Greetings I am 4/pol/

Greetings I am 4/pol/
So why is the modern left so supportive of islam? I'm pretty sure Marx said at some point that it's incompatible with anything non-islamic,

Get killed

Old school commies probably thought of faggotry as of bourg retardation (which it in fact is at least to some extenct) but I doubt they'd want faggots to be killed just because of their faggotry. Unlike islam.

Go back to the kitchen

Whatever might be written in the Quran, islam functions as de facto arab supremancy unless it's reinterpreted by other cultures

Islamic states are proletarian paradises to be sure

That would be some real 8D domino because islam is what pushed the people so far toward the right nowadays.

Call them whatever you want but literally every leftist I've met is either supportive or at least silent about islamic attrocities. I've even seen it here too.

Sorry I guess

If anything it's the right wing that should be more interested in islam because there are more similarities between far right and islam than there are between the left and islam.

Because the modern left is more like the modern "left". They've abandoned class struggle for identity politics and thus perfectly serve the interests of capital. SJWs and neo-nazis form a mirror image of eachother.

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Why did they abandon the class struggle? Proles are still around even though less numerous. Most of them are probably voting for the right wing now, though.

Any religion only exists the strengthen the cultural superstructure friendo. We might not have Sharia Law, but we do/did have


and probably others that I've forgotten. That's just in the US. My point is that ISLAMISM as a form of govt is pretty backwards, but the bourgeoisie will always use religion as a means of control. Saudi Wahhabism and Sharia Law exist only to subjugate populations by using religion as a justification. Gay marriage was recently illegal because "it's an abomination under God", but in reality it breaks up the strongest source of political socialization, the family.

All in all, believe what you want to believe, be a muslim if you want to, but don't come around here talking out the side of your neck acting like this shit hasn't been done by every religion that has existed.

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We aren't. Islam is reactionary. What we do support is the struggle of the Middle Eastern people against imperialism. Throughout the past 15 years, over a million Muslims died due to imperialist interventions and Zionism. We just recognize that Muslims have been at the bottom of the food chain since a while now. Most of the islamist terror organizations like ISIS and Al Qaida were actually created as American proxies and are not genuinely arising because semiotic people are inherently fanatic, medieval zealots.

Arab nationalism is anti-imperialist as it threatens the supremacy of the petrodollar, which gives power to the Fed by forcing every country to have the US-Dollar as a backup currency.

Because it's a very bad long term strategy to try to get rid of any major religion.

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Islam is garbage

Cold War. Being an actual commie would have made you an outcast in society till 1991. And now the liberal propaganda about "gommunism killed 100 gazillion people" will drive people to the cultural 'leftists' obsessed with identity politics.

It's similar to why most of the new right are not fascists but mostly just patriotic lolbergs with actually reactionary values.

Social justice is a conspiracy from the US government to divert the left of socio-economic problems.

I hate Islam the religion but ultimately Islam is the same shit as Christianity. I don't mind Christians as long as they keep their shit to their self so the same logic applies to Muslims. Fuck being a dick to Muslims doing nothing wrong.

I can understand the reasoning behind this I don't even mind Arabs having their own countries and implementing whatever ideology they want.
The point is that most leftist thinkers support importing muslim people to the West. The only prominent philosopher on the left I think off that's an exception to this is Zizek and even he's quite moderate.


I don't care about christianity and I'm not going to defend it with but it's probably going to be dead by 2100 anyway. Islam will probably still be around and it's harder to tame than christianity.


If that's the case, the left is tot.


Well there's a different between christian who's whining about masturbation and an islamic terrorist with a truck of peace.
I assume you're an atheist. Would you rather live in christian or muslim state?

You need to understand that capitalism commodifies and uses literally everything that does not engage in class struggle and thus threatens the capitalist system. This is how the capitalist system manages to survive.
As this user here already said, tumblr SJWs, Nazis, islamists and all the other liberal idpol movements all serve the capitalists interests, by distracting the people from class struggle.

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You should realize a lot of Arab liberation movements used to be about secular nationalism or were even left-wing - pretty much all of the theocratic regimes and terrorist organisations can be traced back to some sort of American meddling. All of them.

Got any plan to counter it? I understand that you want to englighten people about the class struggle and shit but blacks, muslims and strong womyn are so easily spooked into idpol that it's ridiculous and they are becoming more powerful and numerous. For every professor I've met who mentioned class at all there were ten who were only butthurt about race relations, genocides that happened in the past and the like. And I'm not even from the western country.
Notice how even black commies are ultimately more about race struggle than class struggle.


I can agree with that but there's always danger of arabs going full islamic unless the islam is utterly destroyed or castrated like christianity.
The US influenced those nations but it wouldn't be so easy to do if they weren't muslim to begin with because nearly all interpretations of islam encourage violence directed towards infidels to various extent.

Most (90%+) Muslims are more equivalent to the Christian whining about masturbating than to Nice Road Trucker.

Medieval European cities and villages, Puritan settlements in New England.

Saudi Arabia, Iran, etc.

I pick neither. Christianity is no more peaceful or civilized than Islam. Its countries just got secularized, whereas most of Islam's haven't.

I wouldn't say modern Muslims are more averse to secularization than early modern Christians. I think, perhaps, with the invention of the early forms of capitalism, Europeans realized they could become more powerful with economics than religion, and so it fell out of favor.


I hate to agree with a tankie, but he's right here.

Additionally, while Arabs and Persians were trying to liberate themselves from Western control (which is still on-going), there were two popular ideas of how to do that: leftist-ish nationalism or Islamic extremism (both are bad IMO). The West crushed the one it thought was the greater threat, preventing revolutionary potential in MENA from taking a somewhat viable avenue and the authoritarian theocracies that followed continue to suppress anything vaguely leftist.

It doesn't really matter whether it's 10%, 90% or 2% that are radicals. What's important is that they in fact affect the society and you can already see this in some western countries.

Not really relevant today but I understand that you want to point our that christianity made shitholes too. Agreed.
However, islam is more political and materialist in it's nature so I think that it would be harder to separate it from the state.

This so much. I radical Islam is shit and all, but over the last few decades the so called secular, enlightend, democratic west has killed far more Muslims than Mu slims have killed westerns. And if the west really wanted to stop it the first step would be stop fucking supporting it. Not any meme shit like droping a MOAB or a burka ban or travel ban or whatever spectacular crap the us decides next.

Also, I would like to point out that secularization of christian countries has been one-way road so far. Muslims switching back to fundamentalism on the other hand happened a couple of times.

Id like to see the statistics you used to draw that conclusion.

War. More than one.

No need to look further than Iraq tbh.

What the nations that didn't participate in this but are still forced or encouraged to take the refugees?
I do agree that the West turned the place into a shithole but it doesn't mean that we should turn Europe into shithole too especially not the countries that didn't cause this.

Id still like to see the numbers.

Like did the west kill ten times more muslims than they lost. Or a thousand times?

And how many more muslim on muslim killings there were?

What's the point if the Muslim killing the other one is just an American proxy?

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Not to mention how many Americans were killing Sunnis while acting as shiite proxies and vice versa.

I assume you're posting this ironically but I'm afraid that there are people out there in universities who are so buttblasted about the US that they're ready to support a political entity that murders everyone, enemies of the US included.

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Yeah they do

I'm pretty vocal about Islamic atrocities and I'm pretty far left on the social scale.

Nah, you won't find suh cases on unis, reddit and twitter commies on the other hand are more like what you describe.

If you're talking about #IllRideWithYou and other similar other-fetishizing liberal shit, the answer is exactly what you think: Muslims are mostly brown, and non-Western

If you're talking about support for anti-imperialist struggles, that's pretty much a hallmark of the real left. It varies how far that goes–some tankies shill for Assad, for example. We also count ignore that internationalism in the 20th century made inroads in the Middle East, socialism had power there at various points (but was also infused with Islam)

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I can see why some fat tumblrina could hold these views but I don't understand why there is a whole system of political correctness that includes academia, media, politicians and other people who are probably not retarded.
If they spend so much resources on this bullshit they do it for a reason.

it isn't

Low-level academics do it because most are just typical social liberals. When you start talking about the real influencers and the think-tanks, however, you'd be surprised how much Gulf money flows into them.

Focusing on some shitlib social science professor is useless, when the people who hold real power are taking Saudi money all the time.

Not entirely true - since 1980 in Anerica with the start of the Moral Majority, state secularism has actually been kinda slipping. Sure, there was always a strong element of religious feeling in the people, but the actual theological intervention into the state structure's comparitively new in modern terms. I'd be cautious about that.

Because identity politics. Islam is inherently reactionary. We even got these apologists here, it's that prevalent in leftist and even radically leftist circles.