Tankies love relationship with Right-Wingers

Why do Tankies love right-wing authoritarians so much?

Just look at them defending Duterte and Assad.

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I defend Assad against US Imperialism, as for Duterte I hope he is overthrown by the peoples war being carried out by the Communist Party of the Philippines.

Pro-Duterte people need to drink bleach.

tankies ARE right-wing authoritarians


fuck off phil greaves

What is exactly defines a tankie? Is it just the use of authority?

Revolution is pretty authoritarian, its the act of an overthrow of a class and the suppression of said class.

What, do you assume all libertarian socialists are retards? They acknowledge and understand this, but also know this does not justify dictatorships.

USSR was state capitalism anyway.

Left wing of capital is united with the right wing of capital if it works out.

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Everything that isnt a communist world is a dictatorship of one class or another. Its either a DOTB or its a DOTP on the road to abolishing class divisions and thus the DOTP itself.

Rojava has private property, it is not revolutionary. The PYD are a party of kurdish petty bourgeoisie

USSR became state capitalist post-Stalin when Khrushchev and other revisionists re-instituted pricing.

Tankies are people who call themselves MLs or similar but advocate primarily for people and governments that aren't even competently pretending to be left wing, like the USSR under Stalin.

Why iis one shitty symptom of capitalism worth to be defended from another shitty symptom of capitalism?

Assad is objectively left-wing.

If any bourgeois parliamentary candidate in your country proposed half of the social provisions enjoyed by Syrians you would be licking their boots and praising the god of reformism.

Neither is Syria. In fact, Assad Jr moved away from his father's more planned economy by ushering in neoliberal reforms

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I stand against all bourgie so I don't support any of them. Unlike you who wants cocksuck bourgie regimes as long as they are le "anti-imperialist" meme

Lol which ones? Are you that delusional that you think pre-war Syrian economy is a heaven for proles?

If I want any of you generous Soc Dem "social provisions", I'll just go to Scandinavia thanks

he's right you know

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user I'm not a tankie either, but tbh what other options do we have? The "moderate rebels" are basically religious extremists

also the Kurds are only interested in Kurdish territory

the international proletariat

I defend them because they're anti-American. It's not like they're actually good, but the best hope for ending capitalism in the near future is Arab nationalism backed by Russia ending the petrodollar and causing a global capitalist crisis.

Posts like this are why Holla Forums is going to shit tbh

this is a cop out. "i dont stand with anyone" aka "im an anarchist" aka "please nuke me asap america" aka rojava when they are no longer useful to america

The Kurds have already moved out of Kurdish territory

Because tankies real ideology is a complex web of my side/their side, it's pretty similar to that of right-wingers who support assad, israel and russia, with their opponents being a unified conspiracy. T

A tankies relation to right wing authoritarians isn't any different then the cross pollination between anarchists and right-libertarians.

I haven't seen any anarchist "principled support" for ron paul.

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Smells like /r/socialism in here.
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The beliefs are more complex than just "I liek Soviet Mustache Mario man, vodka lol"

Classical Marxist theory laid out that a Proletariat dictatorship would take over the state after a class conscious revolution, in order to foresee the dissolving of the state during the transition into a communist society.

Leninism branched off and specified that socialism and communism are two entirely different things, and instead of going from a Proletariat dictatorship to communism, you could stabilize the country by utilizing a Vanguard party, shift to socialism, then shift to communism.

The founding of a russian vanguard party got fucked over when Lenin unexpectedly died after the revolution and the people were pissed at the unorganized state of affairs, Stalin picked up the pieces, went with the Proletariat Dictatorship option, centralized planning established, he BTFO's hitler, then the cycle of getting fucked over repeats because then he unexpectedly dies as well.


TL;DR
Tankies believe in the intermediary step of a Proletariat dictatorship[state capitalism], to achieve communism

Leninists believe in using a Vanguard party to achieve communism,

Leftcoms believe in mobile armchairs with tank treads equipped with anti-opportunist cannons on both armrests.

I want to write a leftcom science fiction now.

Average tankie.

And precisely this faulty organization led to the revolution failing and enabling Stalin to erect an authoritarian, oppressive regime in the first place. If your revolution is dependent on one man, then it was a bad revolution.

Don't forget the part where the state took a role as an abstract capitalist, the proletariat was oppressed and millions of people perished under authoritarian rule of an increasingly paranoid leader of the country.

And haven't understood Marx.

There are no Leninists anymore. If you call yourself a Leninist you have surprisingly managed to understand less than MLs.

Yes, funny. You see OP, MLs see everyone who calls them out on their shit as either a Leftcom or anarchist, because obviously strawmanning your opposition into "lazy non-achievers" justifies your belief in oppressive ideology.

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why not both?

You just strawmanned me.


….I agree?

I don't have a problem with Leftcoms mate, it was a joke.

I don't see how a 74 year old man dying can be 'unexpected'.

Also, helpful hint - if your political organisation requires a strongman at the centre of it in order to continue functioning, you calling it a dictatorship 'of the proletariat' is using three too many words.

"Continue functioning" as in allowing a society that is trying to transition into a collectivist AnCom society not to be face fucked into another dimension by imperialist capitalist countries, then sure.

Lol your view is more of a cop out. America opposes them, therefore, they are le bestest socialists ever (tm)

"Both" is fine, so long as it's understood the tankie position is not a voluntary dissociation from the left. Yes, stalinist ideology interferes with any real resolution to the contradictions of capitalism.

Oswald mosley was a pretty cool guy tbh

Honestly, I don't get it. I can't seem to think of a single political difference between stalinists and nazis.

You both hate niggers and kikes
You both want daddy hitlerstalin to give you his dick-tatorship
You both loathe freedom in concept and practice
You both love the idea of reining in the capitalist economy with state control
You both jerk off about all the people you're gonna kill on the day of the ropevolution
You both can't get enough of defending horrible dictatorships of all stripes

Why don't you lot just fuck off over to Holla Forums? You're the only tendency on this board that is sympathetic to Holla Forums's pissweak 'hurr durr kill the nignogs', 'hey guys you should like some authoritarian cunt' bait threads.

You have no fucking idea how Marxism, Leninism or Marxism-Leninism works.

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where can i find a cute tankie gf

Have you ever even fucking read Marx?

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Woops, fixed the image for you, OP!

And then we kill the Nazis, right?

Beyond telling people on the Internet about your opinions, how have you contributed in a meaningful way to help Assad stay in power?

I swear I see twitter tankes say stuff like this over and over again, but it has absolutely no meaning.

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Well, it can be, as long as the proletariat control the fucking state.

more like dictatorship of the burocrats against the proletariat

Well, then the workers doesn't control the state.