When people say, "communism has never worked...

when people say, "communism has never worked," i've seen Holla Forums respond that capitalism was tried for years and failed before it succeeded. can anyone give me examples of capitalism failing during the transition from feudalism?

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Africa.

The Civil War? Imperialism?

Ahh, y'know. Pretty much the entire Gilded Age?

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Russia.


The radical thing about communism/socialism/anarchism is it's about people that don't have power, getting power. Not people that started having power enforcing it.

Every shithole in the world today that isn't 'communist'?

Capitalism does not work if you do not have the following -


Those willing to privatize on industry

and

Those same people having capital of some sort.


If you don't have those two basics, capitalism cannot work.

The entire history of the rise of the Bourgeoise is marked by bloody clashes and wars against the Aristocracy in order to break free from the predominant orders of feudalism and mercantilism. The American and French Revolutions are perfect examples of this, but I also highly recommend googling the English Civil War, the Revolutions of 1848, and the Napoleonic Wars, all of which wiped the vestiges of Feudalism and monarchism from the face of the earth and established out current Liberal Capitalist world order.

Capitalism only succeeds when it perpetuates itself, it can only fail when crisis disrupts the accumulation of capital. You (laughably) associate the success of capital with human well-being, a slave-like concession to bourgeois ideology.


Classcucks.

Also, I should note that without the Colonization of the Americas and the use of slave labor from Africa, the Bourgeoise would have never been able to develop in the first place, it was only through the vast wealth they earned in these enterprises that they were able to challenge the old guard of the Aristocracy. Now I know Holla Forums loves it's racism, but Colonization and Slavery were nothing if not violent and bloody.

Why?

What the fuck are you talking about?

Trading federations and free city states like the German Hansa fighting and going to war with monarchies and challenging the feudal order.

OP got soft-BTFO, so now he's in full reverse.

Nothing to see here. Sage and move on.

I made myself very clear. The OP associates the success of capitalism with the success of human beings, in spite of the fact that the logic of capital accumulation is in direction contradiction to human needs. This line of reasoning is plainly a product of procapitalist propaganda.

op here, that wasn't me

stay autistic

Oh, the things I've learn about Capitalism from the Patrician games.

OP is a faggot. Got it.
That doesn't mean everyone responding is a faggot, but ok.

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I don't think the situations are comparable in that capitalism went through initial problems in establishing itself as the natural result of the crises that allowed for it to foster, while communist regimes of the past where of ideological nature and an attempt to impose an ideology on society, instead of the natural result of the material conditions in place in the present.

OP is asking for examples of historical failed capitalist revolutions like

I can't really think of any to be honest.

You definitely gave off the impression you were responding to everyone else, not OP, I was confused as fuck. Now your comment makes perfect sense though.

Really makes you think.

I think I guess I know where he went… And these anarkids are almost tankies when it comes to their ideology.

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Poor An-Cap Guy

All capitalism needs to "not fail" is for Capital to circulate, which can easily go on indefinitely even when half of the population is unemployed, starving, and homeless, in this sense Capital can't "fail", it can only create living situations so abysmal most people would consider it a crime against humanity. Socialism, particularly market socialism, or "state capitalism" can fail rather easily as a no-growth economy and a welfare state can easily regress back into capitalism under immense economic strain, although that isn't what happened in the Soviet Union.

This has to be satire, my god.

Is there really much of a difference? Greeks are pretty batshit crazy in general.

nice meme

Well, at least with the construction workers' union, KKE members, you know they are crazy and are gonna smash whoever is not them…

Anarkids are supposed to be about.. … … discussion… and … not have party lines…

Unless they have.

and this is why I never became an anarchist. At least now I can say "am a Leninist" and be honest about what my ideology is all about.

Tankie isn't just a synonym for "militant" or "zealot", it specifically refers to anyone who thinks of Stalin or the Soviet Union in an uncritical manner, just being a violent shithead doesn't make you a tankie.

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Until the energy crisis South Korea was a shit hole military dictatorship whereas North Korea at least put some basic effort into the well-being of it's citizens.

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Tankies suck. That kind of "communism" is trash to live under because classes still exist they're just militarized & have new names..

Humans don't have needs beyond what society tells them what needs they have.

There. Is .No Human. Nature.

something never change

The Articles of Confederation. US was a shithole in 1783 (Treaty of Paris ended the war) and the Confederation government was incapable of stopping it. No tax powers, no unified currency, crippling debt, the Continental Dollar was a hyperinflated piece of garbage that people were using as kindling for fires.

The US Constitution was written in 1787, ratified in 1788, and finally created a bourgeois government capable of stabilizing the system. Even still it took a few decades to do it, and the US was a shithole with a tenuous grasp on sovereignty until some time after the War of 1812.

Also there is nothing wrong with kicking out nazis and drug dealers without the help of the police.