in the middle east only the leftists support assad against fsa and wahhabi israeli scum. we get a lot of shit for it too from the right wing arabs and turks.
so why is it that when in america and pol the right are the ones who think assad is great? it makes no sense. socialism and secularism and anti-imperialism is a leftist. can someone please explain why the right in america love assad?
it makes 0 sense
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law of averages that occasionally you're gonna agree with people on the other end of the spectrum on something
Too bad Assad is no more than two (2) of these
he is all 3 in the arab world. its why atheist groups and leftist marxist groups like pflp support him unapologetically
you do not know the real truth
Only the "alt-right" like Assad because they hate Muslims and he is friends with "muh based Putin" and he doesn't execute Christians.
The "right", meaning neocons, are praising Trump for the saber rattling and they hate Assad.
because back in 2009 before the war broke out there were plans to build a pipeline from the Caspian sea to Russia. Thank god that didn't happen, because if it did, well, unfortunately Russia would hold far to much power. Unfortunately the people of Syria must suffer.
Russia needs to hold more power though. The American empire needs to be dismantled in order for global communism to flourish.
Assad is a dictator and a war criminal. This revolution is his own fault. The Syrian people made their hatred of Assad known during the Arab spring and he responded with (even more) violence and oppression. He is not a secularist or a socialist and is only "anti-imperialist" as a matter of circumstance. There is no logical reason for the left to support him.
Yes.
Yes. It would leave a power vacuum EXACTLY like in Lybia.
Cause we support YPG.
Instead of the US holding too much power.
Honestly, why is having more than one superpowers so bad? I mean.. Look at all the technological progress the Cold War created! We went to the fucking Moon! What do we get now that only the US is superpower??? Chaos.
Oh, and, nazbol is shit.
The arab spring was a CIA op.
what part of the middle east are you from op ?
what's the situation like there ?
Not like the people had a geniun reason to rise and it worked fine places where the government wasn't full authoritarian and US didn't fuck everything up, or anything.
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yeah why would syrians fight in their own civil war?
If it makes a country less stable that is good for the US. There is not a single country in the MENA region that improved after the arab spring, which precisely what America wanted.
It's not a civil war. It's a proxy war between Syrians and the United States.
it's both. i don't expect syrians to give a shit about the wider geopolitical implications and only act in their own interests.
Not that the cia didn't take advantage, but it's not like the protestors were all actors or something. The rage the Arab Spring was very real.
I don't support the extremist elements of the FSA. I don't support anyone unconditionally in the war. But if I had to pick a faction it would be Rojava.
The US used all means to ensure the most bloodthirsty reactionaries came out on top. There was a deliberate media effort to paint the arab spring as a liberal revolution, and sure, there were liberals involved and in some cases even leftists, but the sectarian and ethnic ugliness was also there from the very start. Just look at Libya, Gaddafi might have not been perfect, but he was a widely popular sort of leftist leader, supported anti imperialist forces and achieved a decent standard of living in Libya. Like over half of the supposed liberal rebels turned out to be islamists, nowadays there are literal slave markets in some parts of Libya where black africans are sold as cattle, living standards have plumetted and there are like 4 different warring governments with their own armed forces and foreign backers.
As per the standard of US foreign policy : take advantage of real, justified rage against a tyrant to have them replaced with someone even worse. It's almost like they don't want real revolution. The ones we should be supporting are not the "less evil" tyrants but the worker-class people who despise all tyrants.
Algeria.
Are not the Syrians the ones fighting Syrians?
t. based militia men on a mission to serve their masters
It's far more complicated. There are tens of thousands of foreign fighters in Syria right now. And don't assume even all the natives see themselves as 'syrians' or as fighting for 'syria', much less for a discredited ideal of western style 'democracy' Sunni Islamists from all over the world have come to join ISIS and FSA, while kurds and leftists from neighbouring countries join the YPG. The FSA doesn't exist as a coherent unified political group fighting for 'democracy', imo, as of now Rojava are the closest thing to the good guys in this war.
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why would you reinvent the ak47 when you can get one as easily and cheaply as an iphone?
Anyone who fights for Russia is based tbh
So, Syria is a made up State and we should let it be divided in order to have stability.
Makes sense to me.
Assad is a n.ational socialist though, why are you supporting him?
Whatever, Satan-Chan.
Assad is like Gaddafi and Nasser. Claiming to be "Socialist" while being bourgie.
He's a proxy of Putin and stands up to America, that's good enough.
The YPG actually has a pretty interesting and unusual solution for that problem, rather than breaking down Syria into a number of authoritarian ethno religious statelets, they are building descentralised multiethnic democracy from the ground up
Some people seem to get really upset by this for some reason.
putin is a mafiya oligarch who begged to be part of team america in 2002 but was told to fuck off.
why are you supporting him?
Russia is a country that has been repeatedly screwed over by America since the fall of the USSR, their population actually declined by millions due to increased poverty and alcoholism after the neoliberal plunder of the 90s-00s. Russia is a decaying power, but it's being built up as an irredeemable and near omnipotent threat to America, just like Iran and before Iran, Iraq. I guess you could say Putin is every bit as ruthless as the americans, but remember, who created Putin in the first place?
Assad tortured people for the CIA - he's no anti-imperialist. Better than most of the rebels, but he's fighting IS, al-Qaeda, and similar groups, so that's not a very high bar.
I'd rather he win than lose, given what would replace him, but I hate how some people want to turn him into a revolutionary anti-imperialist hero.
Ba'athism is weird Turd Position/NazBol, where it doesn't completely reject Marxist theory, promotes secularism and had working relationship with USSR. Also, inevitably tries to resist American imperialism. That's why both Gaddafi and Saddam also fucked with the petrodollar and got kill for it.
God that's impractical Holla Forums likes him because he's the most practical response to Syria, if it takes secular dictatorships to keep that section of the world in check then that's what they deserve.
I was about to say that. I'm pretty sure a good portion of those AK-47s are all local made (knock offs?)
I think where the free gun shit comes in is with all those TOW Missiles and what not. Those shits cost 180k each.
Because when peaceful protestors took to the streets to voice their disatisfaction with the regime he answered them with automatic rifle fire.
(Pic) < How an AK-47 is inventered from scratch.
Educate yourself. You're ignorant.
Not that guy, but yeah, no.
I've personally examined a bunch of homemade/Khyber pass "guns" and the great majority of them are made from recycled pot-metal or melted down railway rails.
They're low quality junk that's far more likely to kill the idiot holding it than whatever they're aiming at.
Trying to fire commercial or military grade ammo in one of those tomato stakes is tantamount to committing suicide.
Those militiamen have those AK's because the Russians, Chinese, Norks, etc shit them out in their millions to the point where you can get one for as little as $10 in the right place.
And to be frank, no insurgency leader worth his salt is going to outfit his men with homemade junk when real guns made with high-quality steel and to a standard are readily and cheaply available.Especially when it's obvious that they have a backer with money to throw around.
AK's are cheap as shit and ridiculously plentiful, there's little or no point of counterfeiting them.
And before you post some video of some third-world "craftsman" making one, that still does nothing to refute my point.
Holla Forums is a contrarian mess, but the right HATES Assad. Neocons like McCain want to get rid of him rather yesterday.
PFLP is irrelevant and so is their ideology.