Is it just me or are idpollers the greatest threat to socialism right now? Personally I'm not worried about the fash...

Is it just me or are idpollers the greatest threat to socialism right now? Personally I'm not worried about the fash. I'm confident that we'd beat them if push came to shove.

I'm more worried about the hard LGBT liberals. These people are the most rabid anti-communists you'll ever meet. The very threat of them not being the center of attention scares the shit out of them and its really strange tbh. They think anyone to the left of them is a threat to their existence or something,…. which has never made sense to me, since I basically consider myself feminist, pro-LGBT, anti-racist, etc…


What do?

Have you been living under a rock these past 4 decades?

I've found that listening face to face to there problems gets people to open up
And then explain to them what you're point of view is
Oh you think socialism is anti gay because of Stalin? I can see how you'd think that but socialism has a long history of supporting LGBT rights, Rustin, Harry Hay ,Lenin , etc

Huwhite nationalists/fash are under idpol

ACTUALLY they are becoming less and less of a threat and the right wing opinions tube is running more and more out of scapegoats to blame.

Thus, the fash will eventully have to, and will, come after us.

No i haven't but thanks for being so edgy in ur reply i REALLY APPRECIATE IT

Wow, you mean have a dialogue with people and not just dismiss them as caricatures in your meme folder?

Personally I see them as "separate" due to the fact that they endorse an entire paramilitary wing. Your standard idpoler doesn't do this since they are infiltrated and brainwashed as fuck to preserve the status quo.

Good point. I guess around where I live I never see Nazis or actual fascists. I think they're few and far in between. This isn't to say they aren't a threat or couldn't be, but I feel like on a day to day basis I run into far more anti-communist liberals than anyone else. It's super fucking annoying after a while, to hear people jerk themselves off to how "progressive" they are, but in the same breath celebrate the murder of commies and stuff. It's totally fucked.

Miami?

Yes
Hard to do online though where most people are just looking for a meme argument half the time though tbqhywmc

No, not even close.

I'm in a liberal area, but my "faith" in some people ever pulling their heads out of their asses continues to dwindle.

People regularly associate Putin with communism, and act like communism is the reason people starve and capitalism is the reason our living standards are worth a fuck. Its realllllly hard to ignore this shit after a while.

Its getting to a point where I avoid politics even with "progressives" because some of them are aware of socialism's increasing popularity and its threat to liberalism. They sense this and immediately double down on new era McCarthyism to preserve the ruling ideology whenever they can.

like half of this board is faggots, anyways, so it's reasonable to assume at least some are pretty cool

This is nice, but this is decidedly liberal bait imo.

You don't debate people who refuse rational arguments. When I tell someone, or outright prove to them that we're on an unsustainable path, but they continue criticizing me for using the internet, owning a laptop, or using any so called "products" of capitalism, then I know I'm not dealing with a rational person, just someone that wants to jack themselves off to Steve Jobs while using the language of socialism and/or progressive politics

Dude I am str8 but my roommate is gay. I'm not anti-gay, as I've said plenty of times to anyone in doubt before… it pains me how often people accuse you of this when trying to start a simple conversation….

This is why idpol is so toxic. Its not even about making actual gains as a group, its just about being the center of attention and having maximum lip-service paid to you. We can develop a political program which serves all oppressed groups better then liberals but we will never be able to match their fawning tone and rhetoric because their is a whole other section of the population it alienates.

Yeah i have noticed this and thats why I started the thread. It's the "attention" I have noticed that is the problem, not politics.

They treat liberalism like a torture chamber, it has nothing to do with liberation. They're perfectly happy supporting bourgeois candidates as long as they are pandered to accordingly. All the third world struggles and the very concept of solidarity means shit to them in all my observations.

The greatest threat to socialism is that the world moved on passed the need for it, all centralization and heirarchical states are fucking obsolete lmfao

Stirner was basically an anarcho-syndicalist and therefore a socialist. Egoism is anti-capitalist because capital commands man to be an input in production. The whole point of anarcho-syndicalism is that people self-organize into units of collective bargaining so as to create a society maximizing personal freedom. It fits nicely with egoism, even if I'm not an egoist in the original idealist sense.

is this a problem

Identitarians are annoying but confronting them directly usually backfires. The proper way to beat them is to make them irrelevant by starting our own left-wing, non-SJW groups, movements and subcultures, and preaching to the hundreds of millions of workers that their college-y rhetoric will never win over.

If you mean your pic, yeah chastising people who genuinely seek knowledge is repugnant.

The reddit socialist subs actually do damage. They are like a right wing strawman of leftists.