What is your definition of "fascism" and "a fascist"?

Dedication to the state, usually violently suppressing critics.

Oh, and hard communist nations tend to be facists, as opposed to softer socialist nations.

nigga wut

This is pretty much the definition OP.

hot take from based NazBol poster

What the hell is up with the eastern front in that map? The Germans never got that far.

worldfuturefund.org/wffmaster/Reading/Germany/mussolini.htm
Read dis

Do you understand the difference between communism and socialism, retard?
Communism is a farther applied socialism, with most resources being shared around the population, the people.
Stalin, Lenin, Ilyich Brezhnev, Pol pot all led were all dictators and facists.
You can't say the same for the simply "socialists" ones.

Mussolini called it a perpetual state of war which would never come to an end.
War for wars sake.

siege rule, an open air prison

found the anarkiddy

Where did I mention anarchism? It's also retarded.
I didn't call socialism facist, mostly communist ones.

poor finland never had any choice

A regime of the most reactionary degree as a response to capitalist crisis, insistent of purging society of indesirables to return to a golden age from the past..

Makes him sound like some pseudonym for an early 2000 flash animator.

I think the universal criteria of fascism is that it can be understood as a conservative revolution longing to return to traditional times in which the ills and woes of society are understood to be a monocausal corruption, with this cause usually being concentrated in a largely fabricated image of a minority group.

saved

Nationalistic, class-cooperatist, reactionary, (right-wing) populist, absolutely paranoid against the gommies/jews controlling everything, kind of people.

If someone meets all of those, they're a fascist.
If they meet many they are quasi-fascists.
Meet just a few, you're just a reactionary (you'll be going to gulag anyways, so don't worry :^) )

pure capitalism

A Ideology that involves corporationism not the lel maconalds and mega international corporations kind but in its original meaning
nationalism and rejection of rotten French revolution ideas
A person who supports fascist system

t. actual fascist

Militarist regime that endorse Not Socialism ruled by a dictator and by state corporations that represses the population and force them to an affiliation to a singleparty and to pre established social classes.

as for nazism

The same but with the white race that wants the other races to work for them.

The only thing that makes Americans not fascists is that they are too individualistic.

Im gonna need some source on that

Secondly War not always means war between countries or some kind of armed conflict but can mean inner war, war with your weaknesses, war with societal problems like poverty, corruption war for eradication of illiterateness etc…

You are retarded, have you read any fascist publication ever? Fascism is anti capitalist and anti communist by its inherent nature

You're not a fascist. You're a faggot, see pic:

Anti-communist? Absolutely. Anti-capitalist? Nah lmao.

Fascism is anti-capitalist only in rhetoric, in practice it is corporatism to some degree mixed with state capitalist control of the economy.

I like Robert Paxtons, if a little long winded.

Nah you are the faggot
Do your research faggot

I've done my research and posted it accordingly. The only thing you've offered us is hot air. Low energy. Sad!

This pic is such a bullshit i mean the upper left corner map, first of all Ireland was neutral during ww2 and when germans were reaching Caucasus crimea was largely under their control already

What do you want me to do?

Copy paste to books about fascist ideology? articles?
Maybe i should fucking paste whole manifestos here to fucking educate you?

Concretely explain how fascism is not capitalism and explain why the few examples of actually existing fascism we had were anything but capitalism, going as far as one of them coining the term "privatisation".

Start with stating differences between Nazis and Fascists.

short, to the point, accurate..
not bad, kid, not bad at all.

Quadragesimo anno, en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falangism#National_Syndicalist_economics
Salazar Portugal was capitalistic?
Iron Guard Romania was capitalistic?
Fascist Italy was capitalistic?
What does privatization have to do with capitalism?
Communes or corporations dont have to be capitalistic

Fist of all you have to look at it quite individually there are no two identical fascism in two different countries, the historical background and the context of the country shapes the ideology,
But to cut it in short Nazi = race, "land" based nationalism eg. its a german land because germany owned this land at one point of history cartel based economy, strong government presence in people everyday lives, again we are looking at 1933-1943 germany here
Fascism = nation over race, "blood" based nationalism eg. everywhere where Italians live there is Italy corporation based economy

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I really hope that Holla Forums will grow up one day from spaming same old pics and graphs that add nothing to discussion and have 0 substance

All syndicalism is a different term for trade unionism. It does not alter the base of the capitalist mode of production whatsoever. The US is not socialist because it has the AFL-CIO. You're several retarded.
Yes. Yes. Yes.
Privatisation: the transfer of a business, industry, or service from public (state-owned) to private (particular, usually firm-based) ownership and control. Hitler's Germany coined that term. Privatisation is today the basis of our late neoliberal capitalism. Read the document I posted here: and inspect the image.
Communes, no. Corporations, yes. You have a babby-tier definition of capitalism. Capitalism is defined as private ownership of the means of production; it doesn't matter whether this private ownership comes in the form of an Ltd, the State, a cooperative or a syndicate/trade union: any instance in which free access to the means of production is limited constitutes private property, which constitutes capitalism. You reproduce commodities as an automated subject following a law of value.

Do as my flag suggests, you pitiful illiterate.

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The only two fascists on that list are Mussolini and Hitler. The rest are authoritarians of various flavours

Thats not the full definition
Private ownership =/= capitalism
Private ownership is a part of capitalism, but not its entirety, private ownership does not automatically create capitalist system

Nigger im a student of political science, I've read more books about those topics and especially fascism that you have seen in your life

Well fuck you then, I perfectly summed up fascism as an economic system, spooks like nationalism have nothing to do with it.

Trotsky has the best definition.

Wrong. That's Marxism Leninism.

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Whats the source on this one?

If Jacob Schiff is a proletariat then I'm guessing you communists aren't actually for workers.

In your people's definition capitalist or bourgeois is just code for western powers and proletariat is the non Christian non white people who fight them.

Why do you think you retards slipped so easily into Third Worldism?

marxists.org/archive/trotsky/works/1944/1944-fas.htm#p1

economic is a spook

ebin

The mass movement of the petite bourgeois

It is, money is a social construct

Fascism is an ultra-nationalistic, militaristic, right-wing movement seeking to build a society based on spooks traditional values and the merger of state and corporate power.

I didn't know fascists wanted to reinstate aristocracy.

Golly that sounds awfully familiar.

In few words, Fascism is a system which divides the people in corporations, each of which work with other corporations to further the interests of its members and society in general. Mussolini wasn't fair in how he divided power between the corporations, but the idea itself is pretty good.

People confuse this all the time, but a corporation in the context of Fascism doesn't means a company with owners and employees. It's a group of people, who may be part of a company or not. It's similar to a union, but with political power other than striking. Some corporations weren't even related the work, like the one for great men, which was made of war heroes and geniuses.

lmao lolololol

Then you didnt read any fascist ideologues like Evola for example
But not really reinstate, more like uphold as in 1920 italy aristocracy was still relevant and alive

Whoa rly makes u think

How does ultra-nationalism differ from normal nationalism?

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This nigga gets it

It hurts me how the term "corporationism" was bastardized and lost it original meaning

All of you need to read "doctrine of fascism".

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woah rly makes u think

Prussian Socialism by Oswald Spengler is better.
Just read through the wiki and you'll get the gist of early Not Socialist thought.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preussentum_und_Sozialismus

has the word ultra in front of it, redart

WAR = SOCIALISM GUIZ

holy shit check out this 🍀🍀🍀great thinker🍀🍀🍀

Its the jews stupid!

You mean the war that never happened where they ended up on the same side when China and Soviet Russia funded and trained Zimbabwe communist partisans and the supposed "west" turned their back on South Africa and Rhodesia? Yeah they were definitely on opposite ends :^)

Cold War was bullshit posturing and does not amount to collusion on the scale of WW2 on the behest of the global capitalists.

This must be a false flag
I refuse to believe that Holla Forums have people so retarded among themselves

You mean the war that never happened where they ended up on the same side when the US funded a coup in Chile to overthrow the democratically elected socialist leader Allende and the supposed "USSR" turned their back on Chile? Yeah they were definitely on opposite ends :^)

Your reasoning is retarded. Just because the West and USSR didn't bother to fight in every single scenario where it was possible doesn't mean they weren't enemies.

That's what I thought. You've got nothing.

The communists were always in the pocket of the globalist big money people. The moment they had Israel they let the Soviet Union collapse.

Now thats a bargain

Also the war couldn't have happened because THEY BOTH HAD NUKES. Christ let's just ignore technological advancement that prevents conventional warfare on enemy homeland soil amirite?

imo ultra-nationalism starts when you consider yourself a dispensable, living part of your "nation" first, and a human being second. Or thinking that you're entitled to something at the expense of other people by virtue of your nationality.

At no point in that entire quote does he say something with any iota of meaning or coherence. Why is materialism inherently bad? What in the fuck is "essential?"

Sphere of influence nigger, basic geopolitics, to avoid conflict USSR and USA agreed to split world in two parts, why do you think that USA chimped out so much when USSR went to Afghanistan?
Because it violated the rules of bipolar world

Where could I learn more about corporatism in Italian Fascism?

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Explain why rich Jews like George Soros helped fund anti-communist dissidents then.

newstatesman.com/economics/economics/2014/04/ns-profile-george-soros

You're still ignoring how the revolution was funded from Wall Street, mass industrialization with Fords help, Jacob Schiff being considered "proletariat," the entirety of WW2.

Why did the Anglo global capitalists feel less threatened by Russia than by the Nazis ? If they were in cahoots, it doesn't make sense.

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Yoga Spiritualism
Because it divides your attention from what is essential

Because he is anti communist? Because some jews really dont like communism?

Well it makes sense if you have actual knowledge about history and geopolitics at that time

A political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition.

Therefore generally left leaning as it tries to equalize everyone socially.

You DO realize the author of the book you're citing (or implying to cite anyways) also condemned the Nazi movement as a puppet of Wall Street? So this guy condemns everyone and everything.

Penetrating a cloak of falsehood, deception, and duplicity, Professor Sutton reveals one of the most remarkable and under-reported facts of World War II―that key Wall Street banks and American businesses supported Hitler’s rise to power by financing and trading with Nazi Germany. Carefully tracing this closely guarded secret through original documents and eyewitness accounts, Sutton comes to the unsavory conclusion that the catastrophe of World War II was extremely profitable for a select group of financial insiders. He presents a thoroughly documented account of the role played by J.P. Morgan, T.W. Lamont, the Rockefeller interests, General Electric, Standard Oil, and the National City, Chase, and Manhattan banks, Kuhn, Loeb and Company, General Motors, Ford Motor Company, and scores of others in helping to prepare the bloodiest, most destructive war in history.

amazon.com/Wall-Street-Hitler-Antony-Sutton/dp/0945001533

It makes sense when you know that Soviet Union was in their pocket already but the NSDAP controlled Germany was not.

lmao

Hello mr. libertarian
I dont know if you got the memo but fascism is anti egalitarian at its very core

His evidence of the Soviets being paid for by Wallstreet was a lot more substantial than the Nazi one.

His evidence for Nazis being controlled by Wall Street: "HURR the allies decided to bomb civilians instead of factories therefore the war is meaningless and the Nazis are totally Wall Street stooges !"

I dont know if thats some extreme coping mechanism provoked by the lack of historical knowledge or just simple stupidity

But its very convenient to explain complicated international relationships with just "Wall street banker elite had everyone in their pocket and controlled everyone"

:)

I've actually read the sources. Nice try though

Then if you were being intellectually honest you would accept that his idea for the Soviets being controlled by Wall Street is equally retarded. "HURR the Americans didn't want a competitor on the world market so they gave Russia a shitty regime they could exploit so they wouldn't have to compete against a strong free laissez faire Russia"

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Take this words back at once, he was a great man, he would never do such disgusting thing as working wit British

until jesus comes down from heaven and starts doing the whole feeding multitudes with a single fish again I think I'm gonna be more concerned with where my next meal is coming from than your bourgeois spirit quest

Lmaoing at your life

A meaningless turn that only dumbs down discourse. I don't use it.

A good fascist is a dead fascist.

Wow rude
So much for the tolerant left huh?

Sounds about right

Of those only Mussolini was a fascist. Hitler was Nazi, Khomeini was a Nazbol and the rest were cuckservatives

this meme's death is long overdue.
t. fascist

Whoa