How can you guys be communists and yet like so many things that the historical commies considered "degenerate and...

Did he ever wrote about pre-capitalist popular culture?

How'd you classify them?

Actually there were lots of leftist prog rock bands. Avant-prog and RIO bands were mainly leftist I think.

That's not what history tells us.

lol

Tell me more about artistic freedom in the Eastern Bloc.

Well some Yes members were into Hinduism and esoteric stuff so I would place them slightly to the left
But yes I agree on ELP and prog in general

youtube.com/watch?v=SWqvaMEFIdI

post your favorite prog rock

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What do you think Radioheads political leanings are?
Also Thom Yorke supported the Trafalgar square riots against the IMF and said how he didn't care what tactics anarchists used as long as they got the message out
theguardian.com/friday_review/story/0,,371289,00.html

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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Czechoslovak_New_Wave

I think both of them can be said to be bourgeois.

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1968-1974 was truly the best year for prog rock and all of music. Though stuff like tool and opeth sounds really good. I never could get into Dream Theatre though, everyone that listens to it also listens to the older stuff but I just can't get into them.

Post-punk is so good and almost all of the bands were left-wing.

You listen to At The Drive-In or Mars Volta? What do you think of them?

That is the most capitalist authoritarian group in history except for maybe Metallica.

Yes, I listen to them occasionally. Good bands, but not my personal favorites. And you?

Frank Zappa is definitely libertarian right, near the center

They're pretty good. I don't really listen to punk but they kind of have a punk vibe to them. Sad that they're so underrated. Recommend some good punk rock and I'll maybe start getting more into it.

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'Historical communists" weren't communist dummy. The fact there were states with money and institutional hierarchy completely defies the notion they were ever communist.

A) Communism is by definition the elimination of class. There would be no working class under communism.

B) Just because socialism places economic and political power in the hands of the workers doesn't mean that people's creative tastes must conform to the current tastes of the workers. Just because some workers don't get a piece of art doesn't mean it will be dismissed as bourgeois. Even if some art does convey bourgeois sentiment that doesn't mean it will be banned. After all, art that communicates proletarian sentiment isn't banned under capitalism.

C) Working class intellectual culture was a thing that was killed by mass media and consumerism. Big Bill Haywood wrote "Here in the bunkhouse miners would gather around the table and play cards or chess or read… They were all great readers… I did not have many books of my own, but the miners all had some. One had a volume of Darwin; others had Voltaire, Shakespeare, Byron, Burns and Milton… We all exchanged books and quite a valuable library could have been collected among these few men."

Actually, Communism is by definition and in practice enforced equality. Or, more realistically, socialism for the Jews. Nazism, on the other hand, is socialism for the Gentiles.

Were they /ourguys/?

And Rainbow… oh my god the Ronnie James Dio and Cozy Powell incarnation of that band was incredible. And Judas Priest and Mötorhead and The Scorpions and Black Sabbath… God, why couldn't I have been old enough to enjoy that era?

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I really hope so

The problem here is that during the cold war all forms of American/western "entertainment" were effectively weaponized by the CIA and other intelligence services in order to disrupt communist societies. Once every capitalist state has been obliterated there will be total artistic freedom. During the war period however there will be restrictions on what can and cannot be published.

I'm sure Lenin thought the exact same thing when he was in charge, and it didn't go so smooth.

And just when will that war period end, hmm? When will you finally decide that everyone is equal? When they're all enslaved? Or are some still more equal than others even under THAT setting?

Death in June should be in the red, Douglas Pearce actually identifies as a Nazbol.

Indeed. That is the failing of the vanguard. That is why the Dictatorship of the Proletariat must be exactly that.

Stop ruining satanflag

Exactly when I said that it would. It will end when capitalism is completely defeated. The first half of the socialist century will be filled with intense warfare as we slowly dismantle global capitalism by force of arms. Then once we have subsumed the capitalist countries we will rebuild and then transition to anarchy. This is basic stuff.

But all of those outcomes ARE the ultimate goal of Communism. Those left over are empty shells used as slaves on an interstellar scale.

Except you fail to take into the count that capitalism and communism have the exact same masters, just with different faces. Why do you expect things will be different? And why do you think the goal of Communism is anything other than its actual Talmudic definition?

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Not an argument, as you folks love to say.

It's a Holla Forums meme you fucking moron

I miss Dio so much.

When manual labor is automated away and replicators are invented, the ruling class will need to be humiliated, lest they push the rest of us to extinction. Also, having leaders is different from hierarchy.

Go back to reddit you fuckwit.

You and Holla Forums are one and the same for the most part, so I dont really care.

This is why nobody takes you seriously

"but HOW can you be COMMUNIST if (incorrect nonsense)"

we have this thread every day

That's you. That's how dumb you sound.

Read a book.

Democracy is a sham meant to appeal to those who are spiritually and mentally inept.

Except in all cases, the person you put in charge is the person most capable. The only way you're going to get a "leaderless" society is to force everyone to be the same, and who's going to enforce that? Perhaps the same tribe who's been trying to enforce it for millenia…

Nobody said anything about a "leaderless" society, only one without rulers.

No, that's the strategy for creating mass consumption. Why do you think everything is shit these days, from entertainment to electronics to foods? Everything is aimed at the lowest common denominator, no risk, huge reward strategy. Take out economic factors and such a strategy makes no sense.

A society without rules and rulers is called anarchy, something that only exist as a temporary state of being before turning into totalitarianism once again.

But what if it wasn't temporary?

You can still have rules, so long as they are the people's' rules and not the master's rules. And you can still have leaders so long as they are merely leaders and not masters.

read a fucking book jesus christ

And how would you keep order from arising? Magic, perhaps? You guys are materialists, you dont have any of that.

Read things that aren't propaganda.

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so the actual definition of the word you're using and the proper etymology is propaganda?

them damn greeks, inventing language and shit! propaganda! Many such cases!

What I have described is order. This is how human societies functioned for many thousands of years. Some old guy even wrote a book about it.

One of the oldest tricks in the Kabbalah is to change around definitions to the point where things end up meaning practically the opposite of what they really mean. It's one of the ways the kikes use magic to screw us over.

I just told you, that's not the definition. It doesn't matter whatever special snowflake thingy you come up with, what matters is how it works in practice, and I can say that from observing what happens both on this world and others, my definition is far more accurate than yours.

There is just no end to your stupidity is there

Why is prog rock 'inherently' any ideology?

There is a certain level of retardation where fruitful engagement becomes impossible. I see now that you've far exceeded this limit.

He would have a lot of fun with J-pop and K-pop

jej.

It's okay, you can admit you lost. Admitting your incompetence is the first step towards doing something about it.

yeah fuck Stalinist shitters, who are they to tell me I can't have anime /cuteboys/

You're thinking of capitalism, as art becomes commodified.

Hahahaha.

youtube.com/watch?v=MeE3-rOG7i4

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