Why is all religion despised by the left despite Jesus being a shining example of an ideal socialist?

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Spoke too soon.

Ok, what hack essay or "analysis" did you read that mischarcterized Christ to give you the impression he was not a socialist? You certainly could not have drawn that conclusion by reading the Gospel.

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It's like this: in a staunchly materialist ideology, any religion is, at best, a sad consequence of misery and oppression, and at worst, it actively participates in generating them. Ergo as long as there's religion, there's misery and oppression around, thus still work to be done.

"Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's"
Fuck off.

God can say whatever you want him to say. He is like Lenin. Everyone claims not to be a revisionist.

because every religious group throughout history has been evil, oppressive and dangerous. For all the "teachings of peace" of their prophets, religion has been responsible for wars and genocide over the centuries.

Deep down, these people don't believe in their texts. It's just a club so they can pretend to be superior and look down their noses at everyone else.

"Christianity is the greatest hypocrisy on record. Neither Christian nations nor individuals practice the precepts of Jesus. The early Christians did — and they were crucified, burned at the stake, or thrown to the wild animals in the Roman arena. Later the Christian Church compromised with those in power; she gained money and influence by taking the side of the tyrants against the people. She sanctioned everything which Christ condemned, and by that she won the good will and support of kings and masters. To-day king, master, and priest are one trinity. They crucify Jesus daily; they glorify him with lip service and betray him for silver pieces; they praise his name and kill his spirit." - Alexander Berkman

Jesus was good but power corrupts organised religion

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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberation_theology

Because liberation theology was seen as an actual threat by right-wing death squads and therefore ruthlessly culled, leaving only the fedora socialists remaining.

example: Holla Forums literally thinks the current Pope is some reptilian jew plant

Religious institution used to be much more embedded in propping up the capitalist power structure (and still is in many places for example the KSA). The actions of against the Church in Spain and Russia while perhaps a bit excessive but broadly justifiable on these grounds.

In the West there is no reason to have such an extreme anti-christian mindset anymore. There are certain toxic pro-capitalist trends in evangelicalism which must be resisted but we should mainly be aiming to move Chistianity and other Religions in an anti-capitalist direction rather then just trying to eradicate them.

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Jesus Christ I need to start proof reading my posts.

Religious institutions used to be much more embedded in propping up the capitalist power structures (and still are in many places for example the KSA). The actions against the Church in Spain and Russia while perhaps a bit excessive were broadly justifiable on these grounds.

In the West there is no reason to have such an extreme anti-religious mindset anymore. There are certain toxic pro-capitalist trends in evangelicalism which must be resisted, but we should mainly be aiming to move Christianity and other Religions in an anti-capitalist direction rather then just trying to eradicate them.

Kaj mi trovis, ke la mortintoj, kiuj jam antaŭ longe mortis, estas pli feliĉaj ol la vivantoj, kiuj vivas ĝis nun; kaj pli feliĉa ol ili ambaŭ estas tiu, kiu ĝis nun ne ekzistis, kiu ne vidis la malbonajn farojn, kiuj estas farataj sub la suno.

Because Jesus was a Cis het white male who needs to check his muh privilege.

You don't see the irony in holding this view?

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Wow how fucking stupid are you? That was in reference to Caesar's coins. The coins are no more yours than the monopoly money that the IMF and GS manipulate today. Jesus preached the abolition of money entirely.

You need to get a grip. I've seen you shitposting around here before but I'm gonna have to bite the bullet and filter you, mongoloid dog. Read the Bible.

This most of these claims about Jesus being a socialist are just from people who don't want to let go of their sky daddy, there is a reason Stalin sent these people to the gulag

How will you eat without money, faggot? Loaves and fish from Jesus's butthole?

Read a book, please. Roman society exploited workers and manipulated money 2000 years ago, their methods were just less refined.

Can you eat money? You are a fucking moron, lmao. Please, learn to read, then start reading.

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Yep, the shitposter here is me.

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Yes, you've made that clear already, thank you.

The Romans didn't have capitalism, you dunce.

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Bartering isnt necessarily capitalism. But it is when you use currency obviously.

Money is simply an easy way to exchange work/goods, it has nearly nothing to do with the economic system. Romans had money, like any other civilization, but they were not Capitalists. Nor were they Communists, there are other economic systems out there you know.

Stop this shit. Lurkers who aren't familiar with leftist theory will take you seriously. And barter is a meme. Read Debt: The First 5,000 Years.

*organized and/or reactionary religion

Exactly.

The glorious soviet union isnt so glorious when you realize you get paid in potatoes.

sounds like capitalism to me

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When did he do this?

Because you think economy = capitalism. The Roman economy had elements similar to capitalism but it was organized around land owners and slaves as opposed to private property, capital accumulation, and commodity fetishism. The Bible is fine with slavery by the way.

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Im glad this was brought up. I think we need to ally ourselves with the teachings of Jesus. But only in a philosophical way.

Jesus, if he actually existed, was what could objectively called a "good person" (in b4 spook). I'm absolutely an atheist. I love the Zizek reading of Christianity, specifically the moment Christ dies on the cross. The removal of metaphysical implications from Christianity itself.

Jesus's words of wisdom remain.

Because Jesus was a Buddhist you fucking faggot. All the Jesus freaks were lied to an manipulated by the Christian churches.

I recall the Catholic Church (from when I was a kid) teaching that Jesus saying God forsook him was about Jesus being imperfect because while wholly God he's also wholly human, and nobody could withstand the torture of crucifixion. They used it as "man's inhumanity to God" moralizing in the same sort of manipulation where they say shit like "every time you masturbate an angel cries."

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Fuck, that's some pure ass shit right there. Masochist ideology. Could also be a liberating one through the guilt catharsis that comes with catholic confession. I was baptized catholic, that shits too spooky for me to want to talk about. It's like on its own playing field desperate from "Christianity" as a general term.

"Render unto God what is Gods and unto Caesar what is Caesars"

God is good, so render unto him good. Caeser is a tyrant. Rendering "his" (tyranny) unto him means give Caeser the guillotine.

Tio estas tre trista. Nur per morto kaj neekzisto oni povus esti pli feliĉa ol nun.

Leftism is a bastard offspring of Christianity, especially Protestantism. You can see that in people like Thomas Müntzer, the Anabaptists, the Radical Reformation, the Levellers and the Diggers, etc.

Dude "You're killing your Father (God), Larry!" is like the dominant narrative of Catholicism that I grew up with. They priest loved the line "Whatever you do to your neighbor you do to me." - Jesus

That's pretty clearly not what was originally meant. If you have to do an oppositional reading of somebody to make them sound like a socialist that's not supporting evidence that they're a good socialist.

come on, son

Because jesus wasn't real but the class oppression perpetrated by the various churches based off of his cult was very real.

You do know that there's a difference between the historical Jesus and the mythical Jesus, right?

he wasn't real.

You are in good company with the liberals who compare geopolitics to Harry Potter.

You know that neither really matters in the least bit right?

Nowhere did I indicate that I was a Christian, nor that I was a Christcom. But whatever, man. I just wanted to point out that it seems like the main motivator for refusing to believe he existed is to avoid "ceding" any ground to Christianity. However, acknowledging Jesus' historicity doesn't cede ground at all. For instance, Jews regard Jesus as real, but consider his resurrection an urban legend. Simply acknowledging that Jesus was a real person has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not you think he was the Son of God, or whether or not God exists.

Of course.

Leftists cannot understand Jesus Christ because you try to filter everything through the framework of leftism. The point of Jesus is to filter everything through the framework of Jesus.

I wasn't arguing against you per se but against the logic of Christcoms that follows from what you said. The rest is bantz.

The point of that criticism is not to deny that there was some bloke named Jesus who said things approximated in the Bible, but that the Biblical account of Jesus is not reflective of reality.

When people make "moderate" arguments like yours they open the floor to the nutter opinions the same way that CNN's "neutrality" gives equal time to climate change deniers and scientists (or more commonly Bill Nye). The effect on the unfamiliar viewer is to make it seem as if the two positions are comparably reasonable.

The best thing about religion and their holy scriptures (and watch out, this is important if you want to establish your own religion; you should do the same!),
they are so vague, and you can interpret the writings in so many way, Jesus is all, a communist, an anarchist, a socialist, a liberal, a conservative, a reactionary, a fascist, everything and nothing at the same time.

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He didn't kick the money changers out of the temple becaue he hated business. He did it because they were accepting pagan coinage in the temple.

Because Jesus as a materialist "nice guy" who makes no demands of his followers is ridiculous horseshit made-up by Liberals to appeal to "spiritual" Liberals so they join what amounts to spiritual self-help groups rather than Christian ones that are far more likely to oppose materialist cornerstones like usury.

not sure why this matters

i'm not seeing it

Because it's fucking idpol.

how? j/w what ur reasoning is.

because it's no matter how good Jesus is, it is a spook.