Is it a spook?
Is it 100% biology as some claim?
Is it a mix of both?
Why?
Appears to be a very fuzzy concept to me. It appears that most definitions relate to the roles an individual inhabits, but I as a man may have some feminine characteristics, but I'm still a man.
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A better question is, what is your favorite gender, and why is it bois?
It is impossible to change your sex and I implore you to not allow yourself to be butchered by a greedy plastic surgeon, you trannies argue against capitalism while being the biggest victims of it all.
Post more?
This thread is about gender, not sex.
Sure my dude
The sex/gender distinction is a recent English language concept. Masculinity and femininity are spectra, and you can be more or less manly (although conceptions of masculinity are cultural and do evolve).
Most traditions and cultural norms played some roles in competitions between cultures, be hesitant to scrap them entirely. Also, be leery of trap posters. A nontrivial number of them are fetishists who get off on convincing teenage weeaboos to transition if they don't want to spend the rest of their lives alone. There's a predatory side to all of it, so please take care. It isn't easy mode to be a tranny. You may not pass, and even if you do your free attention will dry up as you grow old and childless.
Oh look, it's this thread again.
Ayy this thread's back
Why do you people want women to men and men to act like women? Whats wrong with men acting like men and women acting like women?
Gender is a social construct. Same thing as race.
People should just behave how they want you fucking pole vaulter.
Men who act like men are violent brutes and women who act like women are useless sluts. We must all act the opposite gender in order to overcome our baser nature.
Gender is a spook. It is a fixed concept that describes nothing material and frightens people into acting against their own material interests.
Talk about a contradiction in terms.
Don't stop
Gender is 100% a spook
If someone wants exploit workers should we allow them to do so? No.If someone wants to take meth all day should we allow it? No. Its for the best of their interest and/or the community to stop destructive behavior.
A good man is more hard working, rational, and simply stronger than most women can ever be.
They should aim to act like this.
Women can give birth and are better with children and other task often related to non heavy physical labor. They should aim to act like this.
Not really, in fact everybody should do as they wish, if you want to be a pure alpha, then go for it. I don't even see the appeal of looking like a grill, so the appeal of being a trap remains a mystery to me
I'm just waiting till someone posts an image of a trap. Don't mind me
what the fuck is gender anymore, but a fashion statement? Western society has killed gender.
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Sex is a social construct as is species.
And nothing of value was lost.
100% spook
genitals, reproductive systems, and the physical consequences of having one are real. the categories humans assign to them are pure ideology
I'm going to … save this thread for later use.
Post dick.
ABSOLUTE qt
source?
the fifth one from the left.
Man fuck your rules, let people do whatever they want. If a man wants to wear a fucking dress and bake cookies, fucking let him. If a woman wants to work out and be a carpenter, fucking let her.
Gulag yourself faggot.
It's identity like any other.
We could focus on idealism and heroism instead of muh masculinity feminity, and be better and more productive this way.
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That's right. We are not like you with your 'morality is subjective', wherever someone's helping refugees or attack refugee centers is all the same right? We say clearly that according to our idealism right wingers are subhumans.
And it's kinda weird to be called Holla Forumsdiot when I just said gender is a spook.
You do not make people happy telling them to determine their own criteria for happiness and success. Roles like motherhood and fatherhood, with associated cultural norms and understandings, are crucial to human well-being, because they give people a function and allow them to do a good job in life. You need communal understandings of a decent life (the same way there are communal understandings for being a decent painter) if you want to escape from nihilism or meaningfully belong anywhere. Otherwise you're in a society of hedonistic manipulators who care for you as far as you're useful.
Fuck it I forgot flag.
Sex = biological composition of hormones, chromosomes and genitals
Gender = Societies' perception of the roles and behaviors of people with certain compositions of the above things. This has changed during history and in different societies. It is a spook because it only has power over our actions because we give them power in our minds,
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am I missing something?
its a scary world out there
They are boys (female).
hence, trannies are just faking it because its trendy
wot?
sorry I'm new to this
Gender is a social construct in a way that race is not.
You can choose your gender, your race is assigned to you and is not considered subjectively negotiable. Race has some basis in biology (geographically distant people genetically diverge, and you can test for African or East Asian heritage) while gender is defined as a social construct that scales independently of biological sex. It was discovered that race is socially constructed (this does not make geographic heritage unrelated to important traits like aggressiveness or pattern recognition, it just means there's no scientific point at which somebody is classified as black or white), while gender was specifically invented to mean the socially constructed dimension of gender theory.
Is it a mix of both.
Anyone who is saying that it's 100% cultural or biological is empirically wrong. Science has taught us that behavior is a complex outcome of both biological and cultural influences. Characteristics determined by culture or biology are neither universal nor immutable and treating them as such is a dangerous thing to do.
This evidence alone proves that gender dysphoria is a real thing because sex does have a influence on ones gender. Saying gender is 100% cultural is actually harmful because it shares the same bad logic from conservatives saying that its all "learned" despite the scientific evidence proving otherwise.
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It is a mix of both.
Never said anything about "making" someone a man or a woman, but about a man or a woman doing whatever they want.
Also shitty analogy is shitty.
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leftist logic: Catman is actually a real cat. You should always talk about Catman using the pronouns cat/cat/Catself. If you think this is silly then you are a white bigot an literally hitler as well.
Then non-BO one, it's easily noticeable after the fact that you're so retarded you eat up anything other Holla Forumslacks shit out without asking for proofs.
I'm not saying that people should not be trans and should instead abide by traditional gender norms, but that trans people should try to build or join communities in which they can live well and be good people.
Youre not wrong and I agree but youre misunderstanding what we mean by "cultural". There are certain signifiers, mainly your reproductive organs, for whether youre probably male or female within the given system of gender. The point here is that the concept of gender, even though it's based on the reality of different reproductive capacities, is still a fiction. In the way that the cultural superstructure of society is produced by the material reality of capitalism, the cultural superstructure of gender is produced by the material reality of sexual organs and differentiation between them – the conflict here comes in the alienation that occurs when someones identity within the superstructure conflicts with their material reality, i.e. they possess certain signifiers that society demands make them one way when the reality of their brain structure, sexual desires, etc., demands something else.
Kind of like the alienation that occurs when you're told you deserve to live in misery because your poor despite a human need for social and emotional flourishing.
This is also in reply to , I'm not necessarily talking at the guy I originally responded to.
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Gender = sex. The idea that the two are distinct was invented by Money.
Morality is not subjective. For morality does not exist.
I was more thinking of gender theorist who say gender is 100% a social construct and dismiss all the evidence that biology has a large influence as well.
At the end of the day we can all agree Gender is Good and we should definitely have more of it
What is the difference between this and being a tomboy?
Gender is 100% spook. Anyone who says otherwise is spooked by semantics.
If gender is a spook then the transgenders are just spooked and should just get over themselves
Basically some characteristics of gender is socially constructed, but not all. The multiplicity of sexual preferences does not make the biological sexes disappear, nor does it increase them in number. Sexual orientations don't make the influences of someones biological sex has on their gender go completely away.
Gender roles or gender expression are social constructs based on gender. Gender is personality traits determined by a combination of genetics, epigenetics, and environment. It's like sex, which includes chromosomes, genitals, and secondary sex characteristics but it's specific to the brain.
Because for over a thousand years general knowledge of these topics has been based on a lot of assumptions and incorrect information including blatantly revisionist religious beliefs, modern languages often don't have words that represent these concepts well.
Better explained than I have, good shit.
You literally blew my drunk ass mind right now. Thanks.
Gender is very much a spook and it's the worst kind. It definitely creates roles to specifically make us most useful to porky.
bois pretty much just means tomboys. women with short hair, masculine faces, flat chests, or who wear baggy clothing.
so social constructs are based on gender which then produce gender roles and expressions?
Traditional gender roles must be destroyed to achieve true communism, that's the way forward to progress, user. Renounce trad. gender roles, and swear that you'll never speak of the TQ again, and we promise you a spot in our Utopia.
But "gender" merely describes the way we interact with our biological sexes on a social level. It's essentially cultural.
The thing is, what if you don't share the culture of the people that want to 'choose their own gender'?
How difficult is it to 'choose' your own gender and act it out under bourgeois culture? I would think you'd just be mirroring capital like the rest of us have to do. Is it possible to do it authentically?
le leftist logic xd
No it's not. Gender is something given at birth. Which does not mean we should treat people differently just because of their gender. "From each according to their ability, to each according to their needs". Sounds familiar?
Maybe one day we will be able to make people with gender dysphoria comfortable in their own bodies, or maybe we'll perfect the sex change operation and make them indistinguishable from a "natural" male or female (down to the point of being able to have kids and producing sperm/eggs)
But we are not there yet.
I wonder if there's even one actual anfem on this whole board, or if literally every single one of them is a Holla Forumsyp
How does any of that refute and ?
I think it's one butthurt faggot since the crash.
Anarcha-feminism is not a real thing. It's a shitposting flag.
They're biologically female. That's what makes them bois and not boys.
Come on, it's first grade stuff SpongeBob
Post more fam.
Sex is biology, and depends uniquely on sex chromosomes. Gender is a social construct loosely associated to sex. Gender is the perception or representation of the thing, sex is the thing itself.
Humans do have sexual dimorphism and develop differently based on sex, but this is not a dichotomous binary thing. To reduce sexual expression to "XX or XY" misses key aspects. It completely neglects differences in the gene varieties carried by these chromosomes, gene expression regulation (the extent to which a gene produces its specific protein and under what conditions,) and epigenetics (envionmental influences on this matter.) Beyond that, endocrinology is a complex thing involving multiple interdependent pathways.
So it's clear that, while "sex is biology," biology does not reduce to sex, and there is vastly more to consider than X vs Y in understanding expression of sexual traits, if your goal is to take "science" and the natural world as models for society, as the Holla Forumsacks claim to.
Strong post
It's interesting to note that evolutionary biology is basically dialectical materialism in action.
Darwin observed that the heritable factors of a population changed in successive generations, depending on context- and environment-dependent selective pressures. This is the "dialectical" component. He didn't observe a material basis to heritability, and in fact the first suggestion (and proof) that DNA contained this material basis came significantly later.
en.wikipedia.org
Genes provide the "materialism" component, and the recognition that all biochemistry traces to proteins produced by specific gene sequences brought our understanding of so much of the world into the modern era.
things that make people happy: good
systems that allow for individual autonomy: good
prioritizing social roles over individuality just doesnt jive that well with the above
I come to this board for the porn and occasionally decent posts, and I'm glad I wasn't disappointed.