Anyone else sick of this clown?

Looks like Holla Forums has gotten into Confucianism.

That is, if they actually practiced filial piety which they don't.

Well yes it should cause this isn’t the 19/20th century, why should I follow this guys musings on life. He was a rich kid ergo his philosophy is colored by this.

Ordinary people want a chance to better themselves through their own talents not be held back by others lack of, sans egalitarian

You have a fear of people being aware of who they are, sounds familiar.

That's exactly what Marx advocated for.

It seems your criticisms are based on conservative memes rather than any kind of understanding of Marx and his works.

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No, we want people to be aware of what they are. That's half the point of our movement, to strip away the false consciousness of bourgeois society and allow people to see where they really stand in the socio-economic order without liberal ideological obfuscation.

So what the hell happened??

Please explain bourgeois

You guys don't seriously believe in orcs, do you?

We have a thread about him every week or so. Hes shit and basically what a """"""rationalist""""" youtuber would be like if they got off the internet.

He would starve if Engels didn't support him, and nobody liked him for what he belived, but somehow he was a rich kid.

Well, your ancestors… ok… the ancestors of people in the US, were fighting for 8hours work/day, viable work conditions and other communist teachings.

Then again, you choose to only like those that came after WW2.

Nothing. Oh! You mean.. ye… Reagan happened.

The class of people who own the means of production and use them for profit. They have to strugle against each other to survive, and basicly, you want a link to the manga of Das Kapital?

What, unthinking destroyers like you

youtube.com/watch?v=uXSGYeppeH4&list=PLB6uFR63KHaz7gfHmNyy_rVnk6ztAhpXm

Enjoy your education fam.

I sometimes wonder if fascists actually believe it when they say things like this or if they're only trying to justify themselves, but the thing to remember is fascists don't have "beliefs," they just do what their daddy tells them is best.

Eichmann in Jerusalem is required reading before bothering talking to fascists, it will save you so much trouble.

What do you mean?

The bourgeoisie, property owners and managers of capital, are the ruling class.

I'll pick the most sentient of your replies:
The class of people who own the means of production and use them for profit. They have to strugle against each other to survive, and basicly, you want a link to the manga of Das Kapital?

You do understand that feudalism in what ever form is the reality of life, there are people in this world who will outwit the "people" in a microsecond. Why do you think the means of production are in the hands of a few. Would you put road sweeper in charge of a govnt. department? (dont answer that)

this guy gets triggered by they pronouns lol

Did Marx advocate for affirmative action?

The bourgeoisie, property owners and managers of capital, are the ruling class

Why are they a bad thing, first in best dressed, you have a lock on your front door right, why?

And why is a millionare that lives off the labor of others better? Cause he knows how to exploit them?
The answer is, neither is more "suitable" cause the state is not supposed to be about profit, but about better organization of society.

Also, Feudalism, where power is Land, was after Classic Antiquity, where the power was Slave Ownership and before Capitalism, where power is Capital.

It's called Historical Materialism and you should look it up.

Cause Capitalism.

You have stuff that others don't and they want them.

There was a time when people didn't have locks. Because they had nothing to lose and everyone around them had more or less the same.

Then Capitalism came and the peasants became workers and some workers had no work, and they had to feed themselves, and food was there, but they had no money.. and now we go to French Revolution territories.

t. triggered peterson fanboy
way to address nothing he actually said.

Feudalism means war, the same struggle Darwin saw in nature. You cant fight nature can you?

Feudalism is a mode of production and you are retarted.

So you want a society without the concept of personal property, so can I take your liver when I need one?

No I'm not retarded and feudalism is a description of a process, production, i presume at a basic level you mean food is a bi-product.

Marxists respect personal property but not private property their is a distinction. Why do people always come to this sub to argue against their ridiculous strawmen? If you want to BTFO us it would help to have a rudimentary understanding of our views.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_property#Personal_versus_private_property

No, see, up to a dozen people will be assigned a liver at birth and they'll be responsible for sharing it.

ACTUALLY, we are coming for your toothbrush.

please read a book… Seriously.. Das Kapital is on Mangafox? Want a link? Here! mangafox.me/manga/das_kapital/

Because the millions who died in the Ukraine for the crime of owning a farm don’t count

Heh

You are right, they don't. Holodomor is a myth created by Ukrainian "nationalists" (and nazi collaborators) to justify their willingness to side with nazi scum.

There are all sorts of clever ideologies out there, some tried and some not. They are always subject to subversion, ref my point about earlier about being outwitted in a microsecond. There aint no panacea folks sorry and no amount of intellectualising will change that, this is it and its bigger than all of us, wall street CAPITALISTS funded the russian revolution

So it wasnt used to fund starlins war machine? Funny how you deny a holocaust that was never officially acknowledged in the first place

Hoarding grain from their feudal master right?

I learned something though, there is apparently a hierarchy of property, I'll remember that the next time I hoard something to the benefit of the future.

the hard work of my 'ancestors' was primarily, hilariously enough, shitting on the work of their ancestors. the development of any field, philosophy, science, economics, or whatever has been the upheaval (or 'shitting on') of the people that came before.

^this is what science looks like with retarded Holla Forums logic.

theories exist to be challenged and revolutionized, and we see the benefits of that process every day. we owe nothing to upholding the thought of the people that came before us, our only obligation is to critique it and make it fit our current situation. capitalism (an economic system which was itself born from a violent upheaval of a status quo) is no different.

SEE? I TOLD YOU YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT!!!

That was the Germans that wanted Russia to lose the war! The US had nothing to do with it!!!

Also, "the lord is the lord and nothing can change that" said your equivalent before the french revolution.

No. Marx lived in the nineteenth century, he had no concept of "affirmative action"

Nor do I think he would have supported the concept. He opposed the very system that makes affirmative action necessary. Affirmative action is a bandaid fix, an almost completely symbolic gesture meant to amend historical grievances without actually changing anything.

STUPID DUMB
THE_DONALD SCUM

GO BACK TO REDDIT

you hate and fear him because he obliterates zealots, he brings awareness to marxist brainwash on campuses and promotes self bettering and responsibility as opposed to crying and resenting which is the communist field of business. He is anti zealots on both sides but the communists are the one contaminating universities so they are the ones most criticized by him.

Class ends, students applaud him, thats not something most teachers will ever experience, this means the students are genuinely grateful for what they got, they know they are being given valuable information and life lessons, that they are closer to truth as opposed to indoctrination classes they get with other teachers.
You should watch his magnificent lectures and grow from it.

counter-currents.com/2013/10/wall-street-and-the-november-1917-bolshevik-revolution/

the things Holla Forums does to make the_donald faggots see the light.

Who is this guy

kek Holla Forums btfo again

yet we overcame feudalism

We seem to fall from one hierarchical structure from one period to the next.

Change doesn't always involve tearing down everything that came before you retard only a commie riding the revolutionary meme woluld have such a simple interpretation of history and progress. And no you can't look at everything through the prisim of scientific progress.

OK I began reading this article but it just seems like a bunch of conjecture tbh. First he beings talking about capitalist aid to the provisional government. The provisional government was pro-capitalist and dominated by Russia's nascent bourgeoisie, it makes sense that they would receive support from their class allies abroad. The provisional government was also at war on the side of the allies which is another reason why they would receive aid.

The "evidence" offered in the next section is solely based around the fact that contemporary observers claimed there was a link between international finance and the Bolsheviks.

The first source cited is Samuel Gompers head of the AFL. In this period Gompers, the head of the conservative skilled trade unions, was in competition with American socialists over who would lead the labour movement in the United States. It is unsurprising that he would fabricate some slander to protect his own position.

The other source cited is Wickham Steed who, not unlike todays /polyps, seems to have uncritically swallowed all the anti-semetic conspiracy theories floating around in the early 20th century. He endorsed The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion as genuine and on that basis blamed the Jews for World War I and the Bolshevik regime. Ironically his own paper would be the first to expose the true source of the notorious protocols. In 1921 The Times Constantinople correspondent proved they were actually forged by the Tsars secret police. Embarrassed Steed withdrew his earlier claims.

Then what non-revolutionary change are you talking about? Change without change? Or maybe there is a change but we make look like it isn't? How do you create something new without destroying the old?

Yeah there's also the prism of muh feels.

forgot about shitposting flag

Sounds more like the leader of a cult than an intellectual.

But away from hierarchical structures overall.

Lord-serf was less authoritarian than master-slave.

Employer-employee is less authoritarian than lord-serf.

this is poorly worded and is basically
repeating what said

Stalin is as stalin does m8, maybe you should learn more about the different schools of thought in Socialism and how they don't all line up to suck stalin's dick

If you think he is free from ideology, then guess again
this is also poorly worded

Jesus can you suck his dick any harder? He at best has a rudimentary understanding of Marxism, and is not exempt from abusing argument fallacies and straw men. His whole "if your a Marxist then you are just as good as a Stalinist" is pathetic at least, and his pathological fear of using violence to achieve political end is hypocritical being that the entire "rational centrist" shtick he uses is built on a system that maintains itself through violence, and achieved its current state through centuries of violent upheaval.
Ultimately his is one of the most forgettable academics I've ever seen, and only survives because, like ayn rand, is pushed in intellectual circles by people who have an ax to grind.

I have read Marx. I quite like Peterson.
But hey who am I to argue with anecdotal evidence.

Your modern leftist appears to hate or dismiss anyone outside of their own personality cults. So the criticism of not being well read enough from people who almost to a man only read their own leftist screeds and never countenance any criticism or conflicting perspective is pretty funny. But that's cults for you.

you just described every rightist "intellectual" ever

Funny thing is I do believe we can take some things away from Peterson. His point on how ideology can be used to compensate for violence (ie. stalin) is a useful point for us.
But what he says is far from profound or fully original. If you want a good critique of Marxian ideology you would go to Popper, and if you want a good critique of Marxian economics you would go the someone from the Keynesian school. Peterson has said some interesting points, but a lot of the time his "critiques" degenerate into generalizations of Marxism and blatant straw-men.

That's slightly disingenuous.
I get the feeling your a little invested in pushing him.

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nothing he says is of importance yet internet autists will circlejerk over him

How is this possible?

What? Could you be more thorough, which of his comparative religion talking points was disregarding by researches during the 50s?

As far I as know it's because he "BTFO'ed" some "SJW's" in public, which is a very easy was to get very popular.

The points regarding stalin though are 1:1 copies of Zizek, imo.

Socialism/Communism sublates (ger. "Aufheben") Capitalism. That means it resolves the internal contradictions, and not that it just throws everything away.

or: Capitalism has good parts, nobody is denying that, but it still has systemic problems, and to solve these is the goal of Communism. It's the successor, not the enemy.

(Keep in mind, we're using our terminology, not yours. So try not to mix those up, it will only cause confusion.)

He's just another old white person. Once we finish off every last white, we won't have to deal with them any more.

Inb4 "I read The Communist Manifesto so I know everything about socialism"

Marx was a journalist and published author you faggot
Only uninformed idiots actually believe he never had a job