Retarded newfag and his conclusion

Extreme newfag here. Never had a political ideology, so I started reading things to get one. I'm still apolitical till I can make the right choice. From Plato and Aristotle, to Marx and Engels and Lenin, but also to Carl Schmidt, Julius Evola, Giovanni Gentile and all the fascist thinkers, and also capitalist ones like Austrians and even fiction-capitalist ones like Rand, after something like 3 years of reading these things and talking to local communists organizing for elections and local innawoods nazis organizing for their ethnostate, I came to some conclusion. Almost certainly wrong but hey, that's what I can ask questions.

Communism and elitism: Mao started his adventures with 60 thousand people, and ended it with 9. Lenin also argued that small hardcore elite needs to be in charge, and he did take Red Square with like 1000 hardcore people. Same goes for Latin America, blood drenched revolutionaries got shit done.
Simply put: casuals and hardcores arent equal. And never will be as long as physical resources here on Earth are limited. In order to make science fiction utopia 'according to need' society, if you have one rifle and two soldiers, hardcore one needs to get the rifle for victory, casual one needs to march first across the minefield, or be used to charge first into a fortified position to evaluate enemy defenses or be used for testing enemy artillery, etc.

Limited resources (aka operational constant before communism) implies hierarchies. There is simply not enough shit to go around, and the best people need to call the shots and use the best tools. And now check this: the more serious you are about this, the more effort it is needed. The more and more you try to build a post scarcity society, the more and more fascistic, structured, disciplined, trained, conditioned, hierarchical you have to be. At the end you are putting in so much effort, you might as well be a capitalist. You'd end up better off anyway.

Winning requires effort. Effort requires fascism. Red Army had to use ranks for command and control. You can not have an army without ranks. It is the same with (pre-communism) society. Not every worker is equally competent. Not to work, not to call the shots, not to use the limited amount of tools.
Priorities have to be made. Leadership must discriminate where to put resource, literally investing efforts into some, and not into others, to profit toward post scarcity society.
All authority comes out of force and violence, so enforcing its authority again requires the fittest and strongest, most capable ones.

As you go deeper, borders between all ideologies disappear. They all come down to pure force and nothing else. Just force. Force is all that matters. Kingdom, theocracy, democracy, oligarchy, fascism, communism…. as long as it is enforced, it is all the same. Because resources are limited.

Only viable communism is 'space communism'. And only viable way of reaching is, is trough brutal total absolute tyrannical dictator of force. Who would also be benevolent to give it all up, all the planets and sci-fi power, to make communism.

And finally, I conclude that no human bean today, is noble enough, and mighty enough, to do it. One must accumulate force by all means and use it to reward himself, his close ones, and punish his enemies, that's literally all there is. Maybe make a small donation at the end of life, like curing a disease, for everyone. But leave the whole wealth to his children, to continue accumulation for their children, so they can compete better, because resources are limited, woe to the conquered, and to the victor go all the spoils, and that's just how reality is.

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So tl;dr might is right, there's not enough things for everyone, the only virtue and the only sure way to exist is to become the strongest you can.

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You're right. You are a newfag.

Read Zizek.

read Stirner and then come back.

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I always wonder if the people that make these sorts of threads are actually retarded or just post a bunch of bullshit so that autistic nerds will educate them.

No, he argued that the revolutionary party should be lead by the most active, educated and radical elements of society, but he didn't think they should become an insular clique locked off from normal citizens, rather that it is the job of the vanguard party to educate and radicalize the populace, the goal of the vanguard party is for everyone to belong to the vanguard party.

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There is. The problem is that capitalism does a piss poor job at allocating resources. A disgusting amount of what is produced just winds up in the trash.

You clearly don't understand what fascism is. Fascism isn't spooky authoritarianism, it's radical nationalism.

Which is why the goal is to create a movement of the masses, so that it doesn't come down to one guy calling the shots.

Wow all the blathering just to get to one od the most inane conclusions in philosophy ever. Read Machiavelli, then Rosseau then Stirner.

OP's post had a sort of feeling but I couldn't quite put my finger on it. Thanks user.

Yeah buddy, you aren't new, you're a troll.
We've been around this for a long time, it's really a common tactic.
Also; TL;DR
TB;DB

Not anymore.
you tried so hard to go beyond good and evil and yet you succumbed to "muh virtue"
lel

judging from all the authors OP "read" and his retarded conclusion you're probably right

Gee, the military is fascistic, almost like fascism as an ideology is the result of soldiers (and their fanbois) autistically attempting to apply what worked in wartime to peacetime?

Yes it is true that Roman legionaries were the ones to give it a name and a symbol, but that doesnt mean it doesnt work.
These regimes arent known for civil disorders or economic disasters. Nuclear family is also fascistic: father who earns more money than wife and kids and who also can lift more than wife and kids, calls all the shots..
I dont see any other way. As long as resources arent infinite, the system must reflect this fact, and fascism reflects it the best.

Then why have liberal democracies crushed countless theocracies and monarchies under their bootheels unopposed around the globe from the dawn of the enlightenment? Why are all the greatest military-economic powers of today democratic socialist republics?

Autocratic societies don't have the dynamism needed to advance, win, reinvent themselves, and persist.

But dont leftists cry all the time how effective imperialism is, and how successful it made these liberal socialistic democracies?

If by successful you mean quality of life, then I'd say we live such lives because of private corporations and their private mercenaries raiding a mine somewhere in Africa as I write this, taking their stuff to put it in the cellphone for me to buy it later on.
Sure, our governments stopped being autocratic, but they also stopped being relevant. They dont pass laws. We dont vote our laws, they are decided in smoke filled rooms somewhere in the back of the building.
We vote for parties, parties elect legislators, legislators make laws… but we (as a mass) do not finance and make private donations to these parties. They will say things for votes, but they do things for money. Private money. And this money comes from todays fascists, who raid mines in Africa and man fences around oilfields in ME and destabilize regions and kill Iranian nuclear scientists..

just kill yourself dumbass

Holy shit. Is this what weaponized autism looks like?

kek, insults do nothing to reaffirm my worldview
insults arent arguments

Today's era of offshoring has, in spite of making consumer products cheaper, hurt consumer income so badly as to more than offset it. During the highest era of advancing quality of life for the 1st-world (1940s-1970s), international trade as a proportion of GDP was far lower than before (the "Gilded Age" of colonialism) or after.

The 1940s-1970s era was also that in which corporations were at their weakest economically and politically, while consumers were at their strongest via robust labor unions.

I would describe the current post-1970s neolib/neocon transnational era as a backslide toward the pre-1940s age of unfettered capitalist robber barons and imperialism that once paupered 1st-world consumers.

I dont know much about these labor unions in your country, but in mine they too are pretty fascistic. Over here, labor unions tend to be very similar to corporations with very strict hierarchical order and basically every worker's paycheck is re-negotiated with all kinds of union and corporate overlords.

Again, the pond is too small for all the crocodiles. Unions or corporations, they all ask the same questions: criminal history, working history, education, what did you publish, which projects did you work before, basically they all evaluate how competent you are.

Say what you want about 'the system' and its fascistic values, but it can work extremely well. Not everywhere, but in certain industries your wealth is directly and linearly proportional to your personal merit. And nobody gives a shit for excuses. Because excuses do not work. Equality does not work.

thenation.com/article/worker-cooperatives-are-more-productive-than-normal-companies/

"Effective" at what, you stupid asshole

Holy lel, I am from Yugoslavia, and while I was a 10 year old kid and didnt work, my whole family and a lot of the people I know did.
And let me tell you, Yugos had bosses, in fact we have tons of jokes about life being exactly the same under king and Tito.
I even think we 'invented' the "you pretend you worked, they pretend they paid you" and "in capitalism man exploits man, in communism it is exactly the opposite" jokes.

I simply believe that there are certain.. principles that are above political and economic theories. Food for example. Doesnt matter who is in charge, x or y, humans have to eat. Resources for example. If we have one bread and thousand of us, what political or economic theory we apply to distribute the bread is almost irrelevant.

Things will be easy, and communism will be the best once we start mining asteroids. But before that happens, I think these 'fascistic principles' are the most effective ways of living in a society limited by various scarcities.

A spook by any other name isn't any less bullshit.

How non-trivial, productive, relevant, and important thing to realize. This Stirner guy that called society a spook was a real.. inventor, builder, manufacturer, problem solver, worker, soldier, and just a general overall doer, wasnt he? I think that without spook awareness, none of us would be where we are now today, no man would ever go into space or land on the Moon without knowing all about spooky spooks, would they?

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Yeah sure but I still fail to understand how do leftist ideologies deal with personal responsibilities. Fascist regimes/ideologies tell you something along the lines of 'life isnt always fair and your best bet is improving yourself by yourself'.
Left wing ideologies tend to give you excuses and tell you who to hate, but hate and excuses arent primary generators or producers of anything.

These serious right wingers or people adhering to fascist doctrines do not encourage drug use, personal irresponsibility, they do not promise sunshines and rainbows, and you also never see them making impotent protests and threats.

read stirner you witless dipshit

Personal responsibility tends to work better when it gets results.

Fascism is extremely dishonest because it simultaneously admonishes that everything is in your hands, all while exhorting you to ignore everything that those in control do. This encourages those in control to stomp on anyone capable of displacing them, and discourages those people from fulfilling such potential, ultimately worsening civilization.

Leftism promotes the idea that humanity as a whole is responsible for the state of things, punishing those who exploit their fellows, while using society's collective might to offer help to those unable to help themselves.

This lines up with human nature surprisingly well, because once basic needs of life are fulfilled, and especially for creative mental labor, material incentive is basically irrelevant. Vid related.

Nope, you are thinking about Holla Forums

Liberal things. We too despise liberals