What's the Holla Forums stance on the porn industry? Or just porn in general?

never

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It's bad because it gives women jobs.

Gay and tranny porn is fine, by the way.

Entry-Tier

Professional is filled with naive 18-year olds and emotinally damaged women. It's quite exploitative.

Amateur is fine for the most part.

work is naturally exploitative under capitalism, sex work just adds another level to the exploitation

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Amateur porn is porn of the proletariat

They are, but they're not forced or manipulated into doing anything.

…okay

into the gas chamber it goes

Tfw Mandy Muse will never be ur good friend and fuck buddy :c

Don't make me cry, user

I'm a reactionary sadfag, but I'm fine with girls with tattoos, they can look great. Punk rock aesthetic girlfriend would be a dream.

they look like shit on women and men. every retard and his dog is getting tattoos these days. clean-skinned people are becoming a minority and it makes me sick

Oh look, it's one of those threads again.
Lemme resume so nobody waste their time here.

There we go.
Now everybody more along.

Tattoos can accentuate features.

Ehh. Even if everybody got tattoos, if they got good tattoos it could be neat. As a general rule tattoos don't look good, but they can, and if people put effort into it it would be kind of interesting.

they accentuate mental defectiveness

The industry is porky as fuck and puts out shit and unoriginal content, something it shares with Hollywood. It especially fucks over performers because they're legally contract labor, which means after getting their check they won't see anything more from a scene despite being expected to promote it. That's not even touching novelties or dick pills or whatever other shit they sell.

Porn itself is fine, there's nothing inherently wrong with watching people doing stuff and masturbating to it. I hope we'd get cooler shit in socialism, but seeing as most people are vanilla I doubt we'll see a massive proliferation of kink. Still would be nice to see a subqt get sodomised and tied up without worrying about losing their job or whatever and without having to settle for Kink.com's lame shit.

tnx, man.
you can always send him some stuff.

bdsm is purile, vulgar trash

You must like ass to mouth because your taste is shit.

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Somebody got dumped by a bitch with a tat lol

Homemade is the way to go.

fucking puritanfags, what a sad life

BDSM is generally so boring and basic, and the people behind it act like they're a brotherhood of deviants. There's nothing transgressive about tying up a girl and whipping her. I can understand why cannibals feel twisted, being a petplayer barely registers as a personality trait.

I'm not that guy, but people like you annoy the shit out of me. "lol this loser hates fun" normalfags are retarded, defensive faggots whose social conformity makes them hostile towards anything more substantial than hedonism. You're cancer.

Only if you're on a chan where faggots get off on monstergirls and vore. Irl finding a grill whose into anything more than getting called a whore is rare and it's even worse for guys into femdom.

Not an argument.

this is the antithesis of eroticism. seek help

But what if the woman consents?

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lol bullshit. rape, bondage and rough sex are the most popular kinks among women. try finding a woman who isn't into at least one of those to some degree

i was referring to consensual sex

my friend, please, don't be so butthurt let me do that for you~

Oh shit it's the sexist TorPedo poedo?

Completely worthless sexuality because maybe 2% of women are sexually dominant.

A ton of girls are at least into rough, submissive sex, and most like light strangling.

Literally the epitome of exploitation.

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You've confused popular kink with popular in the general population. Most people are fairly vanilla, the average grill you meet isn't going to want to be choked or tied up. At most they'll be into getting called a whore or a bitch while being fucked, but they certainly won't be down for anything really rough.

Well it's not like there's huge standards to being a malesub, just look at Slave Ray.

Rip slave ray, you were an absolute madman

femsub BDSM is boring unoriginal trash, followed by femdom, which is also mostly shit. The homos are the only ones with non-shit kinks.

Pleb-tier

Nice kinkshaming you shit lord

sex-coop. Let the sex workers ran that shit on their own.

Faggots have similar kinks to straightfags, except a higher percentage and they fuck more. According to my faggot roommate most are into sadism and bondage.

It's probably a lot shittier than you imagine, since:

1 you need to stop constantly to get better filming angles, which stops your headspace

2 the things you will do will done because they look good, but don't feel good

3 the domme will be some shitty porn stars who knows jack shit about femdom and doesn't like it

4 good luck about your parents finding out

Sub/dom behavior is to some extent culturally conditioned. I am a sub guy but every women I've been with has also been sub so I end up having to be dominant in bed. At first I hated it, but I started to like it over time and now I'm more of a switch.

Likewise, I have successfully coaxed ultra-submissive girls into being at least somewhat assertive through positive reinforcement and encouragement.

who is she

Mandy Muse.

Sex work is work with the added insult of a culture of shame and scrutiny that forces women that do it into the underclass.
Unionization of sex workers and the banning of all brothels, strip clubs and porn studios not owned and controlled by the workers should be the primary focus of the modern feminist movement.

You're spooked as fuck, my dude.

KYS

Turning submissive women into assertive ones is a fetish/kink I never knew I had until now.

bait/10

What are you, some kind of kiddie fiddler? It should be at least 45. You only want to exploit poor, innocent 30-year-olds because you can't handle a real mature woman, you sexist shit lord. Now start liking my used-up vagina or you're a rapist.

Yeah, my ex was a sub by under my influence she went switch. She liked to slap and peg other women and one time we dp'd an ex of hers. Last I heard she is in a relationship with another female switch.

Something else I like is what I call the spartacus fetish, where the sub takes control and brutually dominates the dom. No porn of it that I know but it's pretty hot, sadly opprtunities to do it are few and far between.

If I can't pay a fat women 300$ to fuck her on camera in a hotel, then charge people to download it with a subscription, THEN WHAT FREEDOM DO I REALLY HAVE?

Pro shot porn i don't even watch because its just so tacky and horrible.

The plots suck and the fucking is even more cheesy. You can see a lot of free homemade porn that is really great these days. That stuff is awesome.

As for people that want to "ban porn" wholesale, well, they can pretty much fuck themselves. I'm cool with it as long as it is mutually agreed upon and isn't using underage people or something really shady like that.

sticky this post tbh

i prefer amateur tbh

Amateur porn sucks.
They don't know how to film, they don't know how edit stuff, they don't know about camera angles, they don't know about lighting and most importantly they don't know how to fuck.
All you amateurnazis have extremely plebeian tastes.

I jerk off to it and that's about the extent of my thoughts on it. The "it's exploitative" shit is nonsense. All work is exploitative under capitalism. It's no less respectable than any office job in America.

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better than that, he's bragging that people who are IRL having sex don't know how to have sex because he's watched a lot of porn and it happens differently in fiction.

figures
every western "artist" should be hanged

What happens when some underage people make porn of themselves? Are you going to punish them? Are you going to say they can't consent to making porn of themselves and putting it on the internet themselves?

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muh orcs vs humans

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You're either a virgin or have a very boring sex life. You know, woman are lustful, do perverted shit and scream in real life too. It's not just an act for the camera.

That's production of child porn.
That's what the "under" part of "underage" means. They're under the age of consent.
That's distribution of child porn.

Under capitalism its basically sex wage slavery. Under Socialism a large amount of porn would go away and would be made only be people who want to make it.

Anyone who makes porn of themselves clearly understands what they're doing, because it's impossible to make porn of yourself if you don't. Or are they somehow exploiting themselves? You seriously want to punish people for something they did to themselves?

Shit
Inevitable

No selling of Porn will be allowed.

Watch "Did communists have better sex".

No selling of anything will be allowed you succdem.

There's no free choice under capitalism. There is a whole system out there designed to promote and facilitate the exploitation of children

Well, yes, but we need to start the transaction somewhere.

I say we start by assinged necessity items rationing, banning of selling porn, vidya and other forms of artistic expression and reassingment of housing.

What does capitalism have to do with making porn of yourself? Are you saying that under socialism it'll be fine for anyone to film themselves boning if they like?

well i heard worse plans i guess

Yes, but not for profit.
Like we're back in GDR.

I mean.. at least it's a plan!

And that's actually a point in favor for professional porn. Because in pro shots the girls usually get fucked by a big dicked stallion that actually knows how to ram and fuck, something completely different of being fucked by your boring small dicked boyfriend on camera.

r u gay?

I'll be honest, the age of consent in the United States seems like a spook. A person can be trusted to drive a fucking automobile at the age of 16, but is somehow incapable of choosing a sexual partner? It reeks of puritanical bullshit.

murrika

And you take pleassure in watching stalions or whatever, why?
And this is "in favor" why?
I thought we were against capitalism and its illusions..

And that's why you make everything 18. … Oh wait.. you can't survive without a car in the US…

Any advantage in production value professional porn has comes at the expense of passion. The longest dicks in porn struggle to keep it up and the thickest pump so much it looks flaccid. I want to see a woman scream in pleasure while getting fucked hard, not see some dude packing the tip of a limp noodle into a 5'2" girl with camera shots to show more of his dick than her tits.

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Oh my god, I literally can't believe what I just literally read. You don't know how crucial those last two years are, because it's not like you experienced them or anything! You can't make decisions about your own body yet, except for the decision to get behind the wheel of a 2,000 pound powered battering ram that can easily kill someone! But don't worry, we enlightened liberals and our degrees will be here to guide you! Our studies that say we need to control your lives are great and 100% scientifically accurate, even the ones about violent videogames turning people into murderers that we disavowed! If you disagree you're an uneducated rube who's being fooled into thinking you can decide things for yourself! Having sex even one day below 18 (really 25, but I *sigh* guess we can let you get away with 18) is rape, just like looking at a woman while being less than 8/10 and making less than $250,000 annually, or sitting on the New York subway with your legs open too far! Now go and repent of your thoughtcrime by saying 10 Hail Anitas.

All industries are ultimately exploitative and intellectual property is intellectual theft. Porn is pretty great though, especially 2D stuff.

Nah, porn genuinely fucks up growing kids minds for real

going after that shit was the worst mistake i ever did in my life and i dont think id be the sexually timid guy i am today if i had never touched porn

I don't think it was porn that damaged you. If anything the people who avoid porn end up even more fucked up. Society itself is fundamentally broken and the values it promotes are borderline insanity.

That said, 3DPD stuff is almost all complete shit. I don't know what anyone would get out of any of it.

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I'm pretty sure porn wasn't the primary culprit, maybe the combination of World of Warcraft, anonymous imageboards, Zone Archive, and a diet chalked full of artifial dyes/Preservatives was what caused it.

big shock

This is your mind on porn.

back to reddit kiddo

Why not at the age of 8???

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t. Murray Rothbard

More proof it's actually a depiction of your true intentions in life and basicly you should watch this.

dailymotion.com/video/x222wl0_do-communists-have-better-sex_shortfilms

any generic sjw reddit

t. Young Earth Creationist

Oh, I'm sorry, which particular part of 21st century human civilization would you describe as civilized?
The endless commodity fetishism? The mass starvation? Kids dying from preventable diseases? Daytime TV being more popular than politics and education? Wars fought to enrich billionaires at the cost of poor people's lives? Advertising and the fact that human decision making is as exploitable as an un-patched Windows XP machine? Every aspect of the criminal "justice" system?

t. Post-Hegelian anti-Lorentzian shitposter

thats what happened and i dont see how it isnt porns fault

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So some time around puberty you started fapping, and some time around puberty you started to find yourself becoming incredibly awkward and socially inept around women.
Have you considered that the cause of both might be puberty?

I mean, how many times did you have totally comfortable, confident, easy-going sex with women before you started fapping? I'm guessing zero.

why not 16 tho

we're reaching levels of gestell that shouldn't even possible

If you actually went outside for once and were able to interact with people you would know they aren't all starving, dying of disease or imprisoned on some phony charges. Most of them are quite happy even.

Sadly, you won't. Going on the internet to build a mental picture of a horror show happening before your front door is much more convenient for you, just like you prefer porn to actual women, you prefer political doom porn to the actual world.

Why not 30?
Seriously, even people in their 20s are morons unfit to raise a child.

I don't think there's a human on the planet that's fit to raise a child. That's not the topic at hand btw.

Yep. Bad things are happening in other countries, but we all know that those people aren't real people. If I can't see it from my house, it doesn't matter. Vote Hillary, enjoy your nice comfortable middle class neighborhood, and don't forget to drink Coke for that delicious refreshing taste.

It kind of is. Why would you let someone have sex if they are clearly incapable of comprehending their inability to cope with the consequences of it?

Strange, they seem quite capable of enduring it, while you collapse under the thought of what they go through. Are they so strong, are you so weak, or might it be that it isn't about them, that they are pornographic, existing purely as a means of release for your load of anguish?

Because they're gonna do it anyways and there's a higher chance they're gonna make damage if they have to hide instead of having received sex ed and not having been conditioned into thinking that sex is filth.

Also the idea that incest is somehow wrong or "evil" is another major spook in that the western world buys into. As long as people are aren't actively creating inbred off spring, I cant see anyway it could be negative. Think about it, your mother is usually the first women you have close contact with, and share an environment with on a daily basis, so how would sexual contact with someone close like that have any detrimental effect, (apart from living in constant fear of the state breaking apart your family, and in-prisoning your loved ones). If anything it would probably be healthy and result in a well adjusted person, and who's to say this wasn't the common when we were hunter gatherers, considering that other primates like bonobos regularly engage in incest.

you're correct
but i shouldve gotten over it some time. i mean i thought having sex would solve my problems but i have and im still struggling with porn.

For exactly that reason.

children as a "consequence" of sex is the most forced reactionary meme ever.
youtube.com/watch?v=Vjn4cFfglSU

In a non-retarded society reproduction will be an opt-in, not an opt-out, mandatory vasectomies for all boys.
Artificial uteruses would be great too.

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To start with I don't think any of your arguments are made in good faith.
First you claim that suffering doesn't exist, then you claim I'm weak for acknowledging it. Those are the arguments of a troll, not a serious poster.

You're not even right that I "collapse under the thought of it". If anything it has made me emotionally jaded and deeply misanthropic. The problem isn't confined to an evil big bad or even a subset of individuals. The problem is systematic. Guilt does not exist, or if it does it's shared across all 7 billion individuals.

I can tell people how they could fix the world, but they won't listen. My own actions as an individual can only have a negligible impact on the system as a whole. The only rational solution is to stop giving a shit and just use what little influence I have to enrich myself.

It isn't limited to kids. The overwhelming majority of adults are totally unequipped to understand the emotional complexities of human relationships, let alone more esoteric practices like BDSM. Even if you eliminate all of the physical risks of sex, you've still got huge emotional ones. Just look at the divorce rate.

Parent-child incest is shit, but sibling incest is a wonderful thing.

And could this have something to do with the greater socioeconomic system, and basicly read Reich?

I find this hard to believe.

Sounds to me like we are not well informed in order to set an arbitrary age of responsibility for humans…
What if we assign science to it?

Look. As long as you don't have kids, do whatever you want, but don't expect me to accept it as "normal".

Talk about ideology!

I didn't, but seeing that you take my post as claiming such does show your extreme black-white thinking. I do think you're legitimately autistic, and if that's the case I might have been a little rude in my post to you.

I claim you are weak for collapsing under the fact that there are people dying of diseases somewhere and so on, not for merely knowing that such happens.

No, you most likely collapsed under something else, or maybe you were never able to stand on your feet. Fact is that you claim to be a miserable person due to facts of life that others can live with it, I don't it is those facts, those are just confirmation you look for.

So there's people, and there's diseases, and you know what to do, but you don't control the world so you can't, which leads to the conclusion that you should be a miserable edgelord.

Yes, let's escape restrictions by being a slave and let's call it a fantasy because in fantasy everything is allowed and if you call a lived reality fantasy it isn't real because i don't talk about it like it is.

That's just a shitty spook I doubt you'd even be able to adequately define.

Gotchu fam.

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every fucking time, it's honestly sickening

Pussy is for making babies, my dude.
Real sex is anal sex.

Agreed, tattoos are disgusting.

I've always found this r9k tier hatred of tattoos weird. It's completely irrelevant

People with autism get set off by too much colours.

Maybe because some of us think the human body looks better without being permanently scarred by graffiti.

spooks

Most tattoos look like unidentifiable grey blobs from some distance after a few years. Tattoos are dumb.

turns potential marxists-feminists into self-made self-employed powerful bootstrapping libertarian capitalists that support strong intellectual property rights and anti-piracy legislation

Degenerate
Degenerate but I don't blame people for watching it, and I understand why its gaining popularity which is due to anomie, ennui, atomization and of course the culture industry (Techno-Capitalism). I have given up on hating people who debase themselves with kinks and fetishes and weird virtual reality images of themselves as Sexual Beings and ultimately the cultural rot that they produce and propagate. Its all a symptom of the culture industry and shouldn't be focused on autistically like Social Conservatives do.

Everything looks like a blob from a distance

Is cannibalism a symptom of the food industry, are stabbings a symptom of the knife industry?

tattoos are commonly a signifier of psychological pain. when i see a girl with tattoos, what i really see is "i was molested" or "i have daddy issues" or "i hate myself and will threaten suicide if you leave me"

It also took me years of intensively watching the dudes in straight porn before I realized I was bisexual, you'll come to terms with it eventually

Those are purely economic industries the culture industry is concerned with the control of human consciousness and the enslavement of the human nervous system's reward-pleasure-pain-fear dynamics to an all encompassing invasive machine-surveillance-money making apparatus. Which is rapidly accelerating every day with vidya and netflix and YT and file sharing and image boards and reddit and 24/7 news and podcasts. Its all pushing towards one desired outcome which is total submission of the psyche and body to techno-capitalism. This in part implies hijacking the reward center in the brain and warping people's perceptions of biological relations between the sexes and between fellow members of the species, and necessarily involves a commodification and defilement of the body for the sake of performance art and amusement. Its all sort of banal as well, because the average amature orgy is pathetic not evil, its just pathetic gross uninteresting often drugged up people who could hardly be called lovers behaving like retarded frenzied animals. That's not evil like Holla Forums thinks it is. What's evil is the reason they are so quick to do what they do and the culture that markets, accomodates and often engenders that lifestyle. The framed fantasy scenarios that relate to the fetishes and the warped virtual reality, play-pretend, cartoonish nature of role playing and other weird S&M shit is why its so compatible with techno-capitalism which if you examine the psyche of Holla Forums and normie Liberals is basically that of a cartoonish, sociopathic robopathic infantilized worker droid/insect. This behavior which is ridiculous and anti-social and deranged is exactly what comes out of a system and a technological device (which it all is, one device) that is designed to consume culture and people and resources and produce nothing.

I'm against porn if it's exploitative.

t. Freud

Tattoos are popular and not the end of the world, deal with it.

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all work is exploitive under capitalism and state socialism

sex work also reproduces capitalism more obviously than other labour.
sex work just adds - stigma
sexist? - women may have a harder time in the 'normal' economy so turn to it
-less formal health and safety (a lot of girls in porn escort too)

I'm also extremely addicted to it.

lmao, you can just tell who the Holla Forums converts are itt

you don't see a lot of rich people making porn of themselves.

the people who do it might be generally having fun making porn of themselves, but they also might be forced to do it to pay rent and for food and decide it's not as bad as starving. That isn't much of a choice.

This very obviously changes their body into a product, and perhaps alienates them from themselves, could alienate them from social (friends/family) due to stigma

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Science says you're fit to have sex when you hit puberty. Age of consent in many places is 14, like here. A lot of people don't even know it is.

Sure, but there's a risk the scientists are wrong. We should set some safe minimum, say 25, and if the scientists find the "correct" age to be less than that they should be imprisoned for pedophilia.

You have access to the banking account of amateur porn actors?

"Sex work" is not labor and I imagine after communism is instituted there will eventually be a cultural shift away from being so over-sexed (women in particular).

exceptions prove the rule

I believe there are uncovered parts to your sexuality, user. Women aren't obsessed with dick size.

good because there's lots of them

…it hurts, bros.

The thing with traps is that while their butts might look nice and their clothing is cute, their faces are never ever passable

Top tier fetish

That's not true at all. When they say they don't care about it they are saying it just to be nice.
Women are more forgiving when it comes to the overall appearance and physical attributes when they look for a partner except for two things:
Height and dick size.
If you are a manlet or if you have a short dick then you are fucked.

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do want

they're a bunch of highschoolers that parrot pseudo-Holla Forums shit because it makes them sound smart

you might need to post more I'm still on the fence about it

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Implying people's skin isn't their own

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what are you, gay?

name?

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Somik chan.

Hnnnng

I'll reword that. 4 and 8/r9k/ are mostly underage so they post "meen and toxic XDDD" things to fit in.

Gay porn where it's at

smh fam

Both are excellent things. Just don't know where I can get much ladyboy porn that aren't just a fucking image

Gay kink is prety based fam

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literally any fucking porn site. even /gif/ usually has a thread

What? Nigga just use any pornsite or a board here.

If you're over 5'8" you're going to be taller than most burger women and at that point they prefer looks over height. There's a reason my highschool gf wanted to fuck Zac Efron and not Leonardo Di Caprio.

Most prefer above average, not big. Anything over a real 7-7.5" shaft is going to be hard to get in and over a real 5.5" girth is going to be a tight fit. It certainly looks cool but no anal and teeth when you get your dick sucked ain't great.

t.5'9" with a 8x5.5" cock

Why not?

After a certain thickness it's too hard for most women to fit it in comfortably, assuming they didn't have time to keep a plug up their ass.

all shit because of exploitation of workers. porn is a disgusting industry.

2D can stay

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Um, you mean awesome monster hentai

Why don't you do something about it?

it's a shame I know

Okay. If you expect something to be done right it's better to just do it yourself.

Do you have any Abella Danger?

Nope only her brazzers porn videos.

webms or can't post?

They're full length brazzers videos.

Probably too big of file size

Fuck, all I got is some hogtied shit and I'd like to see that ass filled.

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There's some porn in it, but it is depressingly sparse

Here, have these

youtube.com/watch?v=MW4wCeLfsEg

do you have Space Whores?

god's work

EAT SHIT SEXHAVERS

Because /r9k/ & Holla Forums are always among us.

you could have sex too if you weren't so autistic

Kelsi Monroe is another good one

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So is Kendra Lust

and Jynx Maze

tf is wrong with american women

Fuck off low test beta

Christy Mack was pretty good too.

t. salty burger

UF.
Me voy a morir.
I need this.

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Tattooed women turn me off.

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More for me then.

My favorite porn video right now is Don't Bring your sister near me by Brazzers.

Guy cheats on his ugly wife with her bimbo sister. At the end she catches them.

Shits hot the bimbo has a great body

Prefer old porn, and I see nothing wrong with porn, though it shouldn't be an "industry" like we have now. Just got done watching Taboo II. Great film. It's like one of my Japanese eroanimes. Junior-kun is best MC.

Nigga mention the bitch's name if u gonna talk her up like that.

Her name is Nicolette Shea

Ok I guess. As far as fake titty blondes go 2nd pic is better. And fuck you faggots for making me dig through my porn folders.

One thing that bothers me about getting rid of capitalism is that I think bimbos are a uniquely capitalistic trend.
Fuck.

Second one is Nicole Aniston who is different.

A good video of her is Nicoles work is never done by Brazzers

bump

Oh casey calvert…ive watched her take miles of dick up her ass
Best jewess ever

How the hell is it not labor?

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Even amateur stuff can involve self-exploitation; "amateur" merely means that it is not done by a professional studio or stars professional porn-starts - it can still be made for profit or least involve a profit even if not made specifically for profit. I.e. it can still be exchange-value production even if it's just a husband and wife and their shitty home-cam.

Any involvement of money would also involve a commodification of human sexuality.

Thus: if it is alianable, it cannot be acceptable by socialist standards. Only erotica produced out of and for sheer pleasure and distributed for free with no profit involved is non-alianated labour. And only then is the product not a commodity; i.e. use-value production.

do you people type these things with a straight face?

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What does sex work produce?

babies and STDs

We live in an age when the UN makes conferences about cyberviolence.

Sounds like a leftcom.

Entertainment?

It produces cum out of your wiener.

Is this the solution on how to overcome racism?

well Holla Forums is at the same time obsessed with this shit and utterly outraged by it so i'm going with yes.

Dunno man, I don't like it when there are more poles than holes.

That's some shitty math

Let's take a moment of silence to remember the indomitable spirit of our comrade Slave Ray. He was taken from us unexpectedly, but he's killing pigs with Sacco and Vanzetti now.

There's 2 poles and 3 holes so there's room for one more then.

Oh you know I mean pussyholes. More men than women is an instant turn-off. The number of women must be equal or higher, tho I haven't worked out the formula for optimization yet.

2 women for every man is the golden rule.
One woman sits on his dick the other on his face.
Both women are facing each other and can have philosophical conversations and/or stimulate each other as the guy works his dick and tongue to really drive the pleasure through their supple bodies and he receives the same amount of pleasure in exchange.
Any socialist who doesn't uphold this standard is not my comrade.

There is so much fucking untapped potential in porn when it comes to the production. They know how to make shit that's sexy but try finding a JOI with decent acting and believable set-ups.

'Self-exploiation' is when an independent small-business owner, artistan, or co-op, is pressured by market forces to act in the same manner as a capitalist boss would, or otherwise simply fail at their business endeavour. This is the reason that workers can't simply quit their job and create cooperatives and voila! - we aren't being exploited by capitalits and their agents (the people) so much as by capitalism (the system); by the law of value.

Failure to understand self-exploitation indicates a failure to understand the law of value, and a tendency to identity the system (capitalism) with the people who carry out the acts needed to keep it going (bosses, managers, etc.)

In other words, if I make 'amateur porn', but do so for money, then it does not matter that I technically own the means of production (my body and camera) and that I have no boss. I may still be 'forced' to preform acts I'm not really into at times when I'm not in the mood for them or in ways I don't really like because that's what sells and I need to sell my product in order to make money. It's still alienated labour, it's still exchange-value production. Essentially, I am no different then artistans in Marx's time except that I make smut and not shoes or bread. But the same basic analysis applies, only different being that there is a further problem in that I contribute to the commodification of human sexuality.

Pleasure is received according to need and provided according to ability!!!

If that's what you meant you should have said pussy, which isn't as good as the ass.

It's 2 females to 1 male.

Someone learned sex from capitalist pornography, huh? non-market sex is less about spectacle and more about the people

That's because the people who are producing the content don't have that fetish, thus they do not understand what exactly makes it hot.
Just another argument in favor of amateur.

that's not what exploitation is. exploitation is about, among other things, surplus value. you can't extract surplus value from yourself. yes capitalism is shit and people are still forced to produce ad infinitum, doesn't mean they are exploited, just that they are under a shitty economic system.
now if they are producing amateur porn for a company which gives them a percentage of what their product made, they are exploited - BY SOMEONE ELSE, not by themselves.

every relation is an exchange of some sort user, doesn't mean it implies accumulation.

You guys think like capitalists.
Each hole that goes unused is a hole wasted.
It makes no sense to waste so many holes while there is people not getting any share of the means of pleasure.
The optimized way to share the means of pleasure is 3 men 1 woman. That's the only way to avoid any waste.

Jesus that look on her face. Now I'm into domination and humiliation but this is just pathetic

You can, however, work X amount of hours and get Y amount payment, where Y does not represent the true value of your time X.

Perhaps 'self-exploitation' is a bad term - it's certainly not my favorite term but it's the one being used. It's supposed to be a different concept, not just 'surplus-extraction but you do it to yourself'. Specifically it refers to the other ways in which a exploitative relation may reveal itself; working longer, more intensively, doing tasks one does not enjoy, etc.

Like I said, basically everything Marx has said about artistans and modern theorists have aid about co-ops applies.

I cannot argue with your logic, cuckrade I mean comrade.

100% protestant work ethic right here. Disgusting.

i think so. the proposition isn't untrue, but the term is silly.

I think it's a good compromise, but some regular 1-man-1-woman couples in the middle improves it a lot, I think. They provide the more intimate, one-on-one passion, while the 2-women-1-man trios supply the raw fun. Also a lesbian pair or two adds a lot of flavor.

You think solely in terms of efficiency and resource usage, and says we think like capitalists? Come one, man.

that's just alienation you moron, exploitation is a separate concept. This is why I can't take the ultra's criticisms of co-ops seriously. No, it won't end alienation, but it will prevent other people from exploiting you which is a worth goal in of itself.

I'm listening…

Well, Holla Forums are absolutey confused and weird.

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Well actually the argument is that it IS a kind of exploatiation, just not in the sense of ' boss takes my surplus'.

For example, if I work in a co-op I and my comrades may "decide", democratically, to reduce our own financial reimbursement (i.e. wages) in order to increase the pool of money that is the difference between our revenue and expenses (profit, by any other word, remains profit) that we use for investement and expansion. We decide this not because we feel it's the action that will improve total felicity for all, but because we are compelled to it by market forces; we NEED to expand more.

In practice, the co-op firm as a legal entity acts in the same manner as an individual capitalist boss. Whether you decide to call this 'exploatiation' or something else is essentially hair-splitting: for the worker the effect is the same. Co-ops as a 'solution' is a capitalist idea, and something pro-capitalist trolls tend to ask socialists: "lol why don't u just start a co-op?". Well why don't we?

Here's the factor that you have to realize.

A lot of these porn star women have reactionary political beliefs and deserve to be exploited.

Dani Daniels is a cop lover because "she grew up in a family of cops"

Kendra Lust is a traditionalist

Alexis Texas is a hick from texas

Jynx Maze is an apolitical normie who thinks her fitness and partying is more important than politics

Literally the only porn star that doesn't deserve her exploitation is Sasha Grey.

sasha grey is too good for this earth

why is that bad? because she won't fuck negroids?

Investment and expansion would need to happen regardless unless you've reached a point of abundance capable of sating people's needs not just now, but also in the future. (Marx saw human needs/wants not as infinite, but certainly rising). What difference does it make whether society as a whole is making this reinvestment or a collection of cooperatives? And whatever benefits there may be, I'd be inclined to side with cooperative based production for the near future as a bulwark against authoritarianism.

And even though they share similarities, co-ops and capitalist bosses are not structurally identical. Co-ops, for example, hold job security at just as great of importance as profit. They too, decrease the externalities of capitalist decision making, the workers after all have to deal with the effects of pollution/climate change, poor working conditions in ways the capitalists could ignore.

Ah, so you're playing the part of the capitalist here. You should already be aware of the answer, capital accumulation and the relation to the means of production necessarily makes it so workers don't have the capital to start their own cooperatives. Most are living paycheck to paycheck. It's the same reason they can't just start their own business. When you see people like Richard Wolff talking about cooperatives as a way to move beyond capitalism, he's saying we need a political force to make the state facilitate a transfer of control from capitalists to workers. Through subsidies, cheap loans, the right of first refusal, ect. No one thinks co-ops as they exist today can undo capitalism, but making them the dominant mode of production probably would.

kill urself my man

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You mean that bitch who licked a toilet?

I don't give a fuck about american grannies.

Angela white is an SJW idpol liberal who ran as a candidate for Australias sex party

That was hot 2bh. But there are plenty other who did/do more nasty stuff than her.

What about Riley Reid?
twitter.com/rileyreidx3/status/740295955598086144?lang=en

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Dani Daniels also supported Bernie then after the recent pepsi thing she came out as saying she supports #Bluelivesmatter.

I also think she doesn't like poor people very much.

You went WAY too far.

honestly i don't understand why this board has such difficulties with this simple concept.

Pornography is a mirror and engine of the individual's jouissance. Per Lacanian psychoanalysis, jouissance is how your personality, behaviors, even your tastes are constructed. Every little bit of what you enjoy constructs you: there is truth to the saying that you are the average of the last five books you read and the five people you are around the most. In fact, the more you put effort into your enjoyment, the more you are that person that your actions construct, as well as the emotion you self-generate as you complete those actions.

Now, every time you fap to porn, you surrender your your agency over what you enjoy.

Again, every time you fap to porn, you surrender your your agency over what you enjoy.

In retarded Holla Forumsyp terms, this is the essence of being cucked.

What does this mean? Simple. The enjoyment you receive from pornography is only a false mirror image of what you, the consumer of the porn, receive as opposed to the producers, or rather, the en-actors of the porn, receive. You only pretend to be the king of porn on your computer or whatever, picking and choosing of what you enjoy, what with the HUGE variety, but the grooves of the porno have already been dug for you; you can only enjoy what the pornographers have predetermined that the actors will show on-screen: you are being unconsciously directed to enjoy, and at the same time literally enjoying the fact that you are robbed of your agency, and you masturbate to it, carving that into your psyche. You are literally being told and conditioned to like what they recorded: whatever you fap to is what you become. Your own sexuality and internal drives become enslaved to the pornographer's desire to make money, to keep watching the same or similar images in the same manner. You do not enjoy your own sexuality, what you like with another person, but you stay stunted, constantly desiring a foreign goal, never growing yourself nor your ability to relate to another person sexually AS A PERSON.

Porn is not only commodification of sexuality by the pornographer, it is reproduction of desire by the stars themselves. Whatever you decided to masturbate to, that is what you decide you desire. Desire is what animates you, what creates your goals, and as you enjoy pornography, your unconscious builds goals to try and gain that same thing, the same exact behaviors: you are not looking to have sex with a girl in the same way, you are looking to enjoy pornography's solitary comforts, at your computer. Whether or not you are watching it with another person is immaterial; you are enjoying the image, not the person.

well I mean, we also have sexual urges, something that is in us biologically so we have a craving to do the thing to create new humans. And since some of us cannot relieve ourselves of these urges with a significant other we go to porn.

at the begining I thought it was all bullshit but you touched this:

there is some truth behind that, we literally learn behaviours, by watching others do it.
but you are forgetting to take into account that there are erogenous zones that they just turn us on.

So fucking what?
I dont want to deal with all the bullshit talk, you have to go through, when trying to court a girl.
damn I hate religious bullshitters like you, trying to impose their fucking morals and view points, on every one around you.

I think these 3 configurations are the base, but the optimized ratio among them is still a mystery. It requires more observation.

No to mention outlier coupling such as (X>=2)-men-(Y>=2)-women. Do they contribute? do they detract? It is a mystery.

(cont)
Notice the feeling of discomfort or even revulsion you get as you see that de-gloved penis in the process of being treated for Peyronie's disease, a condition brought on by internal damage to the penis brought on by injury; it has to happen for the penis to work normally, but it is horrifying; your dick looks like it's being mutilated.

The same exact shit is what turns people fascists; they realize or perceive that their way of life, their enjoyment is being robbed, and they react, violently. The dolch-stoss-legende, the "stab-in-the-back" myth that the Nazis employed to rile up the people, implying they lost the first world war due to disloyalty on the home front. They rallied the people against perceived foreign agents, usually in the form of Jews or even Catholics (Germany was culturally Protestant) and brought them to do their bidding; in return, the people had an easy answer to the economic hardships brought on by the Weimar Republic and their internal symbolic order was restored through the words of Adolph Hitler, the Fuhrer.

Returning to the concept of porn and sex, porn is much, much easier to come by than sex, as well as its consequences; the existence of /r9k/ proves that much, with its mass of feels, of alienated and alienating sexual desires artificially planted by the vicious cycle of jouissance brought on by pornography and masturbation. It is much harder to find a partner who will actually enjoy you as well as you enjoy them, particularly when you are so thoroughly alienated as is the average robot on /r9k/

It is up to us to police our desires, to not look at shit that could fuck us up, and if someone is stuck in that cycle, to help them out of it. Stay tuned.

I mostly agree, but if co-ops where dominant then that changes the rules in the sense of decreasing the power of the law of value. And yes, co-ops can have AWESOME goal on paper, but my point was that in reality they compate with capitalist firms, and their goals of worker and community wellbeing hold them back from accumulating as much.

Simply put, they can't out-capitalist the capitalist - those that don't give two fucks about anything other than accumulation of surplus will tend to accumulate more surplus than those who have other concerns. In a capitalist world, every artistan, small-business owner, co-op, etc. must play by capitalist rules or go under. They may have more freedom than a wage-slave, but they are not completely free from either alienation nor exploitation.

My ultimate point being that even porn produced by 'amateurs' that is part of the capitalist market is not kosher to a socialist; only 'use-value porn', produced for the sheer pleasure of it with no monetary gain, is truly acceptable for the socialist.

No one deserves to be exploited, and you're getting gulagged for the sheer irony of it.

Proofs?

There is a qualitative difference between YOU rubbing YOURSELF to turn YOURSELF on, to SOMEONE ELSE rubbing YOU to turn YOU on. Your body and you unconsciously notice that, and build your neural pathways and enjoyment accordingly.

That is a serious problem, whether you recognize it or not; you are letting your drives take the easy way out to satisfy your desire. I myself will admit that I don't want to deal with people and I don't want to deal with women's bullshit most of the time, but it's necessary. It keeps you able to relate to others who are Other, not like you, and not turn into an asshole who doesn't care about them. Part of being revolutionary is the ability to work for the betterment of all, even if you don't see an immediate positive effect.

I admit that I have a hard time relating to people, and that I look at porn because it's easier to go outside to pick up girls, but the only thing that will make you grow as a person is to take risks to see if you and that other person like each other, where you and the other person will take the time to make love to one another carefully and tenderly, where you enjoy each other's company while you have sex, and not just use them as an object but acknowledge their subjectivity and take it into account; that means knowing whom to trust, and learning to love them in spite of their flaws, and gently make them realize they have them so they fix them, and doing the same when they remind you of yours. If they aren't mature enough to do that yet, tell them that and leave them. It is not worth the hassle.

Of course, you have to share some fundamentals as well; emotions will wax and wane, love is not an emotion, it is a way of life, and it s something you both will have to work out.

The only people who would engage in such actions in that socialist setting are private couples sending pictures of themselves to each other, or exhibitionists, which are by definition sick in the head.

Real socialists help other socialists find gfs.

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It's a good thing freudposter isn't here because this is some high octane projection

kek

Jesus are you all Holla Forums left wing larpfags?

Calm down friend.

Have some porn

sauce on middle pic

You mean the one that did it as actual work and stoped doing it once she could?

Hmmm….

Also, why is this thread still alive?

Porn Star Gianna Nicole

fucking degenerates

This. Every time you enjoy X, you actually surrender your agency and you should feel bad about enjoying things.
t. guy braincucked by capitalist-protestant work ethic

Southern Germany, where the NSDAP movement started, was and is more catholic, it is the north that got the Protestants.

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nb nb

What does this even mean

No dummy, obviously this is. :'^) :'^)

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i like race-play, cuckquean and cuckold with white bull and black cuck

sup Holla Forums

i swear i'm not a Holla Forumsac,i just have those kind of fantasies
i also like really hardcore porn, those who have 1 o 2 30 cm cock and fuck savagely a 1.50 meters girl
i also like some romantic porn, full of kisses and passion, like if that where the first time they fuck together and somehow they know he/she is the one…

i also like really hardcore porn, those who have 1 o 2 30 cm cock and fuck savagely a 1.50 meters girl
Mah nigga.

i also like some romantic porn, full of kisses and passion
Eww, disgusting.

i dont like black cock, it looks like a turd, and also it reminds me of all the Holla Forums memes

But then again, he was wealthy so any physical standards are irrelevant.

so?

Is this self exploitation?

ugly face tbh

How can she be a traditionalist while doing pornography?

But is she self-exploiting?

Missionary only

The position of the proletariat

No, this is Patric.

Maybe some of you are idiots.

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I raise you Charlotte Sarte and Janice Griffith

absolute madwoman. her toilet vids changed my life

All I know is that I would be much more depressed and unhappy without porn.

Too skinny and looks like a standard liberal.

user…………… women are supposed to be pure.

Fix up your life

yeah toilet vids are diluted women

accept no solutions just pure women

who dis

The Korean dudes who are forced to draw hentai in sweatshops are as exploited as anyone else

Chuck Tingle is the only ethical consumerism under capitalism

And that's why hentai will be created by artist collectives, and not in order of "market request".

What?
Exactly what the hell do you mean by that and what the hell is the point?
Its already made by amerature individuals and small groups.

That's Angela White, user. She's from Australia. Bat'ko probably knows her irl because all Australians know each other.

She got some gigantic titties

Bat'ko pls introduce me

Actually I'm a 25 year old virgin so it'd probably be a disaster

she's a porn star maybe she can give you some pointers

Aaah!
But is art not to be promoted through groups and then aproved by the party comitee?

I don't understand why y'all get triggered when someone says they dislike tattoos…

and it's funny you think it's pol & r9k thing. You'd be surprised.

I don't mind if it's a couple tasteful tattoos, but if their entire body is covered in skulls, blood and "cut here" they need to tone down the edge

Based Charlotte

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we need more anarchist porn.

Anyone wanna make Alexander and Emma make a porno?

thank you for liking my toilet vids user! I just filmed another recently where Mick Blue finds me jerking off while sitting on a toilet then fucks me in a bathroom (eventually we leave the bathroom and fuck on a couch where i fist my asshole and get DP'd and things like that) hopefully that one comes out soon, I hope you will like it, it will be out on Bamvisions

thanks for the love!

anyway I just wanted to pop in and say hello to you all and say thank you for appreciating porn and its performers and the fucked up things we do on camera for peoples enjoyment. have a nice rest of your day everybody!

no prob fam

People like (you) belong in gulag.

what is this? a new import from america?

Is this real

what

twitter.com/sasharubchinsky/status/855478415071350784

She noticed us.

ebin

man, we're going places aren't we

OFFICIAL LIST OF PORN PERFORMERS THAT DON'T DESERVE TO BE EXPLOITED

We will form an army of class conscious porn stars.

Shall we take to instagram to redpill Dani Daniels?

based

Holla Forums belongs to us now, Tankies get out.

Women get paid more than men in porn which is straight up sexism. Something leftypol will not stand for.

GOOGLE B O O K C H I N

Actually, gays get paid more, especially gay men.

So they discriminate on the grounds of sexual orientation too?
Fuckign bourgeois porky spooks.

How do we stop this fellow leftybros?

Did she do any diaper stuff?

I think this thread is having two entirely separate conversations right now

Answer the question.

Payment goes like men < women < lesbians < gays
At least for vanilla stuff

Your bourgeois pornography doesn't respect the freedoms of people to share, modify, and build upon our collective culture.

Which one? Please put the gun down sir

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Does Creative Commons porn exist?

Yes.
I'm sure there's other stuff out there too.

This is the only porn for the proletariat

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nigga people gotta make a living under capitalism
also, amateur porn exists

the thought of someone typing this out is hilarious
love you charlotte

This is what I call gulagbait.

Porn isn't software, dumbass. Just read what our master RMS says about art.

You mean this?
stallman.org/articles/end-war-on-sharing.html

Of course they shouldn't simply starve to death. I just don't recognize the concept of intellectual property as being legitimate. If they want to do work on a commission basis, accept donations, or even continue to scam idiots out of their money that's fine. I just won't be a victim of said scamming. The problem is ultimately capitalism - not the actions of individuals.

Im not the guy you are replying to but I want to know the answer to the diaper question.

Also, I've just been reading through Stallman's commentary on the news and I'm disappointed to see he has bought into the US propaganda about the chemical attacks supposedly perpetrated by Assad.
zerohedge.com/news/2017-04-15/video-tampering-evidence-syrian-chemical-weapons-attack

Stallman was never really that politically competent. Don't forget he also bought into the red scare until the end of Sovient Union. He's just the best thing we have in the software domain. What he achieved there is actually amazing when you look the state of free software today, we could all be forced to use Windows or macOS if it weren't for him. The thought is terrifying.

Angela is based af

When did you start browsing Holla Forums?

Also pls do femdom (no cuck shit) you'd be fucking awesome at it.

rms is a burger and therefore brainwashed from birth, he's done pretty well by that standard

This tbh

Fun Fact: She was a candidate for the Australian Sex Party

Its a one issue party that advocates for sexual freedom

Why is there no psychologically abusive femdom? It's always just the same cliched choreography without any actual domination.

Actually it's a shitty lolbertarian party.

There's barely any of it. Porn is full of potential as a concept but nobody seems to want to do anything interesting with it. Sexy is achievable, but they can't normally do anything more than that.

girl on girl is for 12 year olds user. are you 12?

You both fap to 3DPD. You're like Trump and Hillary debating who is worse.

I'm not denying he's based as fuck. I'm more surprised because this is the first thing I've noticed he's actually got wrong. I didn't know he used to be anti-communist.

So you like seeing a big thick cock? Hmmm

How much of this progress we are making, do you think is because of how interesting this group of people is?

I mean funding Wolff

considering communism is associated with marxism-leninism and he has his ideas of free software it makes sense

Why do you wound me so…

shiggy

Don't worry user.
Capitalistic alienation fucks up the power structure enough to allow all you fucking perverts to find people equally if more perverted than you.

I know your pain user

is that monroe
Monroe pls..

Yeah, just have to stick to the old stuff

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anybody here share my likes

Actually most bdsm polls I've looked at confirm this. Not sure how many are switches, but quite a few female switches I've met tend to be submissive with men and dominant with women.

I like cuckquean, but raceplay doesn't do anything for me and I like prole bull with rich cuck.

made me kek

Oddly enough, I like raceplay, so long as my race isn't involved.

l-lets share some…
>but raceplay doesn't do anything for me
i just want to play with a cute black girl like she is my sex slave and her only responsability is satisfy and obey me
let me cum in her pussy and breed my childrens
her black husband must watch everything
i just got a really hard erection

stance has been pretty clear for ages

Did you know Michael Rosen is a socialist?

still would tho.

i didn't know
wew, we learn something everyday

RIP