Marx's theory is essentially that the working class will be motivated by material want to kill the burgoise

Marx's theory is essentially that the working class will be motivated by material want to kill the burgoise.

After the french revolution and throughout the 1800s, lack of food did cause these type of recolutions to occur. Since marx was writing in the late 1800s, he would have seen this as evidence that it woudl continue to occur.

However, there is no longer a material motivation for marxism in the west. Even the poorest live in luxurious abundant comfort compared to people historically and globally. Any attempt to upend the current system would entail a large degree of danger with no concievable reward, as the revolutionary's level of material wealth and ease of living would likely decrease in the aftermath.

Essentially: big macs, tv, emasculization, air conditioning, welfare all things that make life soft and easy are subsidized in some form by the govt to keep people compliant and materially satisfied.

There are nknmaterial motives to drive other revolutionaries: race and nature drive nazis, culture and aversion to nihilsm drivr neoreactionaries. But there is no material want to drive marxists.

Why does Holla Forums think that marxism could ever gain traction incthe modern world?

When did the Roo turn into a nazi?

t. porky

1 Corinthians 1:27
But God chose the foolish things of the world to shame the wise; God chose the weak things of the world to shame the strong.

0/10, will be contributing to the white-genocide now.

But, in all seriousness, I'll bite.
Yes, and your point is? This luxury won't last forever, because this is the very nature of capitalism. The capitalists will concede enough to keep the worker's complacent, even if this means bringing about a basic/minimum income. Minimum wage was won through letter bombing bosses, not protesting in the street.
If you believe everybody in the west is content with having to live under the dictatorship of capital and listening to autistic screeching about "muh culture", you've got a lot to learn.

Only god has things that last forever

why don't we do this anymore?


stop posting

There is no thing that humans can do that will last forever

but they think they do. that makes them afraid to lose what they think they have, which makes them oppose change

Well they're clearly not. But what makes you think the masses will choose socialism/communism over UBI and free shit?

working class wins are the saviour of capitalism. This is part of a theory of the state Marx didn't fully develop, but began to write when he said the state works for the affairs of the whole bourgeoisie.

Workers learned that they could make reforms within capitalism + these reforms were able to solve the crises of overproduction. ie social democracy saved capitalism. Without these things capitalists would compete too voraciously and cause the revolution by degrading life too severely.

A material condition that exists to see enact revolution might be wanting a world that isn't just 'hyperreal' or 'fake' or 'objectified/commodity fetishist social relationships'

Because the only thing that saved the west from a revolution in the 30s was Keynesianism and the postwar boom. That prosperity has been systematically dismantled by neoliberalism. Either the west will have to reinstate it and dismantle globalism or be overthrown in a revolution like what should have happened during the depression. If there's another crash within the next few years it might all be ogre.

doesn't say this or implies this anywhere. dumb Holla Forumsyp

You seem to confuse wanting to free yourself from the chains of capitalism, with enslaving capitalists and letting them work for the proletariat in a role reversal under the same system.

Either way, material conditions bring forth the need to revolt. You are correct that our current material conditions have led us to population unripe for revolution. What you mistake is how we got here, and the assumption that we can uphold this state of welfare. The first world cannot longer exist without the third world, while this was possible before, this is no longer the case. And globalization has pushed us to the brink or this reality. The dialect will be set in motion once capitalism under liberals or fascists no longer holds. Until then enjoy your alienation and trinkets.

NOPE

The people producing the raw materials and manning sweatshops in the third world live a life as awful as that of a prole in Marx's time, and needless to say, those raw materials and labor are absolutely essential for modern capitalism to keep on rolling.

even a life of material abundance under capitalism is banal

You sound like a third worldist.

These tbqh

Marx's theories are all based on class based idpol

It doesn't work like this, faggot.

It's not about having to eat.
It's about having to worry about having to eat.

The switch to racial and gender politics over class politics was due to the general indifference of the working class as a whole to embrace the more extreme variants of leftism, and in fact many workers became more politically rightwing in at least some respects than other segments of the population.

I have looked for years for a really good discussion of this topic. Basically all you see are parts of articles and paragraphs in books.

And there I though it was because Neoliberal BS propaganda!

Hmm…

Who would have thought!

Not just Marx, almost all 19th and 20th century political philosophy fails to deal with any issue outside of scarcity and distribution.

A 21st century political philosophy has to come to terms with post-scarcity first in order to be relevant but sadly very little progress is being made. Peter Sloterdijk took the time to point out the problem but most other theorists trying to confront the issue are either braindead 'engineers should run everything' types or techno-utopians.

It's all very dispiriting.