Am I making a mistake? It's the only subject I'm good at in high school.
No, I won't give in to the ideology they peddle, or become a socdem reformist, I'm too far gone for that. I was thinking that studying economics would enable me to properly criticize it.
economics is a meme unless you go to an elite school.
unfalsifiable pseudoscience
Well you can always analyze it and despook people about it.
Remember to read classical economists and Marx to combat the school's bullshit
Isn't the politics in economics departments really shitty and isn't association with heterodox ideas very likely to hurt your career?
Fair warning there's no jobs for Marxian economists unless you have the charisma of thicc dick Wolff
It's almost all bullshit but if you're not going for STEM just take whatever you find easiest.
Varoufakis, who set out to do essentially what you describe, recommends against following in his footsteps. Listening to his experiences with being an anti-neoliberal economist might be of use:
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Why does the field of economis feel the need to borrow vocabulary from religion?
fuck
what am I supposed to study then?
Leftist with an econ undergrad here. Obviously econ is largely driven by neo-liberal ideology but you will still learn useful things about the function of things like supply and demand, interest rates, monetary and fiscal policy, trade, currency contols etc. If you go into an econ degrees as a leftist it will probably just make you even more sure of your beliefs because when you look at some of the mathematical models critically it becomes very apparent that they are based on totally arbitrary and unrealistic presumptions.
Personally I wish I studied philosophy or poli-sci because I am a better reader/writer than mathematician but if you like econ and are good at it its probably worth studying. Also idk what your job plans are but that is also something to take into consideration.
whatever you want, everything is saturated to shit.
Because they're the high priests of capitalism and they're pedophiles as well
Thanks. I'm sure that economics can still help so I can know how to atleast properly function under capitalism and compete in it, cause you can't escape it.
Humanitiest, engineering, science, technology
Actually, IT stuff is a good one.
Whatever you WANT to study is a good place to start though.
Chem student here. Passing exams is a lot easier than you might think. Don't pick physics if you want a life. That shit requires actual effort to pass. Pick biology if you don't like numbers. Pick IT if you want to become a code monkey. I don't know anything about other studies.
My man, in this day and age any career higher than burger flipper requires you to stare at a screen and input data of some kind.
What a world we live in.
I wanted to study biology like 2 years ago but you need chemistry, phyisics and biology in high school to do so. I dropped physics as soon as I could cause I hated it and dropped chemistry aswell once I found out I couldn't study biology anyways. I have kept biology though because I like it.
Look, maybe you can walk the hard walk and keep to your principles even while being inundated in porky ideology non-stop for four years (above and beyond the passive ideology around us all).
But consider this: You're in high school now and you're at a pretty crucial period in your life, at least intellectually. Your experiences and the shit you learn WILL influence your views. That doesn't have to be terrifying and I'm not saying that you'll sell out or any stupid shit like that. But there are tons of different subjects to pursue in college, and maybe the one that feeds off of porky's cum drippings isn't the best one.
Plus, if you're good at econ in high school I guarantee you'll find more shit you're good at in college.
Can you give examples?
(I'm generally suspicious because of a combination of half-reading "debunking economics" vis-a-vis supply and demand, and more scattershot references that amount to "on the whole, some currency and trade controls are good things.", whereas my understanding is that in particular mainstream economists get really angry if you suggest that trade-and-currency controls are anything other than demonic torture devices.)
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Study economics in your free time and pursue something else academically.
>Leftist with an econ undergrad here. Obviously econ is largely driven by neo-liberal ideology but you will still learn useful things about the function of things like supply and demand, interest rates, monetary and fiscal policy, trade, currency contols etc.
And what did you learn about these things and how do you know they are useful? Have you actually tested any hypothesis? Are you familiar with Sraffa's paper on supply and demand curves?
Economics is a pseudo science and economics schools are nothing but a turf of corrupion apologists.
Neoliberal econ will teach you about the market as a means of distribution, but not about capitalism as a method of ownership. It is the thesis.
Marcia economics will teach you about collective ownership but not about the distribution of goods and services. It is the antithesis.
The only way to proceed in the 21st century is to know both. Marksoc is the synthesis, user.
Fuck you phone, Marxian is a word.
I'm just saying when you read history or the news and they say something like the fed is raising interest rates, or the ECB's monetary policy, or the EU places limits on the type of fiscal policies member state can pursue, or China is aiming to devalue its currency to boost exports its pretty useful to know what they mean.
You might say you can learn those things on your own (and you're right) but most people don't. Its useful to understand basic economic jargon/function and you can learn that from and econ degree. Furthermore even of if neoliberal models are fucked some of the basic cause and effect patterns they talk about are undeniably accurate.
Neoliberal economics will teach you nothing about the market as a means of distribution
I'll spare you my initial belaboured metaphor comparing reality to United Airlines 232 (A flight with reduced controls, the comparison being that we've intentionally restricted government policy options to respond to economic problems.) and just give you divulgacionmarxista.files.wordpress.com
Neoliberals like to imagine the economy like a plane in normal, straight and level flight. The problem is that the actual economy is more like a plane that's been knocked out of trim and now bounces up and down (Pic related) and as each oscillation gets more violent and we get closer to the ground, the neoliberals strongly oppose pilot intervention (silly statists, don't you know gravity always wins in the end?) or make only the most barely useful suggestions (Krugman is asking if we've tried turning on the seatbelt sign.)
Too Low, Terrain. Too Low, Terrain…
Like… what? That's what I asked you.
Market socialism is the concession to the fact that there are no computers powerful enough to handle the calculations.
If all government institutions had banners on them that say "AUTOMATE THIS WHEN POWERFUL COMPUTERS ARE MADE", and if every bureaucrat or statebusinessman were constantly reminded that when automation of their task comes, the socially necessary labour time gets decreased for everyone and they can do something less stressful and not involving shuffling paper around in an office.
Study engineering, physics, mathematics, anything that would land you a job for which is still demand, like an engineer, programmer, data analyst, lab tech, researcher.
But keep in mind that even at university level, there is a difference between schooling and education. So yeah keep on reading that theory, but also remember to read about cybernetics, because it is very relevant to leftism. After Ross W. Ashby or Norbert Wiener explain cybernetics to you in a book, you will see.
well I'm getting mixed feelings so far
Well if you can do economics it means you are good at mathematics, right? So that's possibly an option (careers can maybe be iffy but I think despite the memes there are actually jobs as a mathematical analyst for many companies, maybe you have to be particularly academic, idk).
If you have the right mindset of problem solving, with a side of tinkering maybe engineering is a good idea, or CompSci if you are good at learning shit on your own.
I'm reccommending a lot of STEM here because that's what I know tbh.
Follow your heart OP, don't let your dreams stay dreams.
Chances are you won't get a Chicago Boy teaching you, and you won't be pumped full of neoliberal ideology.
Holla Forums is just being retarded, as usual.
A ""Keynesian"" can fill him with shit just as quickly as an open Chicago-Schooler.
By all means he should go for it, he just shouldn't believe anything he learns has any relation to the real world.
Keynes completely debunks pretty much all the right wingers, so don't know why you're so butthurt about him.
You sound like an angry fictional man on the street in The Telegraph.
I love Keynes.
I hate ""Keynesians"", the scare quotes are very important.
(Post-Keynesians and the like are rad, but for being rad they get locked in the cupboard with the Marxists.)
Good advice here. Think about your major in how it can help you get a career in the modern economy, your other interests can be taught in your free-time. Fields like statistics, computer science, and mathematics teach skills that could help your economics, all the while being more employable (outside of some shitty market speculation garbage.)
Econ is interesting, but you shouldn't study something (via spending a bunch of money for a degree) just to prove it wrong, or you're going to hate every day of class and work.
Isn't engineering oversaturated? I don't have physics anyway.
I'm also not good at maths, just economics.
Go into law. You'll make more than pretentious STEMfags, you don't have to pretend to like the system (put your hands in the air and say it wasn't me talk to Congress) and knowing a bit of economics will help you understand the intent of the legislature which in turn will help you understand it.
Also, you'll be in some nice company of people who went to law school (Marx, Lenin, Castro)
I mean if you go into economics you can say Luxemburg so hey you can LARP anyway
inb4 his father made him do it
Still consider computer science, you'll need it if you ever want to model some economic systems anyway. The labor market is increasing/wages are decreasing, but it's still more employable than most majors, and teaches skills applicable to a number of fields.
Now LAW, that's saturated.
Also
Keep in mind upper-level econ is just mathematical masturbation. Everyone wants to describe something as a beautiful mathematical function, regardless of whether the assumptions that allow them to do that are fundamentally flawed.
Alright, so computer science sounds interesting.
I've literally never done any programming before and I'm mediocre at maths, but who knows
If you are interested in evonomics, study business. They actually work in reality, rather than being an eleborate justification for capitalism and modern banking.
Programming is a lot like solving puzzles or putting some parts together to build your own machine, it's fun. Unless you become a code monkey writing repetitive code for some boring business projects, which happens to most people who do it as a job.