Melenchon, President

"I present myself before you and wouldn't want to forget who I am, and what has always been my fatherland. Therefore, on the birthday of the Commune, I will sing with those who know it for freedom and the struggle (?), the Internationale."

My French isn't 100% though.

OUI!
OH OUI!
VAS-Y, PLUS FORT!
OH OUI ENCORE!
OUI OUI OUI!!

Vive la France!

wew lad is he /ourguy/

It's good enough! Cheerful persistence, lads!

Say it with me!

Mel en chon

Pres i dent!

You can do it France!

Fun versions of the Internationale!

MEME MELENCHON TO VICTORY!!!!!

youtube.com/watch?v=HlQIN2FVSM4

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leave

Nope, I'm not a communist, and I'm not a political memer.

Melenchon will make life materially better for millions of people, and fundamentally transform Europe.

I support his project, and I am excited for him to win. But vote for Poutou I guess, if you want to bomb Syria.

This is a positive thread, mes amis!

youtube.com/watch?v=MK-Eee_RkJQ

she is though.

so you're the r/the_donald to our Holla Forums?

how?

Whatever gets you through the night!

Socialism will win.

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Is Melechon for real or is he just the same old typical sucdem """""leftist""""" type?
If he is just a sucdem them Le Pen is obviously a better choice in the long run because more sucdemism will just turn people to the far right while a far right government fucking things up will have the opposite effect.

you do realise Marx used socialism and communism interchangeably

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For fucks sake lads, he's not going to become president.

And besides he's a shitty soc-dem. Do you honestly think he's going to bring monumental change?

SocDem is an improvement and is more popular than communism sadly

your life is only quantitatively less shit

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Accelerationists don't actually care about people.

Marx is dead, I agree with economics but not his philosophy. Socialism implies something very different from communism, you know this. Let's not get into an obtuse little back and forth.

Literally why do you think this? Something historical is happening and you're sitting on the sidelines.

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Itt: increasingly nervous liberals.

Are you familiar with the project of France Insoumise?

Pretty much

Yea I bet the Tennis Court Oath started with the execution of the king and Lenin leading the 8 May riots

youtube.com/watch?v=r9Z5rePYVlg

I'm more confident that Marcon is going to win, as he tends to act in bourgeosie interests, and I think by hook or by crook he or Le Pen is going to win.

And besides, say he does win, what won't stop him from going back on his word or being neutered when he takes office?

It is a possibility due to the French electoral system.
A few years back, i was completely into him. But now, i think he's too soft and he'll probably not deliver a lot.
Growing old is shit, i wish i could get hyped again

lenin made the distinction between socialism and communism not Marx. SocDem isn't socialism

This is the pathetic state Holla Forums is in, getting all excited about a boring social democrat possibly making the first round in French elections, with even 2 more "radical" (Trots) leftists in the race.

Revolution any day now.

Voting for a social democrat in a bourgeois election is truly a revolutionary act, comrade. Why not smash some windows while you're at it and show those capitalists where it's at.

Why can't all the grumpy left-wing candidates hang out in random circumstances like Trump and Farage and the rest of the aut-right heroes do?

so you weren't here for
good to know

Back then there were a number of people telling Berniecrats to fuck off on the regular, but it seems they all left.

The french president has almost unilateral power compared to other western democracies. This isn't burgerland, your "lol not like the president can actually do anything" equivocation is meaningless here

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Piggy are shaking in their boots.

If you have no idea of:

please don't comment

You're all fucking opportunists

Might as well ask for the tide not to come in

I hope he wins so that you can slowly realize what damage he will do. He will be dragged through the mud in the media, blocked at every way and eventually be associated with ineffective politics and failure.

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At best softcock social democracy is back. Learn the difference, understand Marx's hatred of Lasalle.

That's a funny number you know. 50 years. Hear it a lot. Either everyone but me has received a vision of Mecha-Lenin's landslide win in the 2067 election, or fuckwits reaching for a number of years that would preclude them from doing anything useful without being outlandishly far into the future tend to settle on 50 years.

Fuck, you're a special one.

You get a pass. You're not a communist, you have no reason to expect better than the scraps from the table that your 'representatives' deign to give you. Everyone else should be fucking ashamed of their constant, multiple-thread-spanning cheerleading.

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I hope the French vote for Le Pen.

youtube.com/watch?v=O1Z0NzatzJQ

Don't bother, those who scream "succdem" think socdem just means "person who is running for office and leans to the left". They will never think someone running for office isn't a socdem by default

oh fugg

No, those are just liberals. Succdems are people who run for office and believe they totally can change and revolutionize society, inevitably are confronted with the restraints bourgeois democracy puts on them and end up doing nothing more than pitiful reformism that eventually ends up strengthening the capitalist system.

In either case, no member of a political party will ever be more radical to you than SocDem. Ignore the fact that every revolutionary you admire from the past was involved in the parliamentary governments of their time in one way or another.

There are tons of people shitting on Memechon in every thread about him while and Bernie was getting enough "muh Overton" support to the point of phonebaking threads popping out, stop trying to be so autismal about this.

He is running on a constituent assembly.

As I see it there are two competing definitions

Originally soc-dems where people trying to achieve communism through the parliament.

Later on it changed so that soc-dem in Europe simply meant center left

If you apply the first definition JLM is running to the right of OG soc-demism

Isn't he running on the idea of heavy constitutional structural reform?

Really? That's even worse actually. Constitutions serve to strengthen and legitimize the liberal state only. What a bunch of idiots you are.

Yeah but he has explicitly said that he wont seize the means of production

tbh reversing neoliberalism and reforming government can be considered 'communism through the parliament'

Good, saying that directly is probably the most autistic messaging for normies I could ever imagine

Does he have policies regarding the muslim problem?

Laicite, and stop bombing the Middle East to hell and back.

hello Holla Forums

Yep, forced conversion and instituted sharia (and not the sharia where moderate muslims just decide how to split up assets or boring shit like that, full on ISIS level sharia)

Hel also plans to offer white babies as food to the immigrants.

sad that lefties are in such a position that we cant say what we want

haters BTFO

France isn't exactly burgerland, but you'd be a fool to think the propaganda isn't almost as strong. It is sad, but it's the reality of the last half a century

Blown
The
Fuck
Out

Yup, he is going to do it. Polls are being herded according to Nate Silver. He might actually do it, and would win against anyone but Macron actually! (and vs Macron it would be close)

Spain failed but France might actually do it! Good job French people!

imagine a run-off between Le Pen and Melenchon, the liberal hand-wringing would be off the charts. we'd see a lot of true colours

It's actually sort of funny seeing how intiminated the liberals are by him. I imagine this is how Holla Forums felt during the American election.

when will this actual succdem just fuck off and endorse melenchon?

Yeah.

This is what I'm expecting too.

He can't. He will endorse Melenchon if he gets to the 2nd round iirc though.

Only in the second round, it's a traditional center party, what do people expect?

But it might actually be a good thing, it could have the effect of what's left of the PS bases going to Macron

This people keep shitting on Melenchon for being socdem when this actual socdem is Melenchon's only obstacle in the first round

And even if he does do lefty stuff, it will be like Portugal: top social-democracy, peace among classes, and so on. The very opposite of what we want.

youtube.com/watch?v=g7K2-gHA8ms

i dont know whether ol nate silver has leg left to stand on when it comes to polls

For all what's worth he came the closest with Trump even if he still failed miserably

Fucking hell, stop shilling this fucking morron, he won't win against Le Pen and he's weakening a reasonable letist candidat. this should have been a walk in the parc for Macron.

Must be nice for your leftism to just be a hobby. You must have no struggle at all if you believe in accelerationism. Bunch of children who just want to see the world burn and don't actually give a damn about anything.

Sorry Holla Forums but she's gonna win.

??????

Dream on

You can't make this shit up.

Pick one. He is a centrist liberal. Even if you are a moderate, you should vote for at least Hamon, even if he has no chance.

Melenchon has an equal or greater chance than Le Pen of actually becoming president of France.

Except they're both awful.

they're both for leaving the EU, against globalisation, have stupid economic plans..

Macron is from the finance world and he can actually realistically think in the order of "at what cost" and make compromis and not just a populist that plays on people's feeling and will lead France straight to a wall.

This has to be satire.

youtube.com/watch?v=neSFk8dRCe8
I think Mélenchon's the most supported by economists.

Good
Also good
Unlike Macron's plans for tax cuts and austerity

Please kys

Honestly I'd rather have a commie than a neolib at this point.

its another episode of edgy liberals aka Anarchists of Holla Forums getting wet for a scumdem again before they pretend this never happened after the "revelation" that they cannot and wont change anything

woop de fucking doo

you guys never learn, this is exceeding trump-cuck levels of embarrassing denial

every
fucking
time

the ride truly never ends

Defeatism is not healthy.

I can't wait for all the financial people who have been screaming bloody murder at Le Pen to turn around embrace the nationalist fascist because a commie is in the race now.

Why don't you just kill yourself if nothing will ever change?

you might as well promote Merkel for 2017 german elections and tell everyone else to be defeatists for not believing in her. jesus fuck you guys are retarded.

Globalism propelled 400 million chinese out of povrety and into the middle class.

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you might as well have been Clinton shills, no fucking difference

neat

you probably should wait after the election.
where you from, user?

Is anyone else worried about euroskepticism and Russophilia expressed by Melenchon?

i unironically want people who actually believe this shit to kill themselves.

He's not a socdem in the modern sense of the term. You should read up on what he's said before you start crucifying him.

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Melenchon will help Dugin coup Putin and make NazBol real.

see

and

Yes, he is.

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Putin is not to be trusted. He has been in power for 18 years, he has invaded Georgia and Crimea, and it would be to his benefit for Europe to be weaker.

nah, Europe is a system built to hand over countries wealth to big corporations.
yes, very much.
Russia is an imperialistic country, just like the US except they're broke and don't really have the means to militarily expand for now.
i don't think Russia is the devil but i wouldn't associate with them either.

Why would you expect tankies to read? They're not leftists, they just want an internet club house.

youtube.com/watch?v=9oT__tNkIzQ

gr8 b8

He isn't Lenin, but he isn't a 'capitalism-is-the-best-we-have-so-here-are-gibs' liberal socdem either. He is clearly not wedded to capitalism as an ideology.
I don't believe in the reformist cause either but using the liberal political framework for legitimacy for the left and class consciousness is a worthy cause.

How is that pic different than any other activist or career leftist?

false flag/baiting bullshit

inb4 Melenchon wins and then France gets freedomized by the US military

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If he wins, will there be a Frexit referendum?

Melonchomp would Make Europe Great Again

IIRC, his plan is basically push for reforms in the EU to democratise it, and if that fails there will be a referendum.

Left my shitposting flag on

accelerationism gets us robots dummy. then we FORCE the crisis of ownership of the means of production that will replace all human workers. That question is answered with communism or mass people die.

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i dont even know what im happier about

Chon rising or lepen imploding

this is truly the greatest of times

PARIS SERA LA TUMBA DEL FASCISMO

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French military would be the ones chimping out most probably; the history of the French massacring other Frenchmen goes way back.

END THIS MEME

literally /ourguy/

Me siento optimista.

What's the point then?

this is why socdems are first on the firing line.

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Macron's not even a socdem. It's a troll post.

good god, your neolib is showing

Honestly I think socdems unironically can come up with something like this.

he definately is /ourguy/

WTF I love France now!

And look what happened to the bolsheviks and the USSR, friend. It's not about ideological purity, it's that any "leftist" movement which relies on the institutions set in place by bourgeois society have ended in either a stagnant impotency, like what we see with nearly all western left wing movements today, or state capitalism. Communism is the real movement which abolishes the present state of things, and if the present state of things, be it bourgeois social interactions, commodity fetishism, the value form, wage labor, the state, money, etc., is not abolished by the whole of the society itself then you will still have capitalism. Communism is far more revolutionary than it is made out to be by even the most violent of leftist tendencies.

So what exactly is the option that you're advocating for? Surprise attack with no prior experience in current government is the only path to communism?

Armchair revolutionaries. They don't actually want any change. They just like talking about it.

Socdem policies will be neutered into oblivion because France is still under the EU, because antisocialism is built into its core, all you are going to get is Hollande 2.0 while the Left's image is destroyed even further.

He's for leaving the EU though.

melenchons literal biggest selling point is he wants the eu to benefit workers over bankers

softeuroskeptism isn't enough, he will still be raped under the EU.

My guess is he's advocating for waiting for the inevitable collapse/decay then rebuilding. Only thing I can think of that isn't revolution or reformism

Read his policy on the EU again. It's incredibly clear he's set up unrealistic standards for the EU to meet and said definitively that they're either met or France is out under him. In practice, that means Frexit.

Absolutely based

It's not exactly *soft* Euroskepticism, but whatever.

Also not going to happen because the EU isn't designed for that, Fascist will take in the mean time.

Okay then, we'll see.

over*

that wouldn't make sense since that probably won't happen during his term. in reality he'll threaten to leave unless France's demands are met. Which in real terms means do what we say or i'm crashing this plane with no survivors

Does Melenchon really have the iron will to see it through or will he fold like Alexis?

You're acting as if communism is a purely political movement, a state of affairs to be established, and not a complete societal shift. Experience in current bourgeois government is completely meaningless to the revolutionary body, maybe except for the early "stages" (stageism is retarded, thanks lenin) of the Dictatorship of the Proletariat.

And what, exactly, have you accomplished? It's really hilarious when an ML (assuming that's what you are) tells someone that they're "afraid of the revolution" or "don't want change" when it is them who are frightened of abandoning class society in its entirety, at best advocating for "seizing the means of production" and nothing more

I am advocating for revolution, but revolution can come in many forms, like, as you said, decay, or armed insurrection (likely be a combination of both). The one thing that a communist revolution MUST be is international.

Greece is small and irrelevant and was already subservient to the Troika. France is the 5th biggest economy in the world and the only geopolitically relevant country in the EU besides Germany.

I doubt he'd go full Bane and demand all-or-nothing, i can't imagine how things would unfold if that happened. Realistically though i can't see any reason why he wouldn't force extensive reform

Screencap this.

/OURGUY/ CONFIRMED

He's going to get shot down in office. Literally or like Trump, Syriza and like Bernie would've if he got elected. He may be /ourguy/ but it remains to be seen if he will be ABLE to do anything if he wins. If anything if he loses than Le Pen will fuck up like Trump and he will leave a sizable majority of people angry at his loss.

Bullshit. never trust a politician to "figure anything out", if something hasn't been explicitly promissed it has 0% chance of happening.

Once again, French president has more power than those other respective offices. And Le Pen is way less incompetent than Trump, I wouldn't count on her making immediate bumbling mistakes.

What? This isn't fucking 3D chess or some obscure puzzle, it's what he's said and something so obvious that all the neolibs are throwing a hissy fit over him "basically promising to leave the EU".

Seriously. Any state-centric approach to communism is gonna have to go hard and fast. Break with the banks, break with the eu, break with NATO, establish a Southern European nationalized economic-union aiming towards complete socialization, calling on all communists to either kick out the opportunists or split, form a revolutionary international.

Gotta realize you're waging global civil war. No half-measures.

Read Marx.

I want a Melenchon vs Le Pen for the second round.
I want to see if the "democratic alliance" holds value, once it is left-wing rad vs fascist.
Usually it is demanded by the leftists to automatically vote for conserfs or socdems if they are up to fascists, will they now return the favour?

Will someone like Macron or Fillon actually endorse Melenchon to prevent Le Pen? Because I actually have my doubts.

RED IS BACK BUCKOS !

Better brush up on your french, buckos

What he says is great and stuff, but what did he do, before he even considered to become a Presidential candidate?

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I first learned about him when he defended Robespierre against the negative portrayal in Assassin's Creed, and that's enough for me

youtube.com/watch?v=O1Z0NzatzJQ

youtube.com/watch?v=Sk5Q-uAUYFE

It's almost funny, my bf's grandpa was a french commie.

This fucker would roll right over on world revolution for the sake of social patriotism.

cut the bolshevik LARP love

what the fuck

I remember how he seemed to be polling worse with time, then suddenly he's tied for first? How the fuck does that happen?

implying supporting a socdem as a communist is opportunism
why wouldn't anyone communist in their right mind support a socdem over le pen
that's not opportunism
that's going with the best option
i'm not becoming a socdem, i'm accepting that this has more of a chance to pave the way towards attaining socialism than le pen
and that's that
i'm still a communist and i still had social democracy but it's better than nothing

The debates happened in which Le Pen proved she can't argue for shit, Macron is just saying meaningless shit that people agree with, Melenchon being good at debating and Fillion has is under investigation for embezzlement

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gb2pol retard

kys

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How would a non-state-centric approach go? I take it you mean that the means of production are collectivized in some manner but not nationalized, and that society would be run in a more democratic approach, right? Because either with a commie state going hard and fast or a relatively peaceful anarchist free territory hoping other countries jump into their bandwagon, international capitalism will treat both of them the same way, as far as I can see

How the fuck is Fillion still a thing? He's a more corrupt, slighly more racist Macron.

(you)

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Old christian conservative that believe it's all a conspiracy by Holland to bring him down.

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hmm

Oh and there was a recent instance of his supporter betting up journalists at his meeting

If you are a Marxist, it's true that under full communism these things would be gone, but Marx and Engels didn't say they would all be eliminated right away. There's a lot of quotes on their thoughts on the State at anarchism.pageabode.com/afaq/secH3.html#sech310 …one example is when Engels wrote in marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1883/death/dersoz2.htm that the State would undergo "gradual dissolution" but that first "the proletarian class will first have to possess itself of the organised political force of the State", and he criticized anarchists for wanting to smash the State right away:

As for money and wage-labor, in Critique of the Gotha Program Marx imagined workers would receive some token that would note how much work they'd done, which they could exchange for other goods (even if you call this 'labor vouchers' rather than 'money'), with some amount subtracted for public goods (like a tax).

And on violent revolution vs. attaining power by democratic means, in an interview at marxists.org/archive/marx/bio/media/marx/71_07_18.htm Marx was talking about what should be done in England, which unlike France allowed men without property to vote, and Marx said:

And in an 1872 speech quoted at stephenhicks.org/2016/07/06/is-marxism-necessarily-violent/ Marx said:

So obviously he didn't think democracy was useless and violent revolution was always needed, he thought it depended on the circumstances in each country.

that's fucking amazing. MAKE IT HAPPEN FROGS

Wait I just realized
France has the power to shape the world now.

New York, but I have family so it's an easy thing to do.

Anyone have a source on this?

youtube.com/watch?v=PY_YN7umIH8

We switched timelines

Mein Gott, he's truly /ourguy/

I wouldn't take that shitstain opinion seriously, but there is something odd going on as Melenchon is apparently is most liked candidate, gaining 22% yet that doesn't translate to election choice

One day mememagic will advance to the point where we can shift timelines at will, and politics will become an issue of autist internet armies launching weaponized memes to alter reality.

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He was literally the only person to give Trump a real chance in the election, idk why he gets all the hate

Great post

Melenchon's discord is pretty good, there's daily debates, discussion on helping him.. the game was made by the discord.

there's an english chat channel but I'm sure we can ask for an english voice channel. the french debate channels are lively, not only on the campaign subject but they discuss a lot of communist theory and it's application in France.

discordapp.com/invite/WdppkNw

Because during the primaries his polls were always predicting Cruz, Rubio, Kasich wins on the republican side and it made him look like an idiot

nordpresse.be/bhl-melenchon-elu-quitte-france/

-Bernard Henry Levy (the greatest philosopher of our time)

Just another reason to vote for Melenchon!

Hey, look who's supporting Melenchon now!

Install Melenchon!

Yeah but the republican primaries were a fucking shitshow like none I've ever seen before in my life. At some point that narcoleptic retarded doctor was actually the front runner.

Now he's secretary of Housing and Urban Development!

This guy is a literal SocDem. What the fuck are you people cheering for? He only seems like a radical because most SocDem parties have shifted so far towards liberalism lately. 30 years ago no one would have batted an eyelash at this guy. Why do you guys put so much faith in this guy when you have the example of Mitterrand to show you just how inconsequential this sort of thing really is?

Well, candidates further on the left would be better but if Méluche is enough to have the French bourgeois intelligentsia shit their pants in fear and has a realistic shot at the presidency… Why not?

It's a satirical website, mon p'tit.

That was hardly his only failing as a propagandist"pollster"

As the German saying goes, hope dies last. He's a mild leftist by 50s-60s standards, but with the Left splintered as it is, the desperate masses are cheering on anybody who gets a two-digit percentage in the polls and has more charisma than a slice of wet toast. I can't blame them.

Just saying there were way worse

Dommage, dommage, mais y réfléchir BHL qui ferme sa gueule c'est effectivement trop beau pour être vrai.

Je suis en d'accord avec vous, c'est un idee genial.

I have a question, why aren't french mainly communist?

If you look at french philosophers in the 20th century, all the big ones were communist (Sartre, amus, Debauvoire, Lacan, Darrida, Foucault, Althusser..) I can't thing of any french philosopher that alligned with the right wing.

France has a huge Communist history, it's why they're so much better off (despite plenty of problems, caused by reactionary elements).

The answer to your question comes from the history of the CIA.

It was the Communists that led the resistance during the second world war, and it was the Communist Party that stood to gain from this electorally following the end of the war.

The CIA (Alfred McCoy has a great history of this in The Politics of Heroin) funded Socialist parties as well as fascist remnants (most visible today in the Compagnies Républicaines de Sécurité, where Communists were banned) to combat the Communist movement both electorally and quite literally in the streets.

A lot of people moved away from the Communists because of quite simply not wanting to get stomped and figuring the Socialists would deliver the reforms they needed. Of course the sea eye ayy was funding those Socialist parties so there wasn't much possibility of them going as far they should, but the Communist presence pushed them rather far as it is.

This is all mixed up with the story of CIA dope-dealing (Marseillaise-Corsican milieu-Southeast Asia), and isn't the whole story.

There's also the failures of 1968 and the Mitterand government, but I attribute those largely to ideal post-war situation being destroyed by intelligence service interference.

Nate did a really good job though. Trump lost the popular vote, his win was unexpected and depended on him barely swinging key states, something that generally doesn't reflect in polls. Nate giving him a 30% chance to win was a good call given the situation and the highest of any predictions out there as far as I know.

Nope, that was le fake news: buzzfeed.com/julesdarmanin/non-bhl-na-pas-dit-quil-quitterait-la-france-si-melenchon

On the other hand it's true he doesn't like Melenchon: bernard-henri-levy.com/le-bluff-melenchon-bhl-bernard-henri-levy-52271.html (google translated version at archive.is/Y0EiY )

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Stop meme spreading this meme. Clinton wasn't campaigning for the popular vote, she was campaigning to win, and in US presidential elections that means the electoral college. Clinton was cheating the electorate, Trump was cheating the electorate, Trump cheated better. That's that.

If the popular vote mattered, Clinton would've been campaigning in the rust belt states, instead of intentionally ignoring them as EC "safe seats" to focus on EC swing states.

Stop overreacting, I'm not a Reddit libshit. The popular vote is not important because "HRC truly won!!1" but because it made her lead the polls. I was arguing for Nate's analysis, not for HRC's campaign performance.
Off yourself.

Where did this pile of moralizing come from? The point is that polls are better at predicting popular vote totals than electoral vote totals

Clinton literally was campaigning for the popular vote and that's why she lost. Her campaign didn't want the embarrassment of losing the popular vote so they focused on voter turnout in their strongest states without realising how close it was in states like Wiconsin and Pennsylvania

Levy ecris la jolie francaise dans cet article, mais il dit rien.

My point is that the presentation of polling data was blatantly slanted, and once-highly-regarded pollsters dropped all pretense of objectivity to stump against Sanders & Trump even as the changing tides of public opinion became undeniable for months on end.

Stop defending Nate, what he did was wrong, and he has to apologize.

I don't believe that, but it sounds like hilarious postmortem apologia for my reading pleasure. Sauce?

He has to apologize for bringing the most sensible analysis to the table of all? Ok. He's not a pollster you know, he only does analysis.

It sounds even better in French.

youtube.com/watch?v=NMYimc4GoMI

Not by the looks of it she wasn't

Hah!

boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/121268836

tu deviens tout rouge t'as chaud tu te reconnais

SATURDAY POLLS WHEN

Is there a chance that it's gonna be Melenchon vs Le Pen in the 2nd ballot?

I could imagine this would be an amazing showdown.

Very much a chance. Macron is being talked up by the media. Don't be surprised if he scores lower come election day.

uhhh

Bump

If you had a multi-party system, this wouldn't be a problem.

Hamon has basically the same issues as Corbyn, while Mélenchon didn't even touched socdems and he's doing fine.

Listen to this man.
He knows what herding the polls mean, alright. He ruined his reputation with it.

Only with help of Fillon and Macron.
Bourgies gotta stick together ;^)

Fillion's suporters are already crypto-fascist fuckheads. ( >>1572074 )

Macron's probably gonna be a somewhat even split, favouring Jean-Luc because Pen scares leebruls.

Are you for fucking real?
There are differences in their programmes as well as their past political careers.
Don't be fucking ridiculous.

Sounds like Hollande. Look where he is now.
People like Hollande, Valls and Macron are the reason you sorts are a dying breed.
So Macron did the smart move and doesn't call himself a Socdem. Amazingly it works, because his voters are morons, there is no nicer way in saying this. But this won't save him 4 years later. He can't distance himself from the party that has the same initials as himself by design (En Marche!).

We try until we succeed.
One day it will happen.

Is he stealing votes from Le cunt or Macron?

This matters because Melenchon could at least bury the far right. Macron is going to win regardless.

Better translation here, but translations of Levy take out all the charm. He's an irredeemable bad guy fuckhead in his politics, but he can write a pretty sentence.

thedailybeast.com/articles/2017/04/14/france-could-get-a-dangerous-far-left-surprise-on-election-day.html

life is good 👌

He did? Source?

kek

Literal fed-posting. I'm seeing a lot of it in this thread. Fucking defeatist, shill mindset. The left having victories is a good thing. People being involved is a good thing.

Bernie also helped a lot of people become more politically involved. He's what got me to start caring & become socialist. I will forever be grateful for that. These people do some good & shouldn't be thrown out with the bathwater.

people being politically involved>not being politically involved

Everyone ITT needs to call out this bullshit more.

Leftcoms really do need to make their own board and fuck off.

I'm sure some of them aren't even leftcoms, but possibly rightists or even cointelpro. Most of us would see this as a good thing & all of a sudden there are doubting Thomas everywhere. Usually it's a couple of leftcoms shitting, but mostly positive.

the leftcoms are right.
getting excited over some social democrat is analagous to facists gettting excited over trump.
do something that isn't useless.

1) Not a social democrat, don't be lazy

2) You don't understand France, don't be lazy

3) Melenchon is a phenomenal tool for organizing. Again, don't be lazy.

hissssssssssss

this

It must be nice to be a leftcom or accelerationist and have no actual struggle in life. After all, your politics are just a hobby.

I agree with this. They need to realize though, that we need each other. Tbh when revolution comes, I'll likely be on the frontlines(as we all should), but we're going to need people versed in theory, too. What I have issue with is when leftcoms shit on political happenings because they're not ideologically pure enough. Sometimes you just have to take what you can get & build on movements.

Left should stick together & fight for the well being of all instead of picking & choosing so often. Find the good in things. That being said I'm still convinced there are some rightists/feds posting as leftcoms itt, but they're guilty of these things sometimes.

Shit, they're on to us…

This.

People forget that Nate was getting shit on for giving Trump 31% odds. He was accused of being shook. (due to underestimating Trump in the primaries) Other aggregates fell for the bandwagon and gave Trump 5% odds or lower. Look at Sam Wang's predictions, ffs. Nate stuck to his guns and his mathematical model.

No guys, we need to reject every form of socialism and only stop shitposting when the revolution comes.

At that moment, and at no other moment, our time will come, and we will stop shitposting and do something.

Until then it is vital that we do nothing and support no one, and reject democracy by never voting or talking to voters.

lefigaro.fr/politique/le-scan/citations/2014/11/13/25002-20141113ARTFIG00300-un-responsable-du-parti-de-gauche-denonce-la-propagande-d-assassin-s-creed-unity.php

Meeting in Toulouse is live

youtube.com/watch?v=TBgNycaFV1c

Who's ready for the 18?

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its a terrible feel

Holla Forums supports a candidat that wants to import 200 million mudslimas to France.

What are, gay?

This is all very enticing and heart-warming, but you know the adage. Power is like a violin; you take with the left and play with the right.

Unless the guy is openly saying "I will break all banks and concentrate all credit in the hands of the State and collectivize the means of production by force if necessary", well…

babby's first internet discourse

Go home, Röhm, you're dead.

can't wait :3

To be honest, I don't know if victory at Poland would have been enough. Russia as a whole had collapsed, the civil war was still raging and the only thing keeping the Red Army going was revolutionary morale and ye olde Russian manpower pool. I doubt they could have taken on the German forces and staged a full-blown invasion. Not to mention the German Revolution was pretty much dead by then, and the German people might just see them as common imperialistic invaders, like real Eastern Europe did.

It hurts, user, I know, it hurts.

LOL he just went fulll anarchist.

You sure you are Holla Forums

Sometimes I feel leftism is hopeless… That all I'm doing is bashing my head against a giant brick wall, hoping that it breaks down.
I sometimes wonder how I can continue while fascism makes victories and captialism becomes worse.
Sometimes I feel like I should give up and become a liberal.
But then I see stuff like this and I remember that there are people who understand how I feel and agree with me and I get inspired and feel hopeful again.
…I love you comrades and sorry if this post is too sentimental

just no

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Would you rather Melenchon turns out to be a Sucdem or a Tanky and ceize the mean of power and production by force persecuting the bourgoisie?

how is that even a question

So you support a dictator just for the sake of being a dictator. nice knowing you're no better than fascist.

kill yourself succdem i genuinely mean it

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Both. First the tankie revolutionary period followed by socialism with french characteristics.

I'm pro-melanchon, but lets not go down this path. There are legitimate reasons to be skeptical of what can be accomplished under bourgeois democracy. Calling everyone who digresses from the party line shills and outside infiltrators creates a toxic atmosphere, lets keep this board from turning into Holla Forums 2 lefty bogaloo.

Well, he plain to quit the presidency after about two years.

Wtf I love the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact now.

Imma need some translation for this. Is the 2nd pic about how that Melenchon is a hologram decoy?

Never give up on the struggle comrade.

Its the Mandela Effect, universe switch in progress

maybe this time Rosa will live

what did he mean by this?

The vast majority of people who ever fought for any cause didn't get to contribute to it, I think. Like with so many things, it's more up to luck than anything. Some are born in the right place and time to become a Lenin, some will have to be content with being cannon fodder in the Winter War, and most will just sit down and fume, having an existential crisis because they can't see how they can help the good cause. Them's the breaks. We can only hope we'll live long enough to see an opportunity in helping bring capitalism down.

Think harder user, I'm sure you will get it!

Don't tire yourself, it's a hologram.

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Truly a gulag with a human face

humans vs orcs

Poles deserved it.

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE I just want someone to sail my country safely, no radical candidat that can be a wildcard. at this point I'm even willing to vote Fillion.

like pottery

this but unironically

why?

Fillion is basically Macron anyways without the smiling face.

Fillion has allot of baggage, very few people will fallow him.
everyone will be against on the street at the moment he thinks about passing a reform

Firing 500.000 workers and imposing severe austerity is not safe.

It's time to form the ULTIMATE ACCELERATIONIST Trump-Erdo-Fillon train !!

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People like you are the problem radicals exist in the first place.

anti-socdem inquisition when?

Everyone should go buy shares in Melenchon winning on Predicit, we could make a windfall and use it for funding our socialist militias.

Excellent.

express.co.uk/news/world/792112/Marine-Le-Pen-French-election-votes-computer-Emmanuel-Macron

GEE I WONDER WHO THIS IS FOR.

Stop spreading this stupid canard. Voting is France is linked to your carte d'identite. It would be impossible to vote twice.

yes he is.

those cucks, wanting to take all the women

wait

The funny part is you think Lenin is a leftist

lol even in that aspect they're moderates

why do people keep saying he's a social democrat?

Y-you too.

americans can't understand what a different culture is
they have to keep projecting their own on everybody

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How's he doing in the polls now? Still climbing?

youtube.com/watch?v=2vwMWHTSpqU

He's sliding down now bros :(

Oh well, the hype was fun when it lasted. Maybe next time when he fire has risen even more the frogs will elect an /ourguy/.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_French_presidential_election,_2017#Verified_candidates

Mélenchon in 2nd place now according to Terrain poll

blog-scanresearch.leterrain.fr/2017/04/17/jl-melenchon-devance-de-peu-m-le-pen/

Macron 24%
Mélenchon 22%
Le Pen 21.5%
Fillon 18%
Hamon 8%

The latest Poll is from a complete diferent source and cited less people them the last one.

seems like this is not reported on wikipedia
fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_de_sondages_sur_l'élection_présidentielle_française_de_2017#Avril_2017

They put Le Terrain polls on wikipedia too, I think. This poll will probably be reported there sooner or later.

do threads hit auto-sage on leftypol? this thread is getting too big

The recycle is enabled on this one. So, it won't auto-sage.

The future is not that fucked it seems

It's on the english article now
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_French_presidential_election,_2017#Verified_candidates

Neat. It would definitely be fun if he makes it to the first round.

i demand another poll, most people say that the largest voting base of LePen are young adults (18-25)

sauce pls

The post-Dengist propaganda piece The Founding of a Republic, available in full on youtube.
youtube.com/watch?v=ymoUQj1SAIk

Insane liberals, as usual:
Master Yoda, Harry Potter, etc. ask French voters not to opt for Le Pen
rt.com/news/385044-yoda-french-voters-lepen/

That"s an old poll. His support is now at 44% among 18-24 year olds according to this article released today. The future belongs to us.

nytimes.com/2017/04/16/world/europe/jean-luc-melenchon-france-presidential-election.html?_r=0

this meme really needs to die

blog-scanresearch.leterrain.fr/2017/04/17/jl-melenchon-devance-de-peu-m-le-pen/

GO GO GO GO

So, what are we gonna do to radicalise France?

Having the original polls and their methodology would be nice.

The idea that gen z is going to be more conservative is a total fabrication based on cherry picked stats. We need to challenge it whenever its spread though because it will become a self-fulfilling prophecy if the youth believe it.

The French already have a level of class consciousness that people in other western countries can only dream about.

Disregard that, i suck cocks.

We just have to wait now.
youtube.com/watch?v=k4mrkP3xgdc

They're going to be techno-capitalists which is a form of reactionary. They won't care about the stuff that millennials do. But they'll tolerate blacks and gays.

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not at all surprised

I'd rather like to see Le Pen for the second round, because the press will shill for Maricon harder than during the DNC primaries and he will be build up as the second coming of Jesus Christ who will protect France from irrational leftism with his sane economic policies (and inevitably become a second Hollande with 10% ratings at the end of his terms)
But at least this will get us some Holla Forums tears earlier.

votecompass.france24.com

I think it's the compass that's broken. I support in this order

Hamon > Melenchon > Macron > Fillion > Poutou

Modern libruls only get politics through pop culture references

what?

where did you get this test from? source?

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True.

Is anyone surprised?

Post results

votecompass.france24.com/president/results/?s=a0f05b4c0393e50646a6630d9d681959852bc1891492471483

Don't have fakebook so I can't show graph

Got the same percentage for Hamon and Melenchon ftw i'm a neolib now

votecompass.france24.com/president/results/?s=e81056034c2daf353218a226786755264b927cfb1492472335

does this make me a closet nazbol?

No shit, but nonstop defeatism & encouraging people not to get politically involved is in itself, counterrevolutionary.

Sure, but I wasn't calling everyone shills. Only the troll type posts that were particularly shill-y/fed-y.

No, it just means that this quiz doesn't take into account that fascists use socialist talking points to get into power. They play people like the fiddle. Hold with the left, and play with the right.

Btw, I didn't mean to come off so rude, lmao. I get where you're coming from & that's a valid concern to not want to turn like Holla Forums, calling everyone shills. I was just seeing way more comments like that than usual, so wanted to say something or else people may have been demotivated for any leftist victory or to work towards.

You're a gem and thank you.

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Something needs to be done about people portraying him as anti-EU. Also, what do we do with Macron? He's not going down in the polls at all.

amp.theguardian.com/world/2017/apr/17/le-pen-and-macron-woo-paris-as-french-election-enters-final-stretch-presidential-race

kill him?

Macron is our Hillary and we would rather elect our cheap copy of Trump rather than this banker who fake everything he do.

Anybody else getting the feeling that the polls are rigged in favor of Macron? Guy is boring as fuck, is a neoliberal banker, who the fuck would vote for this corporate shill? Mainstream Meteor tells me he is top ranked in every poll, should I believe them?

Macron have half the French medias behind him and some polling institutes as well.

See and ask yourself if this candidate is faking the hype.
youtube.com/watch?v=3BPckfQ8N7c

You could literally make the same infograph about the media for every western country.

And then liberals wonder why people start watching Alex Jones

top fucking kek

These two cucks with the Macron shirt crack me up

But remember, you should be afraid of fake news. Only official media tell you the official truth.

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how does 100% income tax work? It sounds good, but does that mean the people at the top will have no income?

It's basically a maximum wage.

Actually it's 90%, 100% would be illegal

It means the state will have to entirely emulate the investments into the economy otherwise done by the top 1%.

Surely it's better than just having all the capital in the hands of the rich, but France would basically need a Marxist-Leninist Gosplan think tank to make this work. If they just introduce 100% tax but make no proper planning efforts the economy is going to tank.

Plus the bureaucratic cost and expenditure to determine the property of the rich will be massive - they like to hide their money.

no retard, all PORTION of the income that is above X amount is taxed out. they still get the rest.

Also income tax not capital gains.

Please learn what a progressive tax rate is. Are you one of those retards who thinks if you make more you can potentially take home less?

lmao I was just asking, I guess I understand now though, thanks guys

I can't wait for the whole Europe to freak out if Melenchon makes it to the second round. That would be two weeks of absolute bliss.

260 weeks*

Now imagine a 2nd turn Melenchon vs Le Pen

are there any frogs on leftypol? if so how is media covering melenchon? are they slandering him or just giving air time to Macron and LePen?

In less than a week he went from "that funny guy WHO WILL NEVER WIN but that we all kinda likes" to "Maximilien Ilitch Mélenchon".

Can you explain this to me? Is Maximilien a reference to Robespierre?

Maximilien is for Robespierre and Ilitch is for Lenin.

Sounds like a decent enough endorsement to me, bring on the guillotines

The situation is a little different than in the US : there are several big right-wing media publications, but they tacitly admit to be right-wing, unlike "fair and balanced" Fox News. The biggest daily is one of them (the Figaro), but the most "respected" (Le Monde, still big too, probably 2nd although I don't know for sure) kind of tries to be neutral and professionnal, unlike MSNBC or CNN. So they're giving him some coverage.
They've been reporting on his campaign, sometimes giving voice to opinion pieces against him, but also reporting on somewhat big names saying they're gonna support him, either now or in the 2nd round. The mayor of Grenoble, 16th biggest city (Green, elected on an alliance between the Greens and the Left Front, basically Mélenchon's party he made when leaving the PS for the 2012 elections), has said he would support him. Piketty, whom you might have heard about, said he would support him instead of Macron in the 2nd round, as well as Hamon himself (the PS candidate, Piketty is his adviser for now). They reported on both of these statements and the articles were visible on the front page, not buried somewhere out of sight.
The aforementioned Figaro has been very tough on him, with an entire front page dedicated to attacks against him some days ago. It's not sure whether this is working and turning people off or not. The editor in chief of one of these right-wing weeklies also gave an interview where he displayed a very silly, old-fashioned, self-imbued view of his job, literally saying "being in contact with people "polluted" the mind of the editocrat" (a name given to editor in chiefs who write daily, usually admittedly biaised, editorials), and that his function was like a "tutor with which people could grow, like vine". So maybe something this kind of trite made people take a step back too.
They've tried to give him a lot of shit for suggesting France should apply to the ALBA, because of French Guiana and the Caribbean territories, yelling about Venezuela and dictatorship and whatnot, but they've been really good at countering that and made a couple videos about it. Althought that might not convince the ones who don't wanna be convinced.

The state council ruled that 90% would be "confisquatoire" so it is illegal too. It's retared anyway and it's just a promise he do while he is in campaign to get the vote of the economically illiterate youth.

Elections don't happen in one day. The result of the second turn is easy to predict, and the president get into office only weeks after the election, so you can be sure their won't be a cent to collect.

Le figaro do what its motto say. They suck whatever dick is in power. They bashed Sarko before the election, sucked his dick while he was prez and bash him now. They went feral on Holland before the election, sucked his dick until now and be ready for a change.

It is owned by the company making the Rafale, so maybe they want the president to buy more birds.

He is running to change the Constitution. So, unlike everyone else with unconstitutional campaign problems in theory he could make that allowed from now on.

Then he need a majority at the parliament (no way professional politicians are going sing the end of their comfy nest) or to win a referendum. I doubt French people will sign if he ask for full power.

i dont buy it, even if he's elected, admitting that he phagocytes the last of the left of the PS, he will hardly get the 300 seats in the national assembly, 200 at best maybe.

Imagine being such a boring normie that you go get fired up at a Macron rally.

You can just tell those shirts were cooked up in some think tank by people who used to work for American Apparel.

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Pleasant surprise!

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Treat everything weird the liberal media does at this point as being in absolute denial about the imminent death of everything they've ever known.

Jews

same thing

Jews are based and have a great intellectual and marxist culture.

Don't let Holla Forums memes subvert your minds. Jews are good.

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just a joke comrade

I know, but just saying that letting these ideas infect your mind can have material effects.

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what harm can a couple jew jokes do

nice.

Reflecting on the Terrain poll has this song singing in my ears

youtube.com/watch?v=x9a4fFYAFfc

lemonde.fr/election-presidentielle-2017/article/2017/04/18/france-2-confirme-son-emission-du-20-avril-avec-les-onze-candidats_5113051_4854003.html

Mélenchon attend des « garanties écrites » avant de participer à l’émission de France 2, le 20 avril

Contrairement à ce que la chaîne avait laissé entendre, le candidat de La France insoumise à la présidentielle n’a pas encore confirmé sa présence pour jeudi soir.

Winning aside, what would you prefer?
Mélenchon/Le Pen or Mélenchon/Macron?

Le Pen. I fear Macron would beat our Jean-Luc.

the first obviously

I mean, who do you wants to see butthurts?
The media or Holla Forums?

First by a mile but I fear we're getting the second. First one will test the neoliberal mainstream rhetoric (how will they find a way to deride Melenchon when he's up against LITERALLY HITLERINA?) but the second will test the "anti-establishment" motive of alt-right types. Either way we're getting an interesting and depressing look into hypocrisy I predict.

I'm more optimistic of a Macron/Melenchon face off.

Melenchon gets some amount of Hamon voters and Le Pen voters.

I care about the improvement of the material conditions of the people of France. Ideally Le Pen doesn't get to the second round, and we get Melenchon vs. Fillion.

Heck, that would make the two camps you mention apoplectic.

Macron would be seen as the 'safe choice,' much like how Melenchon will be seen if he faces Le Pen.

He'll get most of the LePen voters I think.

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I'm not a frog but I speak french and follow the elections. basically they were laughing at him and now are not laughing anymore (which is the title of a big news article about how finance feel about Melenchon).

What they're doing is paint him as a dictator lover that wants to leave EU and join Venezuela and Iran and they're also pushing hard for Hamon which they didn't before in the hope that people would vote for Hamon which would take away votes from Melenchon. and they're playing recording of Melenchon saying he wouldn't ally with Hamon and saying Hamon's mistake was the non agression pact he had with Melenchon hoping to make it hard for Hamon not to drop and support Melenchon.

Over a hundreds of economics from 17 difference countries are supporting Mélenchon:
liberation.fr/elections-presidentielle-legislatives-2017/2017/04/18/pour-une-politique-economique-serieuse-et-a-la-hauteur-des-enjeux-votons-melenchon_1563456

So he isn't /ourguy/ after all?

Why not?

so typical liberal bullshit

Be real with me, comrades. What would happen were he to win the election

Hopefully a reworking of european trade and economy. At best a small step but still worth pressing on

liberals meltdown for days leading to lols and good times for all. france leaving the EU would result in greek levels economic sabotage possible destroying the EU itself.

You guys would be so lucky to get both liberal tears + your left candidate. In the US we only got the liberal tears.

Materially, a flourishing of democracy in France with the introduction of constituent assemblies and proportional representation. Last legislative elections the Left Front got 23% of the popular vote and I think 2 representatives in the Assembly. Those LF's will now be France Insoumise, and hopefully Melenchon will be able to direct those into a parliamentary bloc he can use, maybe with large defections from the crumbling Parti Socialiste.

I see him getting the retirement age down to 60, which is good because it means more job for the young, who will appreciate this politics all the more as a result.

There's a lot of good stuff with democracy Melenchon will be doing, reducing the power of the executive, improving the power of workers in their firms, that are all steps towards build socialism.

I think le VIeme Republique as envisioned by FI will be ideal for people's institutions being built.

If he gets concessions from the EU he may not leave, and if he doesn't buckle the result would be a radically different EU. Martin Schulz's election in Germany may be the barometer of whether these changes are possible.

That so many members of this board rejoice in the fear and material destruction the American election caused out of petty vindictiveness speaks to the poverty of its morality and commitment to building socialism.

He won't win.

Wrong. Take it to the bank.

He has the momentum. He has a better chance than Le Pen

stallman.org/
comrade stallman at it again

heh

I won't even argue with you there. CTR, the DNC, Hillary & her supporters were so completely underhanded & insufferable that yes, I rejoiced. I'm only human, after all.

However I do not think that speaks to my "morality" or commitment to building socialism. The only "good" that came of all of this, was Hillary's neoliberal actions coming to light & many dems seeing how pathetic/untrustworthy she is. As well as the "accelerationist" angle, of the left becoming more politically active.

We were all losing, no matter who won in the end.

The election didn't cause this, btw. This is simply built into our current system.

youtube.com/watch?v=_oqWpFFS8dI

Live meeting in 6 places at once.

thats extremely arguable

7

Cry moar you wanker.

Hopefully all this on a domestic level. The true potential is however in reforming of destroying the EU. As it is composed now, and was always envisioned, it is a conspiracy of moneyed interests against the public. It's not just that the EU has ravaged Southern Europe, they have smothered all true politics on issues that matter, that is, economics. All that is allowed is to stay within the narrow band of allowed fiscal policy of the Orwellian "Stability and Growth pact", and on top of that is the de facto gold standard that is the Euro. If he can force a change on those two issues, at the very least the member states will be free again to experiment with different kind of policies, including hopefully also committed leftist policies.

It's not the revolution. But it does hold the potential to improve peoples lives and to break the neoliberal deadlock.

I was just in a call with my cousin and she said she's voting Melenchon with her whole family. I wonder if she's class conscious or just because she's from the ghetto, a Maghrebine and a nurse which are the 3 groupes Melenchon speaks to the most.

PC wrote something.
r8, b8 & h8 m8s

politicalcompass.org/france2017

Le pen is literally Hitler.

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Maghreb don't usually vote, i guess they saw the shit comming this time, last time LePen ended up in second turn left a scar

I'm not trying to shill for macron, but is he really that economically right-wing? I know he's bad but this guy has placed him further right economically then he put Hillary or Trump, he is actually in the same position as Gary Johnson.

How radically is Marcon planning to overhaul France's economy? I feel that can't be accurate.

Le Pen and her party, since her father, actually, is fascist. Was always fascist. And fascism =/= Nazism.

I've heard many anecdotal accounts of Melanchon enthusing normally apolitical people. This is always a good sign.

Guardian's coverage of Mélenchon has been absolutely terrible so far.

theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/apr/18/jean-luc-melenchon-germany-putin-french-presidential-race?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

Macron is a full blown neoliberal. He wants to cut state spending by €60bn and cut 120,000 public sector jobs, reduce the corporate tax rate to 25% from 33.3%, "get tough" on unemployment benefits, raise the retirement age and get rid of the 35 hour work week. , Mr Macron also wants to keep France’s commitment to its eurozone partners to cut its longstanding budget deficit to below 3% of GDP. He's Fillion but with a smile and is okay with gay people.

If anything, that article made me like him even more

You're guaranteed both with Le Pen/Melenchon

Someone make this but with french candidates

why is this guy the most popular candidate again?

Does this race even exist anymore

After copious research and, yes, of course, now we have the internet, and this information is all readily available, but…

Jim Davis, he used his life experiences to influence his comic…

Like I mentioned before, none of them seem to have the weight of the pipe strip… But you have to wonder about the man who is able to even, just once, create the perfect form, a literally flawless execution of art, brilliance! Just as in a ward… I think there is a spiritual element at work…

I've seen my share of bad times and… when you have something… Well, it's just… emotions, and neurons in your brain, but… something tells you that it's the truth…

Truth's radiant light.

Garfield, the cat? Neurons in my brain, it's… it's harmony, you see? It… Jon and Garfield, it's truly harmony, like a… continuous, looping, everlasting harmony… The lavender chair, the brown end table, the salmon-colored wall, the fore's green carpeting, Garfield is hunched, perched… perhaps with the pipe stuck firmly between his jowls… His tail curls around. It's more than shapes too, because… I…

Okay, stay with me… I've done this experiment several times.

You take the strip. You trace only the basic elements. You can do anything, you can simplify the shapes down to just… blobs, just outlines, but it still makes sense…

You can replace the blobs with magazine cutouts of other things, replace Jon Arbuckle with a… car parked in a driveway sideways, cut that out of a magazine, stick it in… Replace him there in the second panel with a… a food processor… Okay, and then we put a picture of the planet in the third panel over Garfield…

It still works.

Day of the chopper soon faggots

Le Pen will liberate France

lefigaro.fr/vox/politique/2017/04/18/31001-20170418ARTFIG00223--fiscal-kombat-le-visage-faussement-souriant-de-la-haine-du-riche.php

Have some liberal tears for you.
Bonus points for the gratuitous accusation of xenphobia.

did it ever?

10/10 post, please return soon.

There you go.
People actually believe in neoliberalism and TINA.
Also the public sector is traditionally big in France, and all right-wingers and the media constantly talk about how it's bloated and unsustainable etc. and how public workers are "privileged" compared to the private sector, so we should level everything down to make it "fair" :^^^^^^^)

What public sector industries do the french have?

If you mean like metallurgy, no idea but probably close to zero. It's mostly administrative stuff. 25% is education, 20% health, 15% "technical" (plumber/cameraman/etc.). The stats aren't very specific.

Le Pen is already at her ceiling.

Le Pen will rise.

Railroad transportation.
Electricity is 86% state-owned (with a whooping 2% belonging to workers)
Most defence industry (EADS, Dassault, Thales) is partly or mostly state-owned as well.
Highways are technically still the property of state, exploited by for-profit companies.
In most towns, water is a municipal service.

quit your larping

Le Pen is the only hope for France. Shit, the Netherlands already fucked up their shot.

youtube.com/watch?v=Y-ooCnZviZ8
youtube.com/watch?v=T9moJawinsc

Jim Davis is a God among men. He deserves every bit of the adulation directed towards him.

yeah shes a "hope" for france just like trump was in the us
the dutch did the right thing in not putting that clown in power

After the Trump ridiculousness, I think far righters being voted in may take a hit.

I was writing the exact same, lmao.

come on i know you Holla Forumsyps can do better than that

111 off. But no, Holla Forums can't do better then that except on the odd occasion. Usually those are the ones who are more open to leftism and come with a genuine question.

I strongly recomend another terrorist attack at the very least.

dumb edgy meme, doesn't even make sense

No they didn't, they have a lolberg government which ceded several concessions to their right-wing opposition, it's one of the best results possible, since Wilders will get what he wants without having to risk face.

Even if Le Pen were to win very little would change because of the weak presidential powers, I don't think she even has the authority for a referendum.

The Guardian is a bourgeois-liberal paper much like our SPIEGEL. They try to appear lefty in order to attract readers but they really are neoliberal bourgeois imperialists. The butthurt in that article is sweet though, as a former DDR citizen i particularly enjoyed JLM's remark about the annexation of the DDR. The Guardian thinks that's revisionism. It's not, it's how it really went down, it was not a unification on equal terms, corporate neoliberal Germany essentially just swallowed us. The Guardian also suggests that JLM is hate-mongering against Germany but he doesn't. Anything he says with regard to Germany is directed against the neocon govt, not against us German people and has been said similarly before by leftist German politicians such as Oskar Lafontaine and leftist journalists.
The mega butthurt line about JLM daring to refer to the people as unified entity that is in opposition to a small caste of exploiters made me smile. The Guardian accidentally revealed there what idpol really is: a tool to divide the people.

No i mean they can make better disses of leftypol than "literally just posted the same thing as they're replying to, but with the target switched."
Not necessarily GOOD disses but better than that embarrassment.

Imagine being this petty at leftists over insults.

I'd tell you to get fucked by a goat, but I reckon you'd like it.

We have so much infighting we have disses for eachother.
Also why the fuck are you throwing a shitfit over insults

The Guardian getting nervous now wonderboy Macron is losing face

theguardian.com/world/2017/apr/19/emmanuel-macron-french-election-hopefuls-vie-last-votes

hope is a lie

no it's not

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Hearty laugh, thanks.

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will hamon voters all jump to melenchon or macron?

Macron is roughly in the same place as Gary Johnson from their other test
politicalcompass.org/uselection2016

kek

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no, vote switch is never 100%, and a lot already have, which is why he rose in the polls in the first place

Hamon and the other left candidates have said they will vote Melonchon. The right wing of French socialist party are probably already supporting Macron.

Holy fuck Macron married his high school teacher

yep.

Yeah sure his youth and not the fact that it probably legitimately started out as what would legally be considered rape

There are rumours about him being gay. Would make sense for a liberal candidate.

Nice

99.9% of women can't rape men over 15.
It's the truth.

that gigolo has some serious mommy issues, i'm sur many old French women will vote for him just because they think he's cute

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What is this a poll of?

Sucdem just prolongs capitalism's life.

goddamit

Russia is basically the ultimate CIA-backed oligitarian tax haven, it's the darth vader of the emperor. It aint's the devil, but it's still the devil's top bitch nonetheless.

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literally /ourtime/

It's not a poll.

This is actually a lot like Hugh Jackman, too. I was really surprised when I heard about his wife's age. She's 61 now & he's 48.

Still, it's nice to see actual liberals recognize this fact & not be in denial. I'm pretty surprised, tbh.

This celebrity worshipping faggotry is why the left, the twin brother of the right will never accomplish any of it's goals. You people are fucking losers. Go read people magazine and leave politics to the big guys.

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How is this celebrity worshiping faggotry he literally was just saying a surprising fact about a celebrity.

Also the Right complains about liberals and their celebrities, but that is just because they have so few themselves.

The right still slobs the knob of people like Clint Eastwood, Kanye West, and anyone who says anything remotely sympathetic to their cause. Hell the American rights hero is a fucking actor.

The fuck are you talking about? It says more about you that this is what you thought of when seeing some random comment. I just remembered some random thing I'd heard years ago & posted about it.

Take your meds, user.

Great point. You see whining all over FOX news & with some alt-righters about "muh under representation" in Hollywood. As if that actually matters in any way.
Also

Ronald Reagan, peace be upon him.

No, it just means that income is capped at 360 000€/year

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things like this warm my heart.

What's wrong with voting yourself more benefits?

Between wild hope and despair at the prospect of victory and defeat, I read Le Monde & Le Figaro and listen to RFI and feel an urge to pray though I know it will do nothing.

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What is melenchon's position on the Muslim issue?

Laicite. He considers religion to be oppression, and is personally against the wearing of the veil.

He considers being a refugee a punishment, which indicates to me he doesn't encourage immigration, those he is accepting of it, particularly since France plays such a prominent role in the destabilization of the countries many Muslim refugees are fleeing from.

I hate leftcoms.

So basically, it is the responsibility of France to continue to accept Muslims as penance for its previous actions in the Middle East?

Not sure how well that will go over in a Le Pen - Melenchon race

feels good, man

Do you not believe a people have an obligation to a people they have wrought destruction upon?

You say penance, and you implication is France should be accepting of terrorism, but that's a characterization. France is a communitarian nation, and accepting the wretched is a moral choice he agrees with.

fucks sake why won't this cuckmon guy just drop out? causing macron to lose would be the ultimate payback to his party betrayers

nate silver will hang himself, KEK

It's not like they're active participants in it. The vast majority of French people could probably care less about the Arabs and have no interest in military actions in the region. This is basically arguing that they should be held accountable for failure to overthrow the government for its actions in the Middle East.

I'm American so I don't really care who wins the French election, but I don't think Melenchon's chances are good in a Melenchon - Le Pen race. At least ~25% of the voters are willing to vote for some reason for no reason other than Muh Slims, since Le Pen has no platform aside from this, and it's not like the people who voted for a conservative are going to run out to vote for Melenchon over Le Pen.

The moderates will just go for the vichy government.

moderates for a reason, yeah…
sad

Le Pen is mostly full of shit about leaving the EU, one can only presume. Moderates are probably fine with "status quo, but also expel the Muslims".

Uh, that's basically the opposite of what nate silver's been saying about this? His line has been "pollsters are actively manipulating their data, who the fuck even knows what's going on."

Why are Le Pen rallies so barren? She truly is the Hillary candidate.

Chomsky, Glover and Ruffalo Call on France to Vote Melenchon

telesurtv.net/english/news/Chomsky-Glover-and-Ruffalo-Call-on-France-to-Vote-Melenchon-20170419-0044.html

telesur is a good source, though, for expanding on the topic.

Looks like Evola is on board

telesurtv.net/news/Evo-Morales-aplaude-avance-de-Melenchon-hacia-la-Presidencia-20170420-0021.html

I don't think it's an option for him to give up, the campaign costs too much money and his presence is a good thing for the traitors from the PS, if Mélenchon loses, it will be partly because of Hamon.

Many people from the PS will work in macron's government if that piece of shit is elected.

Fun fact: Mélenchon's favourite movie is Blade Runner (he said it in today's interview on tv), what's not to love about that guy?

cool.

Je dis pas ça sur internet normalement, mais va te pendre, sérieusement.

Someone just shared this in another thread

Age of consent is 15 in France

topkek

but what if the French consents?

Not in a teacher-student relationship. I've heard Frances tabloids are having a field day with this. I'm normally pretty live and let live but marrying a Women who sexually exploited you when you're 15 is totally and utterly fucked.

Fucking liberals man.

LePen is the French Hillary, a corrupt and despised politician.
her political party is a family business and nobody think she'd make a good president even the FN voters as amazing as it sounds.

her movement is 100% based on hatred and fear, everything else from social to economic guideline is laughable and radically change every decade.
the FN used to be ultra liberal less than a decade ago. now they'd be classified as far left.

the only persistent thing is hatred. not hope, unlike Trump who's line was "maga" which was a positive thing.
LePen's line would be more like "get those fucking shitskins out, we're all gonna die, REEEE"

literally my wife's son.

I sent this to my lib sister to see what she says

The Atlantic tho, never have there been more proud liberals.

it would be such a shame if another terrorist attacked happened in France right before election night.

attack*

what is it like to be on the same side as terrorists?.

There's been several attacks in recent years and it didn't fundamentally change anything. Maybe it does for stupid, hysterical americans, but not for educated people. Le Pen have been increasing slowly because of several reasons, and it didn't just explode because of past attacks.

Be the change you want to see in the world. I'm sure you'll make a convincing racist caricature.

Cops stopped a bomb attack against Le Pen. Maybe we will have another one.

hello Holla Forums.

I'm just shitposting but if you seriously think that a well coordinated islamist attack right before elction night won't somehow hand LePen the presidency I would say you are dangerously optimistic.

and while we are magicaly think maybe alies will give hamon a unicorn

I'm actually memeing a badly executed false flag giving it to Melenchon

i hope you fags saw /ourguy/ here
>france2.fr/direct

youtube.com/watch?v=uGiy1WWRRXk

oh wow you dumb assholes memed something into existence

The fuck are you on about?

bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-39662315

2unbiased4me

Reformism? What could possibly go wrong?

Not a fair comparison. Syriza was offered an ultimatum to go bankrupt or capitulate. A win for Melenchon is a win for the eurozone and fix Greece as well.

???

Right after saying there's no indication of who the shooters are, they immediately go "but it might be ISIS which is great for Le Pen"

It's not at all. The drive behind Le Pen is your generic anti-immigration ideology. Once again : there was no explosion of support after the attacks.

who would've guessed

Yeah this is exactly what I was saying, not the 15 bit.

Greece didn't have des forces de dissuasion.

forgot pic

Why am I not surprised?
Here is what it should look like

Macron is more like Hillary
She is more like Trump, but not as right wing

Posadas is pleased.

whew

there is your problem.
It was never independent, therefore it actually doesn't matter who's in charge.
Their Kings were German, ffs. You think they brought German efficiency into this country?
Heck no! They gave them the porky friendliest constitution in the fucking world. Now that they blew everything up, it's up to the lefties to fix it, but not really, or you will end up like Varoufakis.

well, now ISIS is taking credit

Amarnath Amarasingam‏Verified account @AmarAmarasingam 5m5 minutes ago

BREAKING: ISIS claims the #ChampsElysees attack, saying his name is "Abu Yusuf, a Belgian who is a fighter in the Islamic state."

no, she's no where near comparable to Trump.
people voted for him because he was (appeared to be) an outsider, Marine spent most of her life in politics and just like Hillary many people hate her and would rather vote for a dead rat than her.

Trump isn't rightwing, he's just good at telling people what they want to hear and bullshitting people.
LePen is a rightwing, but unlike her father she has political skills and is able to sugarcoat her stuff.

And that's exactly what Macron is: He doesn't have any program because he want to manage the country as a company + he says to people what they want to hear…

Francois Fillon calls for suspension of election campaigning after Paris attack.

how can u be this ignorant

Sucks, but I think this attack is too little and too late to do anything significant except maybe harden Le Piss's voters. Maybe another Nice scale attack would really shift the scales, but who gives a fuck about a single dead pig. Hell, the Pulse shooting in the States barely made a dent in Hillary's polling the week after it happened and that was really deadly. And I know you might be saying "Hillary lost, you fag!" and you are right, but she did get way more votes and France doesn't have a dipshit electoral college system.

but that's fucking worse. the only bearable leftist candidat is Hamon, maybe poutou but he has no chance.

also

like clockwork.

Nigga what the fuck are you retarded?!?
He has no fucking chance!

He doesn't care about the election, this guy just want to get hear by the people about how capitalism is shit and he wants to BTFO politicians in general.

The best case we can have is Mélenchon and Le Pen not because Mélenchon will win the second tour but because it will put the French establishment in the corner!

Her father has political skills too, ya know. Jean-Marie Le Pen just never wanted to take power, he enjoyed the comfort of being a force of the opposition.

never said that Macron had a program but he's definitely not as good as Trump when it comes to bullshitting.
he tryes to rub everyone the nice way and end up saying nothing, its quite funny to watch.

thats probably true.