what happen.