Nationalism

Should Nationalism be stomped out? How does Holla Forums feel about Nationalism?

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marxists.org/archive/mattick-paul/1959/09/nationalism.htm
leftcom.org/en/articles/2010-09-15/the-national-question-today-and-the-poisonous-legacy-of-the-counter-revolution
democracynature.org/vol2/bookchin_nationalism.htm
orwell.ru/library/essays/nationalism/english/e_nat
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Why are political cartoons always total garbage?

Nationalism of any form is pure cancer allways and everywhere.

I could swear that there was an active thread about "left nationalism" just an hour ago, where OP got BTFO'ed for supporting nationalism in connection with leftism.

marxists.org/archive/mattick-paul/1959/09/nationalism.htm
leftcom.org/en/articles/2010-09-15/the-national-question-today-and-the-poisonous-legacy-of-the-counter-revolution

Yes
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yuup

How do that work?

nationalism must be stamped out, and all shall be forced to learn Esperanto

We already have this thread, so I'll just paraphrase what I said there.

Nationalism is not inherently bourgeois, in the same way that feminism is not inherently proletarian, nor Islam inherently reactionary. These ideologies are what we make of them, and carry the class character that we give them.
Nationalism is the naturally-occurring product of national consciousness, and no country in the world has successfully eradicated it (though you could maybe make an argument for Belarus).
It is therefore in our best interests as leftists to promote revolutionary, proletarian nationalism, without borders or states; because if we don't embrace national sentiment then Porky will.

kek, you should work on some memes without ideas next

your an idiot :)

I'm not a nationalist, but I also don't want a bunch of Arab/African rapists or terrorists in my neighborhood. They are statistically overrepresented among criminals.

On the wrong board, idpoller. Race is a spook.

It's a useful spook though, because racial profiling works more often than not.

Fuck off back to id/pol/

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Here it is


Watch out for this memster, guys. If you ask him to define the "Nation" he will just call you an Autist and run away. Dangerous stuff.

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a nation is just the limit of political power, you're not going to 'not have' a nation.

democracynature.org/vol2/bookchin_nationalism.htm

Wasn't the entire Eastern Bloc nationalist in a sense?

How does Holla Forums feel about Eastern Bloc Nationalism / Patriotism?

There is no such thing as nationalism, with which I mean is that it doesn't describe anything actual, but attempts to weave together a multitude of sentiments into a doctrine.

this thread again huh?
there are many forms of patriotic leftism, look them up. You'll find it a lot especially in Basque and Irish political groups.

It's just another tankie concept

Nationalism in a nation ruled by a Communist Party = Spreading Communist ideology to the people.

nationalism is gay lol

spooky

There is a difference between Patriotism and Nationalism.

this tbh fams

only if your autistic

by who? the left has no fucking power. shut the fuck up until you have power loser.

Oh come off it user, there is a huge difference between a prole wanting to wave his country's flag at a local parade celebrating a historical victory or celebrating one of their historical leaders, VS a prole believing his country is inherently superior to all other countries and wants his country to CONQUER other countries.

Come and take it, fuckboi.

Why don't you go listen to some more Dead Kennedys while drawing your little A symbol on your term paper?

democracynature.org/vol2/bookchin_nationalism.htm

Literally a meme

Orwell made the best analysis Ive seen on this topic.
orwell.ru/library/essays/nationalism/english/e_nat

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Yes

National Socialism is best socialism.

Bad post

People should have common unity over ideals, not abstractions.

Why isn't Not Socialism filtered to "Not Socialism" anymore?

Does not internationalism do the same? The world certainly has gotten more internationalist compared to how it was a half a century ago, but has it gotten more socialist?

The way Orwell describes nationalism is that not internationalism? Internationalists decry anyone against them as being nationalists, yet the internationalists still try to force their way of life on others (not to say some nationalists don't force their way of life on others either). By this logic, I can see three scenarios.

1. Jingoist Nationalism: Want to force the rest of the world to submit to their will
2. Jingoist Internationalism: Want to force the rest of the world to submit to their will. They claim to be against nationalism, yet condemn any one against them as being a nationalist.
3. Isolationist Patriotism: Want to be left alone, but constantly have to defend themselves from both nationalists and internationalists.

You could easily replace the nationalism on that flag with progressivism. Progress isn't always positive.


Globalists/internationalists are literally just nationalists on a larger scale.

because they're intended to be a mockery of whatever they depict, so artists feel they can skimp on the art.

Why is this a thing? All that is necessary is class unity, why randomly throw support of a state into it?


Any """"socialist"""" """"patriotism"""" that focuses on the achievements of a state instead of the ideals of the proletarian class is pure nationalism.

nationalism, just like feminism is the bourgeois spookification of actual issues to promote class interests.
we should face these issues in a demystified way