/LeftyPrep/

Next up is a cheap shotgun. Get it in 12ga, the other sizes are mostly worthless. There are two schools of thought here, but both are stupid cheap.

The first is that you need one with extreme reliability. For that you'll want a double barrel double trigger break action. They work every time, but you only get two shots, and they're all pretty much the same as one another.

The second is that pump action is reliable enough, which is what I believe, so that's what I'm going to talk about. I recommend either the Remington 870 (preferably pre-2007 because build quality was higher) or the Mossberg 500. Either will work.

Either one can be had for about $300 - $400 used.

Again, don't try to go all tacticool. If you get a pistol grip only one, you're a dumbass and you're probably going to knock yourself out as soon as you fire it. So get one with a full stock and a full length barrel.

Get yourself some #4 buckshot shells, that'll give you the most versatility. It's good for home defense and adequate for medium game. You can branch out from there, but #4 is the first thing you should buy. It typically goes for about 60¢ per shell.

Buy in bulk. Get a couple hundred shotgun shells and a couple thousand rounds of .22LR. Should be about $150-200 for each, so you're well under $1,000 for both weapons and the ammo for them.

So… now that you're armed, let's try THE HABBENING again.

We're getting better.

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I don't think there's surveillance on the UK, they just come round and make sure you have somewhere to store it and to make sure you're not in the midst of an obvious breakdown. I remember one of the Dutch saying the government starts watching you though.

Semi-autos with plenty of slugs to hand and a magazine, Y/N? I figure it would be an acceptable replacement for an assault rifle when there are obvious drawbacks to not being combat trained with bolt actions. inb4 american sperging at "assault rifle"

jesus christ leftypol is retarded.. good luck out there sperglords

sounds great

Semiauto shotguns are pretty much meme guns. They can put down a lot of lead, but unless you're Arnold Schwartzeneggar in his prime you're not going to be able to fire it faster than a pump shotgun and still control where it goes.

Also, the semiauto mechanism makes it a hell of a lot less reliable than a pumpshot.

Go post in a thread where you have something to add then, nobody gives a shit whether you have a gun or not and for whatever reason.

Damn, I was thinking I was a smart guy getting a semi-auto with slugs in it. Would a semi-auto .22LR suffice? There are going to be a few people with hunting rifles running around that will be out of reach.

I think you're asking about more militia type shit. I'll get to that at some point, but I'm not there yet.

I like this thread

you want other options?
>make your own (it's possible but not recomended) youtu.be/qpYDNM8Z1Vo

I think just buying a legal weapon and jumping trough the hoops is the least hassle.

This. Plus, this thread is about surviving once the rule of law collapses. So keep your nose clean before then and you can be armed when you need it.

lel so much for soldarity

willingly being a cuck to authority should be a massive mental and spiritual hassle to anyone with an ounce of self-respect. but feel free continue telling yourself "it's not so bad" while having your actions dictated by others. the massa sho am nice

Netherlands

good job Holla Forums, sure showed us

All you're doing is shitting up the thread, you're so cucked by the idea of an omnipotent government that you can't imagine how awry things will get when food stops being imported and the major cities are rioting, and you're stuck in your small town and the lumpens are trying to get into the local armoury while you're worrying about getting a slap on the wrist for firing off your legal shotgun that you had to jump through a few hoops to get.

One more note on food, you're going to need to know how to optimize what perishable goods you've got when the power is out. This goes for both natural disasters (hurricane, tornado, etc.) and manmade disasters (terrorist attack on infrastructure, revolution, etc.)

First thing to do is very quickly get a sense of what you've got in the fridge. You want to do it quickly so as not to let the cool air out, and you want to have all your neighbors do the same.

Then it's fucking BBQ time. It may seem odd feasting after a disaster, but trust me - it serves two purposes.

The first and most obvious is that it stops all that shit from rotting in your house. The second is that it gives everyone a chance to get together and have a good time, lifts everyone's morale, and preps them for the idea of communal resources during the emergency.

First things you need to use are raw meat and unprocessed dairy. Day 1's food is going to be as much of that as possible. So have everyone get together, fire up the grills, and get cooking. While a few people cook, everyone else works on whatever the most critical tasks are, like boarding up someone's busted windows or removing a fallen tree from the road. At the end of the day, everyone eats together.

Day 2's food is going to be leftovers of day 1 if you've got them.

Day 3 is everything else in the fridge - cheese, butter, processed meats like sausages, vegetables, etc. Same thing as day 1, community meal.

Day 4 is when you open the freezer. The items in the freezer are generally pretty good at keeping each other frozen, so by day 4 you'll have a mixture of some things that are thawed and some that are still bricks. Start with the obvious and cook all the thawed shit first.

Day 5 is leftovers of day 4.

Day 6 is another communal meal of thawed shit from the freezer. Repeat this cycle until everyone's freezer is empty.

Then and only then do you bust out the canned goods. If you do it right, you should be able to add a week to everyone's food supply just by using everything before it rots.

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Do a Schengen run.

Hey, if he wants to be a /noguns/ that's fine. At the very least, he can learn from the rest of it and still be in better shape for natural disasters. This is /LeftyPrep/ not /leftyk/.

Just ignore it, it's Holla Forums.
The tough of leftists with guns has him sacred. Good job OP.

Thanks. But guns are worthless if the person behind them is starving, thirsty, or sick. That's why I didn't start with them and why I'm not dwelling on them too much - /leftyk/ is a thing for a reason.

"stop pointing out our flawed views!"
says the one making apologetics for state tyranny
yes i'm sure the security apparatus will just let people try to acquire guns. it's not like they try to control guns or anything
you mean when the police show up and confiscate any private arms because they can't stand the idea of anyone being able to resist them?

yes that's exactly what i said. idiot. what i want is to be able to buy and own guns without having to ask permission from the state's thugs and continually justify myself to their satisfaction

Rolled 6 (1d6)The Zastava M92 is one of the best guns you can get. It's small, so it has a lot of portability, but it packs an incredible punch. It's an extremely accurate, sturdy, well made weapon. It also looks so cool and it even shoots a fireball out of the muzzle with every shot fired (although the fireball can be suppressed if you find it distracting).

youtube.com/watch?v=cAN1446qpKM
why can't we embed video?

7.62x39 for US and NATO areas? Uh how about no

You are a fucking moron, I bet you quite literally can't imagine your life getting any worse right now under collapse. The scenario we are describing is one where the security apparatus has lost complete control of society - they can't stop people throwing petrol bombs at embassies in the capital, or storming police stations in bumpkin towns. You'll be one of the first to be chewed out by the new order of things because you sound like a total fuckwit who would wait for the state to come be your savior, hiding under your staircase with a gas stove, two tins of beans and a steak knife.

what's so bad about that?

Pretty sure the US is flush with every type of ammo. If you have a few hundred rounds of 7.62 and you're not acquiring any more using them you're doing something wrong.

are you fucking retarded or just making things up in your head and replying to them?

stop replying to me you dolt

The problem is acquiring more of it after collapse. No one makes that round in the US whereas if you are using US and NATO rounds such as 5.56 additional ammo would be very easy to come by because that is what the police and military are using in the area

None of us are in any position to change the gun laws you stupid twat. Get it through your thick skull.

???

then at least stop expressing tolerance and apologising for them, and shitting on me because i won't join you in your cuckoldry to the state

anyway i'm going now. enjoy your "ak rated e for everyone (unless you won't obey the state)" bullshit thread

Are you in a constant state of confusion and bewilderment? "Prepping" as in, "Prepping for the world to go to absolute shit" does not include time for lobbying your local representative to begin the arduous process of attempting to loosen up gun laws. Everyone probably shares your view on it, they just had the good sense not to shit up the thread being outraged at restrictions on their liberties.

You should have gone before your first reply, you have literally fuck all to say on anything here besides bitching and moaning.

Great thread OP though you did leave out one very important thing (though you probably choose not to add it because it is so obvious.)

ORGANIZE! Having a group of like minded people who you have a history of collaborating, voting, and discussing with is hugely useful in a collapse/revolution situation. This is why puritanism and ultra-leftism are so cancerous. Even something like a local DSA chapter or an anarchist squat can provide the framework for building a mass movement and supporting each other when things go to shit.

P.S. I'm a huge hypocrite because I don't do IRL organizing. Anyone have any suggestions for who to organize with in Canada?

-owning a gun on the premises of the state
is not more "cucked" than
-not owning a gun because the state won't let you get one.

You could join Action Front it's not exactly what you are asking for but it does involve IRL actions

On the how to organize. A local group (new age sect) in my city (not in Canada) has a pretty good set-up I've been thinking could work.
They have a small apartment in the city, and at the same time rent a farm on the outskirts of town. That way they all have their own "me"space at the farm and have an apartment where they can sleep if they need anything from civilization. And since they all chip in on the rent, it gets really affordable compared to one person doing something similar. I don't think any of them have jobs.
That particular group is has a kind of manson-family feel to it, so I'm staying the fuck away from it. But if you can find some non-insane canadians, it seems like a good way to do a bit of lifestyleism.

Real estate is unfortunately extremely expensive in urban Canada so I don't think I'll be buying any property in the near future. That's a neat idea though.

Now, for those who don't live in a commie block, let's talk about the means of production for food. It's unfortunate, but you need land.

The easiest thing to figure out is a nearby wilderness area that you can access. Avoid the temptation to go for big game immediately, it takes a lot of work to put it to good use and you don't want to let meat go to waste after you take an animal.

Start small and work your way up. That'll get you used to killing, cleaning, butchering, and cooking animals - the skills are the same regardless of size - so that you'll be good at it by the time you get to boar, deer, and bear.

So you'll start off with that 10/22 I talked about earlier. In my part of the US you're looking at squirrel, gopher, rabbit, groundhog, raccoon, possum, and fox. In a survival situation I'd even go for the occasional feral cat with it, but that's the biggest you'll want to go with that rifle.

Bagging a few bits of small game every week will keep you alive and help you stretch your bulk and canned goods quite a bit. If you're eating a lot of rabbit, make sure you eat some of those canned goods with a decent fat content too. Rabbit is lean enough that you'll die if that's the only thing you eat.

Once you're used to dressing and butchering your kills, then you can bring out the shotgun and go for something a little larger.

It's important to not use the wrong weapon for your game. If you have a 10/22 on you and you see a deer - tough shit, let it go. That 10/22 is just going to injure it, it'll run away, and it'll die in a ditch three weeks later and be food for the vultures. Likewise, if you see a fox and you have your shotgun, let it go. The shotgun will obliterate the fox and you'll end up with pink mist that doesn't do anybody any good.

Vegetables and grains are the next hardest thing to produce, so they're going to be in the next post.

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you are so retarded. You realise it almost impossible to get a license for anything but a 22 or a shotgun. Even then it is almost impossible to get those, you have to have an actual work related reason to have it that you can prove.

yeah, I don't think buying anything is a good idea anyway, unless you know and trust the people, and even then.
But renting a shitty place in the city and a farm outside town. Split all rent 6 ways, grow some food on the farm, have some chickens. perhaps sell drugs from the city apartment
I think I'm going to try it. Just need to find some good people to make a commune with.

Side note, I recommended a 22 and a shotgun, so the vast majority of this works for UK residents. In fact, 22LR and shotgun are legal almost everywhere in the world, so it'll work for just about anywhere. There may be exceptions, but no guide will work for literally every situation.

You can't get a rifle for sport or hunting?

and to get a 22 or a shotgun you have to have a work related reason to have it (very strict) and undergo extensive background checks, keep it locked in a box at all times you aren't working, and this will be checked once a month by an inspector

in the UK? Are you sure about this?
..I'm not English but it sounds wrong. Are you sure there aren't local gun clubs you can join and get a license?

Facist!

For vegetables and gran, you'll need a minimum of a quarter acre (.1 hectare) per person. Warmer climate means you need less land because of a longer growing season. Colder climate means you need more. This rule of thumb applies for US Zone 6 or 7 (pic related). Novice gardeners will want more space because their land usage will be suboptimal.

Other parts of the world have their own plant hardiness maps, so I'd recommend looking that up if you're not in burgerstan.

The good part about this is that, just like the bulk goods and canned goods, you can put this into practice right now in limited quantity to add variety to your diet and have a crop ready to go more quickly in an emergency.

The bad part of this is that it takes a minimum of six weeks to get a result, and if disaster strikes in the winter you have to wait until the seasons change then six more weeks. That's why the large food stock from the earlier posts is so important - you need to last until your food comes up.

You'll need some basic tools - a hoe and a trowel at minimum. Cheap trowels can be had for less than $10, cheap hoes for less than $20. But if you have the means to get higher quality tools then do so. Look for forged metal, not stamped sheet metal. Fiberglass handles are pretty good, hardwood handles are better IMO, but that comes out to personal preference. The price can get significantly higher, but you're not going to go above $100 for the pair and you'll never have to worry about them breaking.

You can get seeds from any old hardware store, but there's a chance you'll end up with some of the Monsanto shit that's genetically modified to only produce one generation. Obviously not ideal for a survival situation. Buy organic seeds to guarantee that won't happen.

Also, grow some beans. Whether you like them or not, it's important for soil health. A lot of crops take tons of nitrogen from the soil, but beans take nitrogen from the air, so composted bean stalks will add that nitrogen back to the soil to keep everything else growing for years.

He's just repeating propaganda, ignore him until he can source it.

In case Holla Forums gets salty IRL over this Trump betrayal and starts THE HABBENING, here's what you need to know.

SOME SUPER BASIC SHIT - most of you know this, but some /noguns/ types might not.

This weapon will usually (90%) be chambered in 5.56mm NATO or .223 Remington. The 5.56 chamber can handle both. The .223 chamber should not be used to fire a 5.56 except in an emergency - it's not designed to handle that kind of pressure.

When you pick up the weapon, the first thing you should do (unless someone's actively shooting at you) is clear it.

On the right side, about 2-3 inches higher and forward of the trigger is a little button about half the size of a dime. That's your magazine release. Press that firmly and the magazine should fall out - give it a little tug if it doesn't. Shouldn't take much more than gravity.

Find the little button on the left and side and hold the smallest part of it in with your thumb. This is the bolt catch.

There's a little T-shaped thing at the top rear called the charging handle. Pull that to the rear while holding the bolt catch, and the bolt will lock to the rear.

Then flip it back to the right side and look inside the chamber. If you see nothing but black, it's good - the weapon is safe. If you see a round in there, like in pic 3, it probably has a bad extractor and you should let someone more experienced handle that. But that's very rare.

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If you've cleared the rilfe and put it on safe, then it's what's called

This is the safest condition for the rifle, used for any time you don't have an immediate expectation of contact with the enemy.

To bring the weapon to
you need to load it. That's easy. Take a loaded magazine, and put it open-end-up into the only hole big enough for it to fit. Press firmly until you feel it click into place. Doesn't hurt to give it a little upward smack with the palm of your hand to make sure.

Doesn't apply to this weapon.

This is when you're ready to fucking go. To go from condition 3 to condition 1, you pull the charging handle all the way to the rear and release it. Easy as that. You now have a round in the chamber.

If you need to fire that round, you line up the front sight post on top of the target, and put them both in the center of the rear sight aperture. It'll look like pics related.

Then you flip the safety with your right thumb (or do some fucking voodoo that I don't understand if you shoot lefty) and off you go.

You're not going to be good with it the first time you pick one up, but you now know enough to make it go bang when you need it to without blasting your comrades to shit by accident.

Anybody else /prep/?

You'd think at least the accelerationists would do it since they're all about the state collapsing. Or the Hoxhaists. Because… You know… Bunkers.

Why hasn't this pic been posted yet?

Because that guy was a LARPing retard who wanted everyone to wear slate grey wool uniforms from Warsaw Pact surplus while starving to death.

But this thread covers the "starving to death" part well, I only post that pic because it's quite complete with respect to guns.

… Fair. I might have to make a non-LARPy version of that pic at some point.

screencap for posterity

Hnnnnnnnnnngggggggg

Well like most UK laws (or just laws in general) it's vague and full of exceptions and so on so I can't blame someone for being confused. As far as I can tell you need to justify that you have a valid reason to use the gun (even if you're not actually panning to, just having a reason is good enough) such as target shooting or hunting, and then you get a licence that sets out what guns you're allowed to own, how much ammunition you can have, how you have to store it, and so on.
It's not terrible but restrictive enough that not many people bother. As a result there aren't a whole lot of gun clubs around besides ones full of well-off landowners who like to hunt endangered birds and the like.

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Oh, I didn't realize you'd already posted it. Sorry.

Nice

Yo, any Maine/New England anons here?

What do you boys got for guns.

Hunting and sport is a really hand-wavey reason. I imagine the real concern is your postcode.

Too poor for guns.

That's usually how these kinds of vague laws tend to be applied, true. A well presented labour aristocracy man in a nice 5 bedroom house with his family is going to have an easier time with the inspector than Kyle who lives over his post office.

I'd like to think it leans more towards "not sink estates" than "for your lordship and the protection of the manor" - though if you get the inspector there you've probably got it in the bag if you're polite and offer him a brew.

Well of course guns for self-defence are illegal. But in my experience the police are classist as fuck so if you look "respectable" enough they won't really care.

bump.

Yep. Gotta keep this above all the anchors.

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BUNP

I have a sketchy right-wing milsurp/survivalist store near me.

I've read that most "preppers" tend to look for stuff at yard sales/flea markets though

Flea markets can be a good waste of a lazy saturday, there is usually a whole lot of shit people are trying to sale.

That's a lot of work, would be nice if we could just keep sitting on armchairs and shame porky into oblivion instead.

someone should archive this thread

Someone already got screenshots.