Turkish Referendum thread

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South Vietnam tier tbh

Really hope they dont'

ishygddt

voter turnout will be a miraculous 120%! Peak democracy!

yep

TReport‏ @TReport_
Counted vote reach 18%

"Yes" votes lead with 64%
"No" votes around %36

High Election Board: unsealed envelopes and voting papers will be valid. No need for more words. I'm sorry for my country #TurkeyReferendum

ahahahaahah–pro-Erdogan media outlets already posting results while the vote is still being "counted"

twitter.com/Heinrich_DC/status/853619748734631939

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The country is basically a dictatorship already so I'd say the odds are pretty high.

anfenglish.com/news/referendum-violations-across-turkey-and-north-kurdistan-19535

anfenglish.com/news/akp-s-referendum-violations-and-pressures-continue-19546

It could spark a general Kurdish uprising if they don't think that Turkey's sad excuse for democracy can help them anymore.

well let's just say I have a feeling that they'll be pretty close to the actual results

Since Erdogan will probably have rigged the votes and will win the referendum, what are the chances of massive riots and/or a new coup?

Also, any Turk anons here?

anfenglish.com/news/voting-ends-in-32-provinces-19545

anfenglish.com/kurdistan/soldiers-and-village-guards-threaten-the-people-during-voting-19529

rudaw.net/english/middleeast/turkey/15042017

rudaw.net/english/kurdistan/150420173

Unfortunately you're probably right.

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Journalist liveblogging election from Turkey:
24liveblog.com/live/1384525

Fuck off. Erdogan is supporting fascists in Syria. He's closed the border to Rojava and only lets reactionary militants through so that they can attack YPG/YPJ/IFB.

Fuck Erdogan, and fuck you.

lad…

I'm in Istanbul right now (tourist), I saw plenty of people wearing Erdogan scarves, pic related. I think I'll visit a polling station later to see what's up.

Scream "Biji Serok Apo" in the streets I beg of you

Why do people like him so much?

stockholm syndrome

Spooks are one helluva drug.

Nationalism and love for a strong leader who advocates the 'national interest' relentlessly. When I visited Turkey there were portraits of Ataturk in almost ever building.
Its the same deal as with Putin in Russia.

Stockholm Syndrome isn't real.

visit Okmeydanı fam it's full of leftists

No is winning like 58-42 atm. Might end up something like 54-46 or so.

Yes is winning, sorry.

FUCK TURKEY

Erdogan is an Islamist and from what I saw plenty of people are pretty fine with Islam here. Most women dress quite modestly (by Western standards) and plenty of them (the majority?) wear the veil (some partially, some full-burqa), you can hear the Muezzin's call every day like clockwork, the mosque open to tourists have Islamic "propaganda" posters written in English and so on.

Disclaimer: I'm in the "Old" part of the city, perhaps the European part is different.

the race of the intellectually inferior arab requires a strong hand leading it or else they just fuck camels all day

Türkz=/=arab

who could possibly be behind this post…

youtube.com/watch?v=dILmZn0I4Pw

Around half of ballot boxes have been counted.

All the indications are this will be a very tight result, with Yes failing to capitalise strongly in eastern Anatolian districts and No not getting the runaway results it needs in the southeast.

No is leading is Mersin, Zonguldak, Diyarbakir and Van - all bellwhether states.

The result is close in Istanbul, by far the largest district.

btw– I don't know why this dude is saying the result will be tight, about 72% of the vote is in and YES has about a ten point lead

Why do people love Orbán, or Hillary, or Putin…?

What are the sources for all of this?

How will spooked Islam apologists spin this?

I wonder what Serok APo would say about this.

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Well a lot of the PKK higher ups have been making statements that basically amount to: "Vote no but no matter what outcome there is the situation is dire and Turkey needs to undergo massive changes"

Apo has been in solitary confinement in the middle of the ocean since the peace talks failed so he likely has no idea this is happening

cam4.com/female/turkey

Isn't it true though?

YES 53%

According to AJ, 80% counted.

Thanks for answering my question. Now I see how it will go.

Istanbul is swinging to 'no' but yes still in the lead.

Point out a lie or any allusions to the past I made in my post, drama queen

I'm following a local journalist's liveblog
24liveblog.com/live/1384525

He's translating and posting news from Turkish news sources

He's allowed books and meetings wih som other PKK prisoners iirc

Not really, Turkey is better than a place like saudi arabia obviously but that's kind of a low bar to clear

Turk user here,

Tgrt counted the strongest ballot boxes first to give the impression that yes is in the lead.According to Fox News(abicim are socdem in here) yes iş down to %52.

*They

*Which

Diaspora vote has not been counted so far. It will ensure his victory. Thanks to 'moderate' Western Muslims we are going to get a new Islamist dictatorship.

Really? Why would diaspora Turks vote yes? What's their incentive?

(Not saying I don't believe you, I'm just struggling to understand why)

Diaspora Turks are in general more conservative than the local ones. They have voted for Erdogan in past elections by majority.

Not him, but immigrants tend to be more conservative than even the places they originated from.
There are certainly many exceptions, but one should not underestimate the regressiveness of communitarianism, especially amongst marginalized groups.

A lot of European Turks at least got riled up by the Dutch crackdown on AKP platforming, and Erdogan fed that by telling them it was anudda crusade.

They're fucking retarded and nationalists. I have no idea why they've come to the west when they should be in Turkey sucking their sultans cock.

Especially those groups that are appeased emboldened in their reactionary ideologies by 'leftists' like you.

They would've voted for him anyway like in the previous elections.

Nice shitpost.
If anything radicalizes and emboldens salafists, it anti-orientalist bigotry.

I've seen a lot of anti Erdogan Turks actually in Turkey express similar sentiments

Ankara just flipped to 'no'.

Really? I have only ever heard of Turks waving their crescent moon and star and supporting Erdogan,

Latest results:

Ballot boxes counted(not votes) 94.23%

YES: 51.83%

NO: 48.17%

This shit is really close.

'no' is leading in Istanbul, Ankara, and Izmir

My mother works as a volunteer in a refugee camp.
She's saying that even ethnic turks are begin to flee out of Turkey because of Erdogan's authoritarianism.

Diaspora vote. (>60% YES for Erdogan)

Bud, most refugees are not voting.
Those who vote are those who immigrated a generation ago.
Those are usually pretty conservative/salafist leaning.

rigged

Good. They can all move there.

when can we expect the results?

Honestly, I would fully support deporting every Turk that voted yes in this referendum. If they love islamist dictatorships so much they can go live in one.

be hilarious if this backfired and they mostly no votes

Why should they? They are economically pretty well-off and western goverments do their best to accommodate them. Just remind yourself of Germany explicitly legalizing male circumcision after pressure from the Muslim diaspora. It was ruled to be illegal and a kind of assault by German judges according to German law before that and parliament lost no time to change it.

Mi opinias ke eĉ aliancoj de Erdogan staros kontraŭ 'Evet'-konkludo de tiu ĉi balotado. CHP ne volas ke Erdogan iĝu diktatoro. Ili preferas disgitan aliancon de la dekstruloj.

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According to Turkish TV there seem to be some shenanigans going on. Some claims that a part of the ballots haven't been counted so far.

CHP MP Bülent Tezcan, on a very crackly telephone line, tells CNN Turk that it may appear Yes is ahead because of Anadolu Agency but he adds: "This does not reflect the truth".

He says, based on 53% of the votes counted and verified by them, that No actually has a narrow lead. He quotes the figures YES 49.2 / NO 50.8.

Erdogan simple devas diri ke Tezcan estas ia teroristo-subtenanto kaj li ne plu estos respektata en Turkio.

Mark Lowen‏Verified account @marklowen

#Turkey opposition #CHP & 'no' leader #Aksener say they do not accept this result, challenging validity of some votes. This could get messy

REAL coup when?

I always find it amazing how Western countires bend over for that shit so easily.

According to official sources it's now mathematically impossible for the 'NO' vote to win.

The diaspora has thus ensured Erdogans victory.

BREAKING NEWS: #Erdogan declares referendum victory in congratulatory calls to leaders of #AKP, #MHP & #BBP. #Turkey

That's the logic.

Good, uncut dicks are gross as hell

youtube.com/watch?v=kWdfRRtAs3o

Expect new arrest waves and cleansing in the coming days.

Expect an assault on Qandil and Sinjar soon now that's he's won

I wouldn't use this particular example to say one way or the other, too many opposition members and leaders have been arrested and threatened to present any real threat to Erdogan.

Also, I guess this means no EU for Turkey, ever, right?

Yes. Thank dog.

This is going to cause a civil war in Turkey:

This is going to be a blood-bath.

The left are prepared, so are the jihadists.

The 'No' voters need to create a ruckus like Gezi now.

Shoo shoo turkroach

The thing is that most don't want a full-on war. The HPG are still fighting since the 70's but I doubt that it's going to draw in non-kurdish people. And I seriously doubt that Erdogan's Turkish opposition are even considering taking up arms directly.
No, I'd put my money on another attempted coup if anything.

I think the turkish left would be happy to participate in a war against Erdogan but there needs to be more players so they would actually risk it. They're still relatively small. MLKP are in the mountains with their kurdish brothers and some are in Rojava. Rojava itself can't support a war in Turkey because of it's realpolitik relationship with the U.S, etc. Not to mention it doesn't have the resources. Don't forget that the PKK are the ones helping Rojava, PJAK, and YBS.

Indeed. A coup would theortically be the only way possible to overthrow Erdogan's caliphate. That is unlikely because Erdogan recently purged most of his opposition from the military.

Even if a coup occurred, in order for the new government to consolidate their power they would have to begin a new war. Kurds, the internal other, would likely be targeted yet again. As history has shown.
Dio estu pia, bonvole.

The things is Kemalists also represent a significant anti Erdogan faction. But despite having more in common with the left than Islamists, they will not join with the left because of a hatred of Kurds and socialism.

twitter.com/trtworld/status/853674667550396416

youtube.com/watch?v=szLJuVL_Kbo
Relax people.

then what muslim majority country is the most laïcité?

Well, fascist dictatorships are marked by popular support.

Not that user, but probably Lebanon

While the "like you" part is obviously Holla Forumsack conflation of Holla Forums with SJWs, the accusation is accurate. I've repeatedly heard accounts of European "leftist" politicians recognizing/appointing the most fundie extremists as cultural and political leaders in their Muslim ghettos, and specifically attacking ex-Muslim leftists/secularists as "culturally inauthentic" and "internally racist".

It's part of the same brain cancer responsible for thinking that ghettos are preferable to integrationism.

Which is extra bullshit when you think about it because it keeps down any actual leftist elements within those communities

But Lebanon doesn't have separation of church and state at all. Hell it's literally got it embedded into its constitution that each of the major religious communities have a certain amount of officials. Plus Lebanon can't really count as the muslim population is under 60%

Obviously bunkerstan

Not technically, but the de facto forced acceptance of all the religions present means that strictly religious policy is untenable. You have a point about the percentage being low, but the only standard set was muslim majority

Turkey doesn't have coded separation between church and state either. When we're talking about Muslim majority countries we're by and large talking about functional secularism.

lmao

Not at all. You don't know what these words mean. Laïcité is not 'acceptance of all religions'.

Lebanese confessionalism is the complete opposite of a laicist order.

Ok, and Turkey doesn't have legal or functional secularism so…

the point is that implementing sharia is impossible there, since the christians wouldn't accept it and neither would the sunni accept shia sharia and vice versa

What are you even talking about? Islamic family law is routinely applied in Lebanon when dealing with family issues of Muslims in Lebanon.

When people are scared about sharia they're not worried about fucking family court

Country A: no application of religious laws whatsoever
Country B: prevalencence of several religious law traditions in family and personal matters

Your claim: Country B is more laïcist than country A.

This is bogus, lmao.

I'm not the same person who made that claim, I just jumped in to say that obviously people aren't worried about family court when they say sharia. And after this referendum, Turkey is more likely to implement the scary kind than Lebanon is.

Albania is Muslim.

Then thanks a lot for chiming in and shifting the goal post for another person by acting apologetic towards a patriarchic personal and family law that treats women like second class humans.

So are swathes of East Asia and Southern Africa, I think we're talking about MENA here, which has enforced a particularly uniform and oppressive type of Moslem fundamentalism.

see you ignored because you can't prove him wrong.

Lmao dude calm down with the indignation. Lebanon is infinitely better for non-muslims than Turkey or basically anywhere else in the MENA region is even now. And when Sultan really gets into gear this will be even more hilarious.

What on earth happened to Turkey's politics? I always thought the periodic military dictatorships were supposed to act as a reservoir of secularism against populist Islamic fundamentalism, like in Egypt.

circumcision will be banned under socialism

Turkey is what happens when the militaristic faction decides they can get consistent support from the religious faction

Green Ergenekon replaced Red Ergenekon for good.
Might have been what the latest coup attempt was about too.

There's plenty of signs that the militaristic faction propped up the muslim brotherhood and suppressed other contenders specifically to give them an excuse to take control from the "new brutal government" that became inevitable. Don't be so naive with middle eastern politics, there are no saviors

In both cases, but more so in Egypt, the military has essentially stopped being the vanguard of secularism and the heirs to Kemal and Nasser. Nowadays they're just an American backed elite that organises coups everytime the public attempted to limit the power of the elite.
The 1960 Turkish coup was literally organized by a CIA-trained Grey Wolf.

he'll win because muslims love dictators.
i know its weird from a western POV but thats how it is.
they would rather have a ruthless dictator that keeps things mostly on track than having to gamble every 5 years.

Hard to blame them when anything close to a democracy ends up being a blowjob competition for the American/Israeli governments

Will leftist Islam apologists be remembered as the Rosa killers of our generation?

either way it ends up being a bj competition.
the dictators that stop sucking get "democracy©" spread allover their countries.

True, but the dictator can for a little while project an image of defiance and strength to sell to the masses

b-but muh diversity and humanitarianism…

yes

I will gladly take Anzu into my home as a refugee.

But he only likes jap cock

I'm fairly sure the USA are the only presidentialist country that's worth a damn, isn't it?

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Seriously, which others are there? Because they all seem to be parliamentarist.

hmm rly makes u fink…

in other news, there's currently a petty edit war on wikipedia where this doodiehan guy keeps editing "president" to "dictator"

france's president is relatively important; apart from that, in europe at least, at least germany and 🍀🍀🍀ireland🍀🍀🍀 have presidents that only serve a ceremonial role.

What did he mean by this?

add italy to that list as well.

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It's true.

But all of them are still parliamentarist. Sure, this or that position is weak, but they all have both a president and a prime-minister.

Thank you.

All I'm seeing is that democracy was a mistake

I am told that leftists need to stop crying because in 2019, when the new system is established, any party can take power, including the Kurds

lel

bbc.com/news/world-europe-39617700

well it was nice knowing you Turkey

Do you want Crusades, Turkey? Because this is how you get Crusades!

Radical leftists are largely insignificant in the West. No Muslim cares if their local leftist org condemns Sharia or writes a 2000-word essay against KSA, when they are getting fucked by capitalism and are viewed as noble savages by liberals and as animals by fascists. How can we prevent the rise of nationalism and fundamentalism anywhere without a sizable movement?
And if the Turks are to invade Rojava, they are going to do so regardless of state ideology. The turkish state has been oppressing minorities for a century.

The crusades went pretty well for the Turks, historically though.

Holy shit, it's the Lady of Pain

The USA is not worth a damn

*tips*

SHOO SHOO t*rkroach!

What do you think Anzu's opinion on the Turkish referendum is? Is she /ourgirl/?

She left to live in Japan because she was afraid of all the people that disapproved of her weeb lifestyle

Turkey should be a really shitty place.
I hope it gets nuked someday.

Source?

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She posted on Twitter about how she hoped for 'No' to win and that she is upset that Erdogan won.

Eastern Europe and the Balkans are no better at accepting these kinds of choices.

Why does he look so afraid?

hmm

Because the Americans are probably still trying to kill him

nah

Read a history book

What's that got to do with Erdogan?

ew
At least disable cortana you fag, it's like you want to be listened to.

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I dont think so. Missouri will be purged.

SHOO SHOO t*rkroach!

SHOO SHOO t*rkroach!

Calling them roaches is too nice tbh, roaches are resilient and cool, turks aren't.

video of protests continuing tonight:
twitter.com/Conflicts/status/854065603975532544

Breaking News:
https: //www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvowiQ8MD_k

BASED Telesur releases film detailing the circumstances of repression for the opposition party HDP days before the referendum. Also a more up close personal look at Turkey's political climate.

Sounds a lot like America.

So when can we expect Turkey to collapse into civil war? Seems like this whole thing may be part of the US's strategy in the region. Since the American public was massively against going into Syria, Trump and the neocons may want to destabilize their neighbors to try to accomplish the same goal without a direct attack.