For disabled people, both physically and mentally, wouldn't social democracy be much better for them than communism?
For disabled people, both physically and mentally, wouldn't social democracy be much better for them than communism?
Noah Diaz
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Jace Torres
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Brody Hernandez
Would a welfare state within capitalism be better than providing for all according to the maxim "from each according to their ability, to each according to their need"?
No.
Kevin Turner
why would you think so?
Btw. I work with mentally disabled people and live in a scandinavian social democracy.
Landon Perez
For a disabled person, it seems like receiving welfare and material aid would be a much better deal than owning the means of production
Oliver Thompson
Agreed. But communists don't mean that every worker should own an equal share in the bakery they work in. They think the working class as a whole should own the means of production, and distribute the necessary labor according to ability, and the fruits of labor to those that need it.
In either system the disabled person is dependent on the good will of the people.
Under a social democracy they get a good deal, yes, but they are also a weak group, and the politicians often try to cut in spending when austerity is needed. During the current immigration spending they tried several times to downscale the public services to the disabled, and it mostly goes under the medias radar because they aren't the weak person of the month.
Truth is, family is the most important factor. Having a guardian that makes sure the state gives you what you are owed, and don't fuck you over, makes all the difference. This of course takes a great toll on the parents, so divorce rates and depression goes trough the roof. I don't think that will change under communism.
Carson Fisher
you danced around the question and said nothing of value. (Nazi) 1-0 (idiot) sorry but its true. you guys are notoriously weak at giving solid arguments for how socialism would work
Juan Lopez
Danced around the subject? As I explained the premise was wrong. When communists say owning the means of production it does not mean the individual owns a share of the businesses they work in.
I then gave my two cents on how mentally disabled are treated in social democracy today.
Also how come the nazi gets one point for asking a question related to social democracy? I think you have a bias.
John Clark
He pretty clearly explained it.
Oliver Sanchez
the question is unanswerable, you have to change the parameters of the question to win. disabled people are better off under welfare capitalism. they're a burden and will not have a dedicated life line apparatus for them under socialism, especially communism. and considering communism is anti-family and anti-community it wouldn't help the "friends and family" factor at all. therefore socialism is ableist, therefore socialism is not necessarily about equality or for everyone. its about giving the majority a good chance at labor and being taken care of. that's it. its an ideology centered around work, its so protestant i actually just realized that it could be said to be a logical conclusion of protestant capitalism (in a way Marx was right about economic evolution). Nazi wins, you come off like a dipshit
Justin Wright
this is the dumbest shit I've read all day
consider suicide
Nicholas Howard
Only tenuously disabled but as a NEET autist who has to dance around the "and when your parents die?" question: Not at all.
Social democracy will always die. Porky will not allow it to exist, as 1975-2017 will attest.
The decaying ruins of a social-democratic welfare state exist only to provide kafkaesque cruelty to the starvation of the disabled.
Ridiculous nonsense.
The idea that social democracy actually provides a stable bedrock of care is completely illusory. Even if under socialism you relied entirely on the goodwill of other people, you would have much better chances of being provided for by such goodwill than the social democratic welfare state has of enduring the next round of politically motivated budget cuts.
David Brown
Nice attempt at subtlety, Holla Forumsyp. Still obvious. Try harder next time.
Damn, that really is "ableist" as fuck.
John Collins
lol nod an argument
Jackson Rivera
it is ableist, disabled have no ability, and massive needs. they're a burden on society and will produce nothing, they take labor hours and compensation away from more efficient workers and take up space and time that is needed for the collective to grow and become more efficient. they're not compatible with communism, but they are compatible with welfare capitalism. you just don't want to admit no one has thought of what will happen to all these disabled people, because you don't care. because, communism is a lifestyle not an ideology. its something for you to say you are, you never seriously intend to deal with the consequences of enacting it
Dylan Rodriguez
Damn, in 200 years of leftist though no one ever thought about retards. You really got our synapses firing on this one.
Aiden Clark
that's the bourgeois your talking about.
they certainly take up time, but they ideal of growth is a capitalistic one, we don't need to grow or produce more, in many ways we need to work less, that means more time to take care of those that need extra attention.
the rest is just autistic screeching.
Asher Harris
Absolutely laughable statement from someone pretending to whine about ableism.
(Particularly given the constant efforts to "help" disabled people by getting them into wage labour, including the recent laughable proposal to allow paying them below minimum wage.)
You did a great job ignoring
independent.co.uk
CAN YOU FEEL THE COMPATIBILITY
disabilitynewsservice.com
ARE YOU FEELING IT NOW MR KRABS?
Ian Ross
Noah Lewis
So what?
"From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs" still applies. Dummy.
Tyler Cruz
the UK isn't Soc Dem they're a mixed economy which skews towards markets. Sweden and Norway are Soc Dem. You're confused.
They have nothing but endless, expensive needs, with no reward for meetinng those needs. Sounds like a social parasite to me
Justin Flores
The UK is within the broad scope of social-democracy.
(If you want to get all "muh ===true=== social democracy", even Sweden abandoned it in the 80s and 90s. Some Swedish politician wrote a big thing about it, though I don't have the link to hand.)
Daniel Moore
Where do you think the word "communism" comes from, retard?
Bentley Robinson
plenty of disabled people are capable of doing some work, what they can't do is compete with non-disabled people in the job marked. Under a socialist state these people could possibly be given a much more dignified life.
And even those that are absolutely unable to work have value to those around them. The reduction of a human to only the product of it's labor diminishes us all.
Easton Parker
gulag with accessibility
Matthew Foster
Says much more about you than it does about communists.
Bentley Collins
Of course, how could I forget the part of Das Kapital where Marx wrote "Destroy the family structure and carve up the members"
It's in the name, 'COMMUNE-ism', COMMUNE = COMMUNE-ITY, christ you guys really are retarded
Wow you're a real prick huh? Now who's the ableist?
Easton Smith
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