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Why can't Leftcoms be associated with Rosa instead?

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Because she wasn't a leftcom.

Yo this tbh

Then what was she?

Bordiga=le armchair XD
Posadas=ayy lmao!!

Because she was killed years before the left communist current was created. Her party never even joined the communist left post-mortem. At best she was influential on left communism.

Marxist communist without adjectives.

A fairly standard Second International Marxist.

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theanarchistlibrary.org/library/francois-martin-and-jean-barrot-aka-gilles-dauve-eclipse-and-re-emergence-of-the-communist-move

Appendix A is, in my opinion, a great way to start thinking about Bordiga, but of course you should also let him speak for himself by reading his own work.

I've already had 3 leftcoms telling me to read Gilles Dauvê within the past 3 days. Is he the new hip leftcom meme after Bordiga wore itself out?

Also, actually I didnt read him, is he any good? I didn't like Bordiga at all

especially appropriate with the latest news i guess

bordiga is p cool though

I personally am trying to turn him into a meme, but I can't speak for everyone pushing for him. I forced Bordiga as a meme earlier because I wanted people to read Bordiga, and I'm just beginning to force Dauvê for the same reason.

But Dauvê hasn't appeared from no where. Most modern leftcoms subscribe to communization theory, which Dauvê essentially created through a synthesis of Bordiga and Pannekoek.

As a tankie, you're likely to find some of Dauvê idealistic. However, his perspective might allow you to come up with new ideas on how a vanguard party could be run to encourage communization.

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The vanguard party meme needs to die.

Communization is anti-party, hence it couldn't even be vanguardist. Do you ever bother to understand things before screaming autistically about them?

There could be some sort of ideological vanguard which takes upon itself to empower workers and push them towards communization, but that doesn't take the responsibilities of the market a la the USSR. Although, this would be more of a propaganda machine than a party.

Posadas was the most revolutionary and brilliant thinker of the 20th century and the ultimate socialist theorist. His groundbreaking ideas are held in high regard here on leftypol both for their logical consistency and far sighted ideals.

Because she actually did something. Any actual real life attempt at establishing socialism is cancer to leftcoms.

An orthodox Marxist with some sprinkled realizations coming from her own time, seeing as she was a contemporary of Lenin.

a martyr

So what do we do with Merkel, Schulz and all other SPD twats when we come to power in Germany?

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Luxemburgist.

Bordiga was pro party and the post I quoted explicitly mentions a vanguard party

feels good man

it makes sense really

This. And the same goes for Lenin.

Being anti-party doesn't mean being anti-vanguard, that only makes sense if you swallow the Liberal meme that all vanguardism=bolshevism

Posadas was a Trotskyist who had a couple of pet crank ideas, particularly that nuclear holocaust was favorable because Communists could then rebuild society from the ashes and that UFOs were both real, but also that any species advanced enough to be capable of space travel also had to be Communist, so he believed that Socialists should try to make contact with UFOs.

Bordiga was an Italian Leftcommunist who was a leading figure in the Italian Communist Party in the 20's and 30's and a controvercial voice in the Third International. Basically he criticized the Soviet Union for being State Capitalist (long, long before and Trots made the claim) and literally told Stalin he was a piece of shit to his face. He also rejected United Front tactics and entryism as class collaborationist and opportunistic. I think this was disciplined, but in practice it helped to contribute to the rise of Fascism as many Communists chose to sit out any kind of direct action against the Blackshirts, so this is where the armchair memes come from.

This webm is my favourite webm of all time.

Not true. They fought off fascists when they attacked party offices and striking workers.

As said this is untrue. Bordiga rejected the United Front, yes, but still organized a militant opposition to both the Blackshirts and regular cops of bourgeois democracy he had always opposed (unlike virtually every anti-fascist movements of the time). With the rejection of the United Front he conversely embraced the Trade Union Front strategy, with all the syndicates in association joining the militancy as well as reaching out to other syndicates with his influence.

The reason for this is because in Bordiga’s eyes, from the point of view of the revolution, it is not true that fascism is worse than (bourgeois) democracy, nor that democracy creates better conditions for the proletarian class struggle. Even if democracy were to be considered a lesser evil than fascism, it would be stupid and useless to support democracy in order to avoid fascism: the Italian (and later, German) experience showed that democracy had not only been powerless in the face of fascism, but had called fascism to its rescue. Afraid of the proletariat, democracy actually bred fascism. The only alternative to fascism was therefore the dictatorship of the proletariat.

The liberals – the same people anti-fascism counts on to stop fascism – joined the government. With the exception of the socialists and the communists, all parties sought a rapprochement with the PNF and voted for Mussolini: the parliament, with only 35 fascist MPs, supported Mussolini’s investiture 306-116. Giolitti himself, the great liberal icon of the time, an authoritarian reformer who had been head of state many times before the war, and then again in 1920-21, whom fashionable thought still fancies in retrospect as the sole politician capable of opposing Mussolini, supported him up to 1924. Democracy not only surrendered its powers to the dictator, but ratified them.

We might add that in the following months, several unions, including those of the railway workers and the sailors, declared themselves “national”, patriotic, and therefore not hostile to the regime: repression did not spare them.

Historical: ia601605.us.archive.org/22/items/in.ernet.dli.2015.176469/2015.176469.The-Rise-Of-Italian-Fascism-1918-1922.pdf.

Fucking Nazis with their WW3 and Holocaust, if it wasn't for them a much more unhindered assessment and analysis of fascism would be possible. There were dozens of genocides and wars in capitalist history and yet the general population tends to strongly associate it with Nazism and fascism only.

All ideology is memed into existence. If it resonates with people, they distill it down to a more digestible form and replicate. Literally memes.

Besides, Hoxhaism-Pasadaism just makes sense. You don't want to nuke the revolutionaries.

Not that user, but the main issue with Bordiga is not the lack of cooperation with the liberals, no sane socialist/communist would argue for that in hindsight. The issue is the fact that he refused to even cooperate with syndicalist and anarchist elements in Italy which were also militantly fighting the fascists.Lenin told him several times to cooperate with such groups, and he simply refused, loosing what may have been a key tactical advantage against the fascists.

Platformism is anarchist vanguardism and firmly against parties. You could even call it the ideal realization of Bakunin's "invisible dictatorship" in the sense that he meant it (anarchists actively advocating their ideas within face-to-face assemblies of the proletariat as solutions to problems brought up).

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ty for your kind replies comrades :3

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