Fighting for gay rights is liberal idpol, communism will solve oppression

explain

tankies are retarded (which explains why at least 30% of this board's posters are too)

/explanation

Cultural hegemony can be used to suppress these minorities out of exsistance. No man no problem.

Tbf everybody was very fucking homophobic back then and basically countries had some form of anti gay laws so while I don't like Stalin and I respect Castro in some ways, but he was quite a flawed individual and I'm not a tankie/Marxist Leninist they weren't any worse than any other person at the time

Holla Forums, how is it that you manage to get so angry with an ideology when you don't even have the faintest idea what it is?

this is a horrible misrepresentation of our position

What is idpol then?

either you're a falseflagging Holla Forumslack or a faggot from /r/socialism, either way fuck off because posts like those are cancer killing Holla Forums

Castro didn't do it intentionally and stopped it when he found out about it. Cuba is actually very good on the gay right record and the Castro family is involved in activism for it.
In the USSR it was an anti-pedo law which unfortunately targeted gays.
Either way that's not our position and neither Cuba nor the USSR are/were communist.

USSR was progressive concerning gays if you compare it to the West at that time.

You can't just apply the standards of 2017 to 1930. Marx himself held some racist views.

Stalin was spooked to the core and Castro has backpedalled on persecuting homos

Yeah? Why?

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My point is: If it wasn't for identity politics people would still be as opposed to gays as they were back then. And communist tendencies didn't seem to make you less homophobic. So why is this board so opposed to identity politics?

'identity politics' are merely a more sophisticated mechanism of control better suited to the current economic structure.

Denying Homsexuals rights is also Identity Politics. Being against Identity Politics just means you leave them the fuck alone. You don't infringe their rights but you also don't wave a fucking rainbow flag. Both is equally cancer.

no they wouldn't
yes they did
because it is neither sufficient nor necessary to the real movement which abolishes the present state of things.

Wrong.

But infringment of rights is usually the default position and waving the rainbow flag the reaction to it

So how did acceptance of homosexuality come about?

ie. the society of control, classifying people into groups so you can sell them stuff, tell them what to think, a step up from the purely repressive tactics of disciplinary societies

What's a "default position"? If something doesn't hold up to scientific, materialist standards it's ought to be abolished. In the early modern age it was the default position to get accused of witchcraft.

And no, waving rainbow flags is IdPol faggotery which is used to justify the liberal state of affairs.

OP, idpol is sometimes justified, as it was in the fight for gay rights and with the civil rights movement, for instance. It only becomes bad when people want to talk exclusively about it and exclude economic class. MLK was a socialist, which isn't commonly known, and the bourgeoisie would prefer to keep it that way.

Another case: US age of consent laws are goddamn ridiculous and should be changed to be more in line with biological fact, but there's a sizable portion of "progressives" who want to keep robbing people of their rights because they're spooked as fuck, don't know the first fucking thing about the topic and don't care to learn because they're too fucking arrogant to admit that they might have been bamboozled by the media hysteria, and that same arrogance is what makes them think they deserve to be allowed to tell other people who they can consent to fucking. However, if you examine their level of knowledge on other subjects it very often becomes clear that they don't have any room to criticize anyone else's maturity level, but since when has a lack of knowledge ever stopped people from touting their half-baked opinions as God's gift to the world? Socialism by itself won't solve this because merely enacting a socialist system won't magically make people be rational.

tl;dr kill tankies and anarcho-tankies